What happens after you die and should I be scared about it?

[swilow]

Maybe the creator who created everything in its own image (that you don't believe in) is the super consciousness that you do believe in, and we're all fragments of it.

Why does there even need to be any creator or super consciousness or anything directed about our universe? None of the matter we observe in the universe has required direct creative intervention. It is all arising through physical interaction of particles in an incomprehsnibly vast space over a vast period of time. We can see extant objects that literally do not need to be intentionally created, such as all the elements which are formed under specific physical conditions. Why not the universe too?

 

[belligerent drunk]

Why not the universe too?

Exactly. The multiverse... idea? (hard to call it a hypothesis even) deals with that pretty well in my opinion. It's not a perfect explanation, and it's hardly testable (which is, you know, required for a theory, unlike in religion), but in that sense it gets rid of god completely. And if you think about it, stating that even the origins of the Universe is "random" and not a product of intelligent creation, it goes well with what we know about the rest of the world. I mean, there is nothing, absolutely nothing, that suggests that anything in the world is controlled by a supreme being, or is not a simple product of simple laws of physics. So why should the creation of the universe be any different, you gotta ask?

 

[MajorBong]

Even if there's perfect science out there keeping things alive, current body of knowledge would dictate bad events are still a real possible occurrence. It is not currently completely dis-proven that everything could just explode all at once and have to be put back together.

Even if you can keep yourself alive with science, nature might just tear you apart at some point. Destructive natural phenomena are likely not a completely disprovable possibility.

 

[Nixiam]

I believe I have misunderstood. What's it to to do with what happens after you die, or if you should be scared?

 

[RDP89]

Bad shit happens when you die....you should be absolutely terrified. Just kidding. Honestly no one knows what happens, probably nothing. What's the point of being scared? Just a waste of energy.

 

[MajorBong]

I just mean even if there's science that makes wherever the real souls are immortal, it probably can't be completely proven that destructive natural phenomena can't occur. This means even if you're trying to be immortal you should just be constantly worried about something bad happening like the structure and computer systems that keep you alive all break apart from natural decay or something and you have to be put back together.

Due to scientific uncertainty in a future where everything is known, the official answer of what fate has in store for everyone is probably forever "technically unknown". The official answer of what happens after you die, would probably have to remain "unknown" on account of what happens into the future remaining unknown for sure. This uncertainty extends to fate prediction. There is likely no way to confirm that a fate prediction is 100% absolute truth.

I kind of don't believe in the 100% absolute truth being figured out. I think with some ideas the real truth is going to be too hard to find.

Whatever happens to anything should remain "unknown" as an idea.

 

[Nixiam]

Killing non physical, transcendential concious, immortal souls.
Death to immortality. Sounds like a speculative paradox, but neat to think about. If the universe were a computer, and souls were eternally sustainable, then say the computer breaks (enviornmental phenomenon), what happens to the souls? They were eternal right? So they had to transcend? But they can't exist outside the system right? Neat idea. That is what you more or less meant, right? Keep in mind nothing quite suggests souls exist besides the absence of an explainable concious.

 

[MajorBong]

That you can be immortal would likely remain theory in completed science. This theory can only be tested by trying to live forever.

 

[Nixiam]

Immortality a paradox in itself. If it is dependent on time, then if time collapses immortality falsifiable.

 

[Stuck_x]

I personally believe that our souls come back may times. Once you die & leave the earth plane you become spirit form, just you soul lives on. If you've not learned the lessons we are supposed to in life then you have to come back to learn them. I feel for me, the lesson of this life is addiction. Some people learn lifea leasons faster than other, so become enlightened sooner. Once enlightened we become higher beings and get to choose what we do, whether we want to come back again or become a spirit guide or something.

Believing theres no life after death is a oretty sad & scary thought. There's a brilliant book called many masters many lives wriiten by a hypnotherapist. A girl who had severe anxiety & a lot of phobias went to him seeking help. They did past life regression sessions & he recorded the sessions. Each of her phobias cam from a past life. For example she was terrified of water & in one of hwr lives she drowned. Its a really interesting read for anyone who's a spiritualist x

 

[swilow]

Believing theres no life after death is a oretty sad & scary thought.

Is it, though? I totally believe this is my one shot ever at life. I will never exist again, this is it, I cannot do this over- I'm going to have to make this improbable miracle of aware existence count. Instead of being scary, I think it can make our moments here more precious. Any mistakes I make, I must learn from in this life rather than think I have an indefinite period of time to rectify them. Or maybe, I should stop trying to rectify mistakes that aren't even important and just live my life in the most satisfying and meaningful way possible. There's no one keeping score, there is no sinlge, correct way to live, there is no judgment or condemnation, there is only you.

For me, believing that life is almost eternal devalues the present moment greatly. It trivialises it. This is not trivial or important, it is my life, the life that billions of years of evolution and growth and chance encounters has given me. I cannot right my wrongs, I can only move into the future determined to avoid repeating them but even if I do, it doesn't even matter. The only thing I need to do is be aware and try to understand what I can in this very brief and inconsequential yet deeply intense experience and leave this place slightly, minutely better than when I found it.

Or so I choose to believe...

 

[belligerent drunk]

^ my thoughts exactly.

That you can be immortal would likely remain theory in completed science. This theory can only be tested by trying to live forever.

I fail to see what science has to do with what you're talking about. Theory in science is the best thing you can get - it's an idea that has been thoroughly tested and verified. Like theory of gravity, theory of electromagnetism, theory of evolution and so on. Immortality, souls and whatnot however... These "ideas" are hardly testable and there's hardly anything suggesting their existence in the first place.

 

[Nixiam]

I doubt I will re attain the same awareness if self and the universe after I die, since I doubt I'll be concious after death, but it is fun to speculate where science hasn't yet described, i.e. afterlife.

^agreeing with BD on this one. If it isn't testable it isn't a theory. I forget who it was that was talking about the multiverse when he sai something like 'there is nothing wrong with science based, philosophical speculation'.

 

[belligerent drunk]

The beautiful thing about the multiverse hypothesis is that it's not just an idea that sounds cool and explains something. It's a part of a model, a testable model, which is able to make predictions. It is true that we cannot observe other universes, it just isn't possible. But if everything else in the model works and the predictions are correct, then it's likely that the multiverse idea is correct too.

 

[Nixiam]

Very, very intriguing.

 

[Stuck_x]

Is it, though? I totally believe this is my one shot ever at life. I will never exist again, this is it, I cannot do this over- I'm going to have to make this improbable miracle of aware existence count. Instead of being scary, I think it can make our moments here more precious. Any mistakes I make, I must learn from in this life rather than think I have an indefinite period of time to rectify them. Or maybe, I should stop trying to rectify mistakes that aren't even important and just live my life in the most satisfying and meaningful way possible. There's no one keeping score, there is no sinlge, correct way to live, there is no judgment or condemnation, there is only you.

For me, believing that life is almost eternal devalues the present moment greatly. It trivialises it. This is not trivial or important, it is my life, the life that billions of years of evolution and growth and chance encounters has given me. I cannot right my wrongs, I can only move into the future determined to avoid repeating them but even if I do, it doesn't even matter. The only thing I need to do is be aware and try to understand what I can in this very brief and inconsequential yet deeply intense experience and leave this place slightly, minutely better than when I found it.

Or so I choose to believe...

Yes IMO. When you lose somebody you love I think theres a huge comfort in feeling/thinking there is more to life that our mortal/human state. If you believe thats the end & they just decompose in the ground I personally don't understand how you accept the loss & manage to move on in life. I understand what you're saying about not living in the present & i see why you may feel that & i do think a lot of people 'wish their life away' but for me i think time on earth is a time to learn, to eveolve & gain knowledge.

Im not a huge believer in religion, i feel it was created to control the masses. But if i had to choose I would go with budhism. I have seen too many mediums who have explained people who have passed over too well to be a sceptic. Every persons life experience influences their opinions on life after death etc x

 

[Nixiam]

If you can't move on after the death of a loved one, you aren't human, nor are you fit to survive. We were built to be able to cope with each other. The loss of a loved one is by no means a reason to delude yourself any further than having the possibility of an afterlife. Only because we have to die to find out if conciousness transcends. Btw I am pretty spiritual myself, but I cannot claim for myself or follow any religion that says it has divine knowledge only it can know.

 

[belligerent drunk]

If you can't move on after the death of a loved one, you aren't human, nor are you fit to survive. We were built to be able to cope with each other. The loss of a loved one is by no means a reason to delude yourself any further than having the possibility of an afterlife. Only because we have to die to find out if conciousness transcends. Btw I am pretty spiritual myself, but I cannot claim for myself or follow any religion that says it has divine knowledge only it can know.

If you think about afterlife in the context of what religions claim about it, then it's safer to hope that there is no afterlife. Because the probability of the person going on to heaven or the equivalent is pretty slim. Think how many different religions there are (Christianity alone has some ~40k different, mutually exclusive denominations) - only one of them (or none of them) can be right. And then you have to also consider whether the person played by the rules of the "correct" religion, because if they didn't - no heaven for them! Eternal agony instead.

I know it's comforting to think that somebody who passed away is now in a better place, but when you consider the reality in a sober way, then you come to the realization that it just doesn't work like that. People don't go to heaven just so their relatives can feel better about themselves. There probably isn't heaven/hell/afterlife to begin with. It's just a construct of our imagination, a comforting lie.

 

[swilow]

Yes IMO. When you lose somebody you love I think theres a huge comfort in feeling/thinking there is more to life that our mortal/human state. If you believe thats the end & they just decompose in the ground I personally don't understand how you accept the loss & manage to move on in life.

Have you ever been to a funeral? It seems no one really believes they will be reunited with deceased loved ones after death.

You incorporate grief into your life. Not really ever recover but time dulls it. Death is terrible for the human aware mind in its ruthless implacability. I don't think wishful thinking and illusion is that useful. It just breaks down under examination.

Death is an integral part of life.

Im not a huge believer in religion, i feel it was created to control the masses. But if i had to choose I would go with budhism. I have seen too many mediums who have explained people who have passed over too well to be a sceptic. Every persons life experience influences their opinions on life after death etc x

Yeah, each to their own.

 

[Stuck_x]

The whole heaven & hell thing I'm not really a believer of TBH, I think most people punish themselves enough & also, for every mistake that is made, that person may have done 10 times more good deeds. Plus, morals & standards of individuals are different, so what one person might consider 'bad' another might not. Im not the most knowledgeable about religion, so i cant comment on their rules... The Ten Commandments maybe?

Yes i have been to a funeral, including my mothers & my 33 day old daughters. Yes its a sad day. Yes everyone cries. And yes, at that time you probably don't think you're going to see them people again. But the only thing that has gotten me through the last 4 months since losing my daughter, is my faith, going to see clairvoyants/mediums/psychics & finding out that my mom is looking after her. If that means im 'unfit to survive', then i guess im unfit.

Having a random stranger tell me my moms name, how she died, her age... Going on to tell me she has her granddaughter with her, explain the clothes my daughter wore for her cremation, explain where in my house i have pictures of them... Theres too much information for them to be hazarding a guess. At just turned 27, most people still have their moms in their lives, and most definitely their children...

Until we go ourselves I guess we'll never know, but in the meantime, I'd rather continue to see clairvoyants, meditate & develop any gifts i might have myself & look out for any possible signs that my daughter is still with me in spirit