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Miscellaneous Psychedelics fake beauty, fake love

It's not so much that I believe it's doing 'tricks' in my mind, it's that what it's doing is agonizing the receptors that would naturally make you feel the most deep feeling in the world. Not just the happy orgasmy/whatever feeling other drugs give, but real love. Isn't that wrong? (Understand I'm getting deep here, so don't take this too seriously.)
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In the spirit of playing Devil's Advocate: If you think any feeling you've ever had was brought upon by something other than agonized neuronal receptors, you might have to re-evaluate this value judgement.
 
Dude you sound depressed. I'd do some talk therapy, and if that doesn't work some high dose psilocybin trips. Start at seven grams and work from there. That will snap you right back to the primordial reality you are so obviously alienated from.
 
All of the emotions you feel when you are sober and even the "sober" perception of reality is neuro chemistry.
I had a difficult time opening up to people and was very shy before I tried MDMA for the first time. After that single use it helped me to understand love and empathy that has lasted many many years.
Have you ever considered that if you feeling that the love and beauty you experience on Psychedelics is fake or "dark" that this might be an aspect of your own subconscious bubbling forth during your trip? Psychedelics are very much known for doing this sort of thing.
Psychedelics are most certainly tools but you need to try to make sense of meaningful things that happen to you while tripping (both negative and positive things).
 
I relate to the OP in that eventually acid felt gimmicky, but maybe I was doing it too often, I dunno. I took high doses every time and eventually it felt old hat, like whatever consciousness training it was providing had petered out.

The last time I tripped it was epic, but there's no way I can ever replicate that experience and I have some grief about that.
 
MetanoiaMan said:
Dude you sound depressed. I'd do some talk therapy, and if that doesn't work some high dose psilocybin trips. Start at seven grams and work from there. That will snap you right back to the primordial reality you are so obviously alienated from.
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allthough I believe that you want to give helpful advice, I don't think it is very responsible to recommend taking 7g of mushrooms to somebody you know nothing about...
 
^Yeah shit man, I've had just 3gs blow me outa the water before. Unless you know how strong your mushrooms are you should never dive in at such a high dose.
 
2,5g of aborts (fucked up my grow^^) gave me a ++++ death experience some years ago. MetanoiaMan always does this it seems...
 
Have you ever considered that if you feeling that the love and beauty you experience on Psychedelics is fake or "dark" that this might be an aspect of your own subconscious bubbling forth during your trip? Psychedelics are very much known for doing this sort of thing.
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Yes, this might be exactly what is happening, but I can't tell if it's fooling me or not. To me it feels like a fake version of the real thing. I feel great, but after I feel bad about my life.

In the spirit of playing Devil's Advocate: If you think any feeling you've ever had was brought upon by something other than agonized neuronal receptors, you might have to re-evaluate this value judgement.
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YES, I KNOW THIS. My point is, is it a good idea to falsely introduce these feelings by taking a psychedelic.

This is actually quite perfect. I don't dislike the feelings of love and affection LSD gives me, I feel those things all the time although they aren't as powerful as when on LSD.
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Neither do I dislike those feelings, but should I force them to occur by taking something!?

No. The only circumstance where it *might* become unhealthy is if the continual achieving of that state made you unable to function in consensus reality. In short, no.
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Right, that makes sense. I think whether it's continual or not, it's still not healthy to artificially create those feelings.

BTW, yes I am depressed, so maybe I'm coming at this from a distorted point of view.
 
Whether or not psychedelics are a good idea or whether you should or shouldn't take them is entirely individual, but it sounds like you may find yourself not personally fit to be taking psychedelics right now.

Using fake as an adjective regarding subjective experience is meaningless.

Drug effects wearing off =/= drug effects were fake. Perception alterations and/or enhancements are a very real property of psychedelic drugs.
 
"Neither do I dislike those feelings, but should I force them to occur by taking something!?"

Maybe it's time for your acid test graduation. Learn how to generate those feelings without drugs, if that makes you feel better. Many have found meditation to be greatly valuable in this pursuit.

I, however, find the new perspectives that various psychedelics show me to be invaluable. LSD helped to bring me out of a decade of depression by allowing me to see the beauty and love that I had been blind to for so long.
 
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BTW, yes I am depressed, so maybe I'm coming at this from a distorted point of view.
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Okay, it's no wonder psychedelic drugs are giving you trouble if you're not in a healthy, positive mental state. You should stop using them while you're working on your depression. It makes a world of difference.
 
^ I disagree. I've taken psychedelics (psilocybin, in this case) while extremely depressed and it helped me a LOT. (like Vediog also said, it can be a great atypical antidepressant)

With psychedelics I think I get the most benefits after I've completely come off them. It's fun while I'm high too of course, but sometimes being high on psychedelic hallucinogens makes my body feel uncomfortable (mostly because of the stimulant effect they give). The days following a strong acid trip will see me put in a state of hypomania and unusually good moods, though. I've always been fascinated by that effect because I'm not sure why it occurs...I'm just glad that it does
 
New to the forum and am just gonna jump right in. I think beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Some of the most beautiful experiences/visions I've ever beheld have been under the influence of hallucinogens. None felt even remotely fake. They felt ephemeral and transitory, yes.....but intensely "real" to me nonetheless. Salvia, LSD, mushrooms have all offered their versions and all have been exquisite and unique. All have their personality and all were cherished exchanges :)
 
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^ I disagree. I've taken psychedelics (psilocybin, in this case) while extremely depressed and it helped me a LOT. (like Vediog also said, it can be a great atypical antidepressant)
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I don't question that this is your experience, but I don't think it's an experience shared by everyone. For full disclosure, I have also used recreational drugs to treat depression in myself (not classical psychedelics like psilocybin, but Cannabis, caffeine, amphetamine) to great effect. I agree that it CAN be useful, but there are a lot of variables to consider and there is very real potential for a psychedelic experience to make depression worse. Clearly it hasn't cured OP. Even if it's got a 50/50 chance of making the condition better/worse, that's a big risk for someone who's already depressed, and there are a few other things I would try first.
 
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Yeah, I felt the same way. I felt really set apart from the world when I tried mushrooms, and I also had that forced feeling. It almost felt like a normal state of mind except waaaaaaaaaay more so, too much so.
 
Clocktower said:
I don't question that this is your experience, but I don't think it's an experience shared by everyone. For full disclosure, I have also used recreational drugs to treat depression in myself (not classical psychedelics like psilocybin , but Cannabis, caffeine, amphetamine) to great effect. I agree that it CAN be useful, but there are a lot of variables to consider and there is very real potential for a psychedelic experience to make depression worse. Clearly it hasn't cured OP. Even if its got a 50/50 chance of making the condition better/worse, that's a big risk for someone who's already depressed, and there are a few other things I would try first.
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Agreed, I had a poor set for my first two trips and they left me moderately depressed for a couple weeks.
 
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