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Why do you guys do it? I am curious..

Temperate Citizens said:
Look at this board, for Heaven's sake. Prohibition is NOT the problem. DRUGS are the problem. Legal highs have demonstrated so, in perhaps the most telling unintended social experiment of our time. Wake up!
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People are always going to take drugs. Getting high is a bodily necessity, like having sex or going to the toilet.

You aren't going to earn a lot of money selling a £25 Office suite, even though it's ostensibly 1/20 of the price of Microsoft Office. People would rather take a pirate copy of MS Office and save £500, than buy your cheap alternative and save £475. And when you eventually go out of business, it will be because of piracy -- even if nobody ever makes a single pirate copy of your program.

Likewise, prohibition of illegal drugs is indirectly responsible for some of the problems associated with RCs. The vendors aren't actually allowed to claim effects on the mind or body anyway, since they are sold for test-tube experimentation, not for administration to live subjects. So you've already got some seriously poor communication there. Add in a bit more ignorance ("It's legal, so it must be safe") and you've got the makings of a disaster.

There would be no reason for most people to take RCs, if it was not for the law preventing them from taking the substances they would really rather be taking. Now you could say that's just weakness on their part, and if they were all that bothered then they would find a way to get them and sod the law ..... But you'd be wilfully ignoring the same Human Nature that makes them want to get high, if you did that.
 
BecomingJulie said:
People are always going to take drugs.
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Unhappy people, yes. Weak and vulnerable people, yes. Mentally ill people, yes. Morally suspect people, yes. All of their problems can be addressed through various means other than addictive substances, or substances that skew their view of reality and distract or discourage them from confronting their real problems.
 
Temperate Citizens said:
Unhappy people, yes. Weak and vulnerable people, yes. Mentally ill people, yes. Morally suspect people, yes. All of their problems can be addressed through various means other than addictive substances, or substances that skew their view of reality and distract or discourage them from confronting their real problems.
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Aye - just people. I'm pretty sure most people have experienced feeling most of those adjectives at some point in their lives. I know that I've been each of those people at a stage.

I'm starting to wonder if it's temperance you're in favour of, or eugenics.

Not everybody that takes drugs is running away from a problem or trying to compensate for something they lack. You might not be able to say the same about golfers though.
 
I'm not looking to punish, or even criticise, anybody. I'm simply stating that people can get involved with drugs for a variety of reasons, most of which can be addressed through compassionate intervention rather than taking more drugs. We understand the human tendency toward escapism and indeed easy recreation, especially when confronted with an unjust and uncaring world; all we are saying is that drugs are not the answer. Indeed, they are usually a central plank of the problem.
 
who is 'we' exactly?

some of the greatest advances in science and medicine have been attributed to drug use.
 
Temperate Citizens said:
Maybe so, but I've never read a testimony from a recovered drug user which complains that their life has become worse as a result of unfettering themselves.
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Nor I, but I haven't read too many. I have, however, read many testimonials of how someone's life has become better after taking drugs eg. the use of psychedelics in terminally ill people, helping them come to terms with death, or people who have had transformational psychedelic experiences that enable them to end addictions to other drugs, or allowed them to finally confront long standing mental distress.
 
The use of substances to comfort the dying would qualify as medicalised usage. I'm skeptical, I must say, but it can do no harm to explore such avenues - strictly within a medical setting. I'm quite confident, however that there are far more efficacious and safe ways of addressing addiction to one drug, than experimenting with others; I would think the potential for creating polydrug addiction is hardly worth the risk. As for confronting mental distress, the overwhelming evidence among the psychiatric community would indicate that drugs are far more often an aggravating or complicating factor than they are a viable therapeutic tool. The days of hippie shrinks are well and truly over, thank God.
 
Temperate Citizens said:
Maybe so, but I've never read a testimony from a recovered drug user which complains that their life has become worse as a result of unfettering themselves.
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Would you expect to?

Well, I can't speak for anyone else; but there've been a few times I've been on a break, thought "Sod this, it isn't working" and gone sliding straight back down the rainbow into my dealer's waiting arms.

And anyway, prohibitionist thinking doesn't encourage such testimony. If they were really thinking they had "unfettered" themselves, they might even be in denial that they were worse off.

Also, just a quick heads-up, you are using loaded language. That doesn't invalidate any point you may be making, but it isn't helping either.
 
Ceres said:
this is not true and the research is being done and being published.
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Research into what? Controlled, strictly experimental, medicalised usage of drugs by qualified professionals, perhaps? A far cry from the type of chaotic, painfully-rationalised 'self-medication' we witness day in, day out on this forum, I'm afraid.
 
Silicon Valley Professionals Are Taking LSD at Work to Increase Productivity

Psychedelics researcher Dr James Fadiman discussed microdosing with Vice, saying: ‘People do it and they’re eating better, sleeping better, they’re often returning to exercise or yoga or meditation. It’s as if messages are passing through their body more easily.”

“But what many people are reporting is, at the end of the day, they say, ‘That was a really good day.’ You know, that kind of day when things kind of work.”

“You’re doing a task you normally couldn’t stand for two hours, but you do it for three or four. You eat properly. Maybe you do one more set of reps. Just a good day. That seems to be what we’re discovering.”
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Yeah, yeah. This 'microdosing' crap was going on in the sixties. Look what happened to a great number of its exponents, such as Syd Barrett's entourage. I'd be very surprised if this isn't forgotten about immediately after the paper is reviewed, and the Californians will move on to pilates post-haste.
 
Personally I couldn't give two shits about most drug addicts. Life is a series of risks and choices until you stop breathing and start feeding the worms.

I choose to take drugs for the same reasons I choose to watch sport. Entertainment.

I'm fortunate that drug use for me is like adding sugar to my tea, it might not be what's recommended by my doctor but I have never met any human who out ran the grime reaper longer than 100 years despite all of our medical advances. My mental health is fine, physically I'm in great shape and professionally I run a successful business. You'd have thought after 25yrs of drug experimentation that the sky might fall on me but I'm afraid that just hasn't happened.
 
One Thousand Words said:
Personally I couldn't give two shits about most drug addicts. Life is a series of risks and choices until you stop breathing and start feeding the worms.

I choose to take drugs for the same reasons I choose to watch sport. Entertainment.

I'm fortunate that drug use for me is like adding sugar to my tea, it might not be what's recommended by my doctor but I have never met any human who out ran the grime reaper longer than 100 years despite all of our medical advances. My mental health is fine, physically I'm in great shape and professionally I run a successful business. You'd have thought after 25yrs of drug experimentation that the sky might fall on me but I'm afraid that just hasn't happened.
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You must not be doing it right ;)
 
One Thousand Words said:
Personally I couldn't give two shits about most drug addicts. Life is a series of risks and choices until you stop breathing and start feeding the worms.I choose to take drugs for the same reasons I choose to watch sport. Entertainment. I'm fortunate that drug use for me is like adding sugar to my tea, it might not be what's recommended by my doctor but I have never met any human who out ran the grime reaper longer than 100 years despite all of our medical advances. My mental health is fine, physically I'm in great shape and professionally I run a successful business. You'd have thought after 25yrs of drug experimentation that the sky might fall on me but I'm afraid that just hasn't happened.
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Would you agree that your experience is not at all representative of the users of this forum, many of whom have seemingly hit rock bottom, died, or both?
 
In 25 years I have never lost a friend in real life to a drug overdose.

A couple have killed themselves drink driving, plenty have died from cancer and one or two killed themselves after being left by their wives. A community of socially awkward neck beards is hardly an accurate representation of the wider drug taking community. The majority of peoplel who use drugs do so socially, and that comes with the advantage of being able to tell your mate to go to bed.

I am honest with my own children about using drugs. They should be like spices when cooking. They should enhance life but not overpower it with their flavour. Real life is still entertaining without drugs. Time to time though you do have to let your hair down.

Not all drugs are equal, you need to know and respect your poisons. There is a difference between scratching your bum and tearing yourself a new arsehole.
 
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