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What happens after you die and should I be scared about it?

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Sigmond said:
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Was planning to delete that post once I returned to laptop. anyone use the microphone to reply ? ? If my nose wasn't so stuffed and I wasn't so tired I think it would've worked okay. ?????????????????????????????????
 
all religion is total bullshit.

When you die you lose conciousness, like youre sleeping with no dreams or anything forever. You get consumed by the earth and are no more. Thats the sad reality so live it to the max while youre alive

EXTREME! (if you get the reference then i tip my fedora to you sir)
 
supers0nic_high said:
like youre sleeping with no dreams or anything forever.
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I'm always curious how people can make claims about this subject with absolute certainty. Have YOU died before that you know it's going to be like that? Do you know what the subjective experience you're seeing every time you're awake is?

I'm a materialist and the biggest question for me is how to connect the "subjective experience" to the processes in the brain. I know it must be based on them, because I don't believe in the supernatural, but I still don't understand why there is something rather than nothing. I don't even know how to explain what I mean, but I guess the best analogy I can come up with right now is a computer. A computer functions just as well without a screen, everything that goes on in the hardware (aka brain) does not need the screen (the "subjective experience", aka the stuff you "see, feel etc"). I guess the question is: why do we "see, feel, think etc" rather than there being complete darkness and lack of anything?

The reason I'm confused by this is because it seems so arbitrary, whereas nature is anything but that - it's a spectrum of phenomena. For example, humans have this subjective experience (I'm a human, so I guess since I have it, others do too), but do other mammals have it? I assume they do, but then does a rock have it? If not, then where is the line and why is it so arbitrary?

So to say that there will just be darkness after death is unjustified, because that implies that the subjective experience goes on after death (because how otherwise would one experience the darkness?), but that in turn implies supernatural phenomena in the form of something that is a part of one's body, but is separate from its processes including death (it has to be, otherwise it would cease to exist upon death).

As such, I'm leaning towards the answer that "I don't know", because it could easily be something very complicated that the human mind is unable to understand at this point, like the way the quantum world works. But as far as I'm concerned, classical logic does not lead to any reasonable conclusion on this subject. Oh, and of course religion is bullshit.
 
Sigmond said:
Was planning to delete that post once I returned to laptop. anyone use the microphone to reply ? ? If my nose wasn't so stuffed and I wasn't so tired I think it would've worked okay. ?????????????????????????????????
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Ill delete my quote if want but I got a good laff out of it =D
 
Foreigner said:
I never said you are nothing/non-existent. I said you are empty.

You're mistaking what I'm saying for nihilism.
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see, there you go chasing your tail again with semantics. We are empty because nothing is in here. Where is here? You asked, "what exactly is living dying?" Its a very simple answer: My body is living and dying.

what exactly am I free from? I can do a bunch of shit or nothing at all, I still have to live with who I am and experience the consequences of my actions.
 
willow11 said:
I never said that . That is not my belief. I'm not going to argue about a point I didn't make. I've already explained why I think the argument is logical.

The rest of your questions are irrelevant. I don't know why you want to discuss my identity.
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How are you to establish if your "self" is completely annihilated or not if you haven't identified who your "self" is?
 
^Your question contains an assumption at its heart, as such I can't answer it.

I don't know what happens when you die, no-one does.
 
belligerent drunk said:
I'm always curious how people can make claims about this subject with absolute certainty. Have YOU died before that you know it's going to be like that? Do you know what the subjective experience you're seeing every time you're awake is?

I'm a materialist and the biggest question for me is how to connect the "subjective experience" to the processes in the brain. I know it must be based on them, because I don't believe in the supernatural, but I still don't understand why there is something rather than nothing. I don't even know how to explain what I mean, but I guess the best analogy I can come up with right now is a computer. A computer functions just as well without a screen, everything that goes on in the hardware (aka brain) does not need the screen (the "subjective experience", aka the stuff you "see, feel etc"). I guess the question is: why do we "see, feel, think etc" rather than there being complete darkness and lack of anything?

The reason I'm confused by this is because it seems so arbitrary, whereas nature is anything but that - it's a spectrum of phenomena. For example, humans have this subjective experience (I'm a human, so I guess since I have it, others do too), but do other mammals have it? I assume they do, but then does a rock have it? If not, then where is the line and why is it so arbitrary?

So to say that there will just be darkness after death is unjustified, because that implies that the subjective experience goes on after death (because how otherwise would one experience the darkness?), but that in turn implies supernatural phenomena in the form of something that is a part of one's body, but is separate from its processes including death (it has to be, otherwise it would cease to exist upon death).

As such, I'm leaning towards the answer that "I don't know", because it could easily be something very complicated that the human mind is unable to understand at this point, like the way the quantum world works. But as far as I'm concerned, classical logic does not lead to any reasonable conclusion on this subject. Oh, and of course religion is bullshit.
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how come you didn't chime in the "what's the point of consciousness" thread, folks were talking about this very subject there... anyway, i know exactly what you mean, when you mention the computer analogy. and just like you i lean towards the idea that the "answer" is probably outside the scope of our intellect. i am being kinda vague i guess, but this is just because i can't really put it all in words... i know what you mean. i just can't help but simply contemplate all of it in a puzzled state.

i have wondered about this "how can you be sure that the nothingness of death is the same as the nothingness of unconsciousness" thing too... i even have a pet theory about it... agh, i can't think too much about this subject... i feel like it's impossible to express it or understand it
 
neurotic said:
how come you didn't chime in the "what's the point of consciousness" thread, folks were talking about this very subject there... anyway, i know exactly what you mean, when you mention the computer analogy. and just like you i lean towards the idea that the "answer" is probably outside the scope of our intellect. i am being kinda vague i guess, but this is just because i can't really put it all in words... i know what you mean. i just can't help but simply contemplate all of it in a puzzled state.

i have wondered about this "how can you be sure that the nothingness of death is the same as the nothingness of unconsciousness" thing too... i even have a pet theory about it... agh, i can't think too much about this subject... i feel like it's impossible to express it or understand it
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I would be interested to hear your pet "theory". The reason I missed that thread is because when I saw the words "point of consciousness" I assumed it was some other kind of question, and I don't always have the patience to read through whole threads to see if the topic is something I can comment on or not.
 
belligerent drunk said:
I would be interested to hear your pet "theory". The reason I missed that thread is because when I saw the words "point of consciousness" I assumed it was some other kind of question, and I don't always have the patience to read through whole threads to see if the topic is something I can comment on or not.
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yeah, especially following a thread called what is the point of life.

many great mysteries aren't very mysterious. You may not know everything that happens to you when you die, but there many reasonable assumptions you can make as long as you know who and what makes you who you are. People expect some certain knowledge but how often is knowledge ever certain? It should be no guess that death is something to be avoided, that death is something significant to us.
 
turkalurk said:
there many reasonable assumptions you can make as long as you know who and what makes you who you are.
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And what those might be? All evidence suggests that I am a set of self-replicating chemical reactions not any different from the chemical reactions happening when beer is brewing, or when diacetylmorphine is being synthesized. And death is just a process in which the chemical reactions take on a different turn, become less resistant to entropy, but nothing at their core changes. So what reasonable assumptions can I make from that?
 
turkalurk said:
see, there you go chasing your tail again with semantics. We are empty because nothing is in here. Where is here? You asked, "what exactly is living dying?" Its a very simple answer: My body is living and dying.

what exactly am I free from? I can do a bunch of shit or nothing at all, I still have to live with who I am and experience the consequences of my actions.
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There are simple practices and evidentiary experiences which are time honoured that can demonstrate what I'm talking about.

But it can't be conveyed by simply talking about it. It's hard to debunk mind with mind.
 
supers0nic_high said:
all religion is total bullshit.

When you die you lose conciousness, like youre sleeping with no dreams or anything forever. You get consumed by the earth and are no more. Thats the sad reality so live it to the max while youre alive

EXTREME! (if you get the reference then i tip my fedora to you sir)
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I'm not religious, but I don't think you can you know what happens after our brains stop working and our body decomposes.Well, more or less I suppose. If conciousness were non physical, maybe transcendence is possible. However, only debunkable pseudosciences can even suggest such, rendering the belief in religious or spiritual ideas less self delusional (if criteria is met).
 
belligerent drunk said:
And what those might be? All evidence suggests that I am a set of self-replicating chemical reactions not any different from the chemical reactions happening when beer is brewing, or when diacetylmorphine is being synthesized. And death is just a process in which the chemical reactions take on a different turn, become less resistant to entropy, but nothing at their core changes. So what reasonable assumptions can I make from that?
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ok, well you could read back through about what I consider a self, but we can go with yours. If you are a set of chemical reactions no different than any other chemical reactions than this will be simple because you don't even attach identity to your body. So its reasonable to assume chemical reactions will continue to occur. So, after death, your body will continue to decompose and become part of other chemical reactions. The causal chain continues. You will continue to take part in chemical reactions whether tjey result in a conscious experience or not. Life will still utilize your molecules that are consumed by other organisms. If you can't make any reasonable assumptions about what will happen after you die, then its possible you simply lack imagination.
 
turkalurk said:
ok, well you could read back through about what I consider a self, but we can go with yours. If you are a set of chemical reactions no different than any other chemical reactions than this will be simple because you don't even attach identity to your body. So its reasonable to assume chemical reactions will continue to occur. So, after death, your body will continue to decompose and become part of other chemical reactions. The causal chain continues. You will continue to take part in chemical reactions whether tjey result in a conscious experience or not. Life will still utilize your molecules that are consumed by other organisms. If you can't make any reasonable assumptions about what will happen after you die, then its possible you simply lack imagination.
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Turk, nobody knows what death actually is. There are two options; eternal oblivion, or some form of conscious experience (heaven, reincarnation, etc.). For some reason, through human history, the latter has been the favored option. The point of this topic is that we do not know definitively and, for the living, we cannot know. Like you, we are all speculating. There is no way that reason can help us make an assumption about a state that we cannot experience. Reason does require the use of evidence and we have nothing from beyond the grave. There are no "reasonable" assumptions about death, there is only assumptions. We are not really talking about the physical process of decomposition; that is not what we mean by death.
 
turkalurk said:
ok, well you could read back through about what I consider a self, but we can go with yours. If you are a set of chemical reactions no different than any other chemical reactions than this will be simple because you don't even attach identity to your body. So its reasonable to assume chemical reactions will continue to occur. So, after death, your body will continue to decompose and become part of other chemical reactions. The causal chain continues. You will continue to take part in chemical reactions whether tjey result in a conscious experience or not. Life will still utilize your molecules that are consumed by other organisms. If you can't make any reasonable assumptions about what will happen after you die, then its possible you simply lack imagination.
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That is what I think will happen yes, but as I said in my previous post, it still leaves me confused because I can't tie my "subjective experience" to the whole thing. I guess that is the most important question/aspect of this. If you assume that the subjective experience of an individual is a virtual entity based on certain combination of states of chemicals in the brain (analogous to a virtual entity that we call programs and other shit in a computer, whereas in reality it's just a combination of states of electronic devices), and the subjective experience exists only when the person is alive and awake, then I guess the answer would be that after death, it ceases to exist. But can you imagine what lack of existence looks like? I don't think you can. I certainly can't.
 
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