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That's right. they tend to give electrophilic epoxides metabolites leading to DNA damage among other is big issue which I was mentioned earlier. But notice that not all naphthalenes are carcinogenic: the common antiinflammatory Naproxen (AleveTM) is pretty safe drug!
I did not mean that all molecules containing Naphthalene is toxic.
True it is not really an aromatic amines which might give rise to toxic nitroso metabolites..
and yes it might be pretty resistant to MAO metabolism (may or not be MAO inhibitor!) hard to tell but my guess it would probably be close to Bromo-dragonFLY in terms of ADMET but definetely different from simple amphetamines
I found the following patents: http://www.google.com/patents/WO1987004153A1?cl=en (from the 80's)
You can find some information about the N-methyl version of dihydro-2phenalene-amine there, They call it U-64,273A.

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U-64,273A:
By the intravenous (i.v.) route of administration to anesthetized rats, U-64,273A is potent in reversing the effect of d-amphetamine on nigral DA neuronal firing. Standard antipsychotic agents such as haloperidol and clozapine also reversed amphetamine's depressions of DA neuronal firing, as has been reported by other laboratories (1). The ability of neuroleptics to actually increase firing rates above control values has been associates (1,2) with the tendency of that agent to induce extrapyramidal side effects (EPS). Thus, haloperidol, which induces severe EPS in patients, increased firing rates to a level 64% greater than controls whereas clozapine, which induces far less EPS, (3), completely reversed the amphetamine effect but did not increase rates above controls (Table 2) . Unlike haloperidol the amphetamine effect reversal by U-64,273A was not quite complete. This suggests that U-64,273A in addition to being a dopamine antagonist has a small amount (partial) of dopamine agonist activity. A partial agonist property is further suggested by the fact that U-64,273 is able to weakly inhibit the DA neuronal firing when given alone. This pattern of effect is similar to that other partial agonists, trans-dihydrolisuride (TDHL) , and (-)PPP(4,-5). However, the dopamine antagonist properties of TDHL and (-)PPP are much less prominant than with U-64,273A. Thus, U-64,273A is 70% antagonist and 30% agonist while the antagonist/agonist ratios for TDHL and (-)PPP are approximately 50:50 and 30:70 respectively (Table 2). In addition the antagonist potency of U-64,273A is considerably greater than that of clozapine. The dopamine antagonist properties of U-64,273A should be sufficient to antagonize overactive DA systems such as those though to underly schizophrenia. By avoiding a complete blockage, there may be a reduced severity of side-effects such as pseudo-parkinsonism and tardive dyskinesia in using this compound as an antipsychotic drug.

Consistant with its having a minor amount of agonist activity, the overall behavioral effects of U-64,273A conform to that of a weak DA antagonist (Table 3). It antagonized apomorphine in the following tests: mouse climbing screen, locomotor stimulation in reserpinized mice, emesis in dogs and discriminative effects in monkeys. U-64,273A also antagonized d-amphetamine in the turning behavior of striatal-lesioned rats. However, it did not protect mice from a lethal dose of d-amphetamine nor did it block the stereotypic behaviors produced by apomorphine. When given by itself, U-64,273A affected locomotor activities in rodents in a way resembling both DA auto-receptor and postsynaptic receptor agonists. It suppressed conditioned avoidance behavior of rats with a limited efficacy. It produced no locomotor stimulation in reserpinized mice.

The effects of U-64,273A on the metabolites of DA and 5-HT in rat brains suggest an antagonist action of DA and an agonist action of 5-HT (Table 4) . The elevation of HVA was only moderate in comparison to that produced by haloperidol. It did not increase the plasma level of prolactin as did haloperidol. Both the HVA and prolactin effects are consistent with the expected low EPS. U-64,273A is relatively weak in the in vitro receptor binding screen but did displace spiperone in vivo. (The numbers in parenthesis are to References listed below Table 5 hereinbelow). The dimethylated derivative, U-65,556, is also of interest because it has antipsychotic activity with little or no propensity to produce EPS since it, 2,3-dihydro-N,N-dimethyl-1H-phenalen-2-amine, like U-64,273A, also reversed amphetamine's depressions of DA neurons without causing firing rates to increase over control.
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http://www.freepatentsonline.com/EP0234113.pdf

This patent does not say match about the receptor binding assay properties.
According to this patent U-64,273A bind to the 5HT1A receptor: (http://www.google.com.ar/patents/WO1989010741A1?cl=en)
2,3-Dihydro-N-methyl-1H-phenalen-2-amine (U-64,273A), and 2,3-Dihydro- ,N-dimethyl-lH-phenalen-2-amine, tested as their hydrochloride salts, are both DA antagonists in addition to being 5HT1A agonists...

I know that 5HT1A acting as an auto receptor for dopamine, it releasing dopamine in the striatum. That should reduce the EPS.

U-64,273A has some similarities with Xaliproden ( 5HT1A agonist), both are naphthalenyl-ethanamine.

2-Amino-2,3-dihydro-1H-phenalene(16) also appeared to bea weak binder to the 5-HT7 receptor.
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http://www.rug.nl/research/portal/files/2904567/c5.pdf
 
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Some more simplified/unrigidified bzp-receptor agonist structures based on this benzoazepine:
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I found the following patents: http://www.google.com/patents/WO1987004153A1?cl=en (from the 80's)
You can find some information about the N-methyl version of dihydro-phenalene-amine there, They call it U-64,273A.

Nice! you dug up some data on that compound. Yes I thought so: somebody might have tried it. So the N-methyl derivative is a DA antagonist (it won't be surprising since lots ot aminotetralines are!). It has pretty decent HT2A activity tho. Actually it is quite potent 5HT2a ligand (1uM displaces 67% LSD from rat brains - table 5). Not bad not bad at all as LSD Ki at 5HT2a = 2.9nM. My guess it will be as potent as DMT as 5HT2a ligand (DMT Ki range 0.118-0.989uM at 2a). Now big question is: will it be an agonist or an antagonist? LSD displacement won't show that. Only that it compete with LSD for binding at 2a.
wish the authors watched their mouse headtwitch for HT2a agonism. But they were looking for antipsychotics after all, so they might have missed it 8)
@Friman1978 But really nice data..

now that LSD indole NH H-bond donor?

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cLogP1.58
PSA46.25
water solubility: very high

But again CAUTION the opposite stereoisomer might well be a potent mu opiod so racemic mixture might well give a psychedelic opiate!
compare to morphine!

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dissociative opioid stims:

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metabolize to (aza)ketamine? like this:

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may or not be NMDA antagonist but very likely SNDRI and/or releaser!
 
cLogP1.58
PSA46.25
water solubility: very high

But again CAUTION the opposite stereoisomer might well be a potent mu opiod so racemic mixture might well give a psychedelic opiate!
compare to morphine!

That might work, hard to say. Interesting theory
:)
Some of these might also work, I don't know which one.
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That might work, hard to say. Interesting theory
:)
see how it superimposes nicely on morphinans (the S stereochemistry!!) but not the R which may bind HT2a in LSD fashion. I would expect opioid activity at least as potent as codeine (80%morphine) may be more! who knows?
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certainly more if you play around like this:

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Some of these might also work, I don't know which one.
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they all have pretty nice logP. but for some reason I like the first one: the benzoquinoline. Look very drug-like but maybe incredibly long-acting like this

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with half-life of up to 2 weeks! ugh! that would be one heck of a trip!! :sus:
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@Friman1987 : the N-phenethyl substitution doesn't work for Tramadol as it does with morphine(20x) and piperidines like meperidine(20-100x). No difference in activity even with 3-desmethylTramadol! SAR doesn't make lots of sense!

somebody suggested phenethyl tramadol or its metabolite sometimes ago?? I guess on this forum, can't remember!

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it is less active than simple desmethyl-tramadol. the whole series

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here is a link: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4648120/
 
the N-phenethyl substitution doesn't work for Tramadol as it does with morphine(20x) and piperidines like meperidine(20-100x). No difference in activity even with 3-desmethylTramadol! SAR doesn't make lots of sense!

Yes you are right. thanks for the information.
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Maybe it has something with the hydroxyl group on the cyclohexane to do? that is one thing that makes Tramadol different relative to morphine.

What do you think about these molecules?
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Ciprefadol: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ciprefadol
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The stereochemistry is not corect. I have drawn them like that just to indicate that the substance originates from morphine.
Fluorophen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluorophen
8-Carboxamidocyclazocine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8-Carboxamidocyclazocine
Tapentadol: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tapentadol
Etazocine (NIH-7856): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etazocine
Axomadol: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axomadol
Tramadol: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tramadol
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Picenadol: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picenadol
Ketobemidonehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketobemidone
PEPAPhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PEPAP
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Methadone: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methadone
NSFW:
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You can do 1000 other structures with those, someone else might come up with something better.
Opioids are not my thing, I've tried tramadol 2-3 times (3-4 years ago) and it was good. But I prefer psychedelic, my favorite is 4 ho MET.
 
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