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The Big and Senseless Mass Shooting Thread

Tell that to Switzerland.

The Swiss aren't a gun hungry country. They take their service weapons home during mandatory training but ALL ammo is to remain at the barracks. A better example would have been Finland. Just a heads up.

Besides, you missed the point about the guns themselves being a small portion of the actual problem.
 
One of those differences being gun control. Busty, how many massacres were there in and prior to 1996 in the 90s alone in AUS? And how many since?
This is the best i could dig up in a quick search:
In the 18 years before the Port Arthur attack and passage of the NFA, Australians endured 13 mass shootings, claiming 112 lives. In the years following the bans and buybacks, firearm-related deaths plummeted, and mass shootings became largely a thing of the past.

In 2012, the Guardian published new statistics drawn from the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime and Small Arms Survey showing only "30 homicides by firearm" annually in Australia, or "0.14 per 100,000 population."

The U.S. statistics are bloated by comparison. Over the same period, Americans suffered "9,146 homicides by firearm," at a rate of 2.97 for every 100,000 people. Sixty percent of murders in the U.S. are committed with a gun, according to the Guardian, compared to 11.5% in Australia.
Source.
 
wait I'd psychedelic soul is onethousandwords why don't you run your ip tracking matrices that got me banned? I have never had a alt yet I got banned an busty gets off scot free. I'm just busting your balls but figured I would note it

the hell are you talking about?
 
I wanna know how they determined that statistic. Because I've been going over mass shootings in Australia. For mass shootings defined as 5 or more, I can only find 8 from 1978. adding up to 79 dead. I had to use 5 or more dead, because if we go down to 4 or 3, then there have in fact been at least 1-2 more mass shootings since port arthur, making the second assertion untrue instead.

In addition, there have been 2 stabbings 5 or more since 1996, and no mass stabbings I could find from before it, at 5 and 11 dead.

If they used a very low metric of 'massacre' for before 1996, they'd have to have used a different one after that or there would be a bunch of supposed massacres from after it.
 
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We have just as many guns in Canada as the US does. The only difference being that handguns are restricted and you can't carry them in the open and of course all full auto's are totally illega. However with a regular gun license you can buy a VZ58 (a Czech knock off of the AK-47), a AR-180b (for some dumb reason AR-15's are restricted even though they are basically the same gun as the AR-180b which people use for hunting pests all the time), .50 caliber anti-material semi auto rifles or even a BRS-99 semi automatic sunmachine gun. Those are all in the non restricted category so if you can buy a bolt action rifle legally you can buy any of those. With a restricted license you can buy any handgun available in Canada and alot of other assault rifles and SMG's.

Yet despite the loads of legal and totally illegal guns in the rural area i live in plus all the guns across Canada shooting sprees are pretty rare. Besides those dumb 5 pigs in New Brunswick who got shot by some guy with a M-14 or knockoff there of with 3 of them dying but since cops signed up for that the last shooting spree i can think of would be when that misogynistic woman hating cunt of a wack job shot 28 people and killing 14 women back in 89.

So i think the issue goes much deeper then guns. Hell you would be very hard pressed to find a house here that didn't atleast have a shotgun or a rifle with many of them being so old they aren't even registered. Yet gun deaths are very rare here.
 
Ali that is genuinly terrible, but still not grounds to violate the constitution.

Bardo I hope that woman is charged to the fullest extent of the law. I hope she does time tbh


Knives kill more than five times as many people in the United States as all rifles combined, a category that includes, but is not limited to, so-called “assault weapons”: 1,490 killed by knives compared to 285 killed by rifles in 2013.

Id sooner support a ban on knives like UK police officers have been pushing for tbh
 
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Our mental health care system really is a joke. Personally I would put that at priority number 1 with gun control being priority n umber 2
 
Knives kill more than five times as many people in the United States as all rifles combined, a category that includes, but is not limited to, so-called “assault weapons”: 1,490 killed by knives compared to 285 killed by rifles in 2013.

How many by handguns?

Bardo I hope that woman is charged to the fullest extent of the law. I hope she does time tbh

The concealed carry classes in Michigan (where the story took place) is a joke anyway. I've been looking into CCW courses and they all look like they're just having snacks at the shooting range for 2 hours. Then you pass.
 
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How many by handguns?



The concealed carry classes in Michigan (where the story took place) is a joke anyway. I've been looking into CCW courses and they all look like they're just having snacks at the shooting range for 2 hours. Then you pass.

5,782 and another 1900 or so undeclared type of gun but imagine the percent handgun vs rifle is similar in that group.
 
Ali that is genuinly terrible, but still not grounds to violate the constitution.

Bardo I hope that woman is charged to the fullest extent of the law. I hope she does time tbh


Knives kill more than five times as many people in the United States as all rifles combined, a category that includes, but is not limited to, so-called “assault weapons”: 1,490 killed by knives compared to 285 killed by rifles in 2013.

Id sooner support a ban on knives like UK police officers have been pushing for tbh

I find most people underestimate just how lethal a knife can be, they can also underestimate just how ineffective a gun can be.
Both are highly lethal weapons.
 
How many by handguns?



The concealed carry classes in Michigan (where the story took place) is a joke anyway. I've been looking into CCW courses and they all look like they're just having snacks at the shooting range for 2 hours. Then you pass.
The rules they teach in some of the classes are very basic:
1) Always keep the gun pointed in a safe direction.
2) Never put your finger on the trigger until ready to shoot. A lot of people put their fingers on the trigger when removign the gun from the holster. With modern guns, this is more likely to cause you to shoot yourself in the foot.
 
I wish the ccw class was a bit more rigorous tbh. I got a trucker hat upon completion of getting my Tennessee license. All I had to do was sit through a five hour class and hit a target 5 out of 10 times. They had this old lady that couldn't see well in my class and she failed but they passed her anyways lol. 99.9% of people with their permits are law abiding extremely responsible individuals but there will always be the few idiots.

Like Jess has been saying over and over we can ban guns and lower gun crime, but over all violent crime stats the same. And nobody gives a shit about suicide. There are so many other more painless easy ways to kill yourself. If somebody wants to do it they will do it. The people concerned about this would probably vote to pad all the walls so no one ever bumps up against them and gets an owie.

Otws? I read that many locked into position pocket knives are illegal in Australia. Is that just a state by state thing? It certainly makes sense that the nanny state would go after knives next.
 
Many knives are banned in Australia yes. I don't know off the top of my head which ones specifically, if it could be controversial to anyone, it's banned. But that's just ownership, possession of any knife in a public area without a "genuine occupational reason" is prohibited no matter the kind. Except a Swiss army knife or similar, or a knife used only to cut food in a picnic or something.

Pepper spray/OC spray/mace is also banned, as are stun guns and tasers, airsoft guns, handcuffs and even body armor (can't be permitted to stop police shooting you after all). In fact all of those could be said to be MORE illegal than guns and knives, some guns can still be obtained so long as you have a "genuine reason" (of which self defense is not one), fill out piles of forms, undertake a couple day course, join the aussie equivalent of the NRA depending on your genuine reason, buy a safe and mount it to the floor of your home and submit to random inspections of said safe (the cops come to your property and ask to be shown your storage setup), get given a background check, provide references and fork over some cash.

In fact, under the law, if something looks convincingly like a weapon of a restricted category of firearm, it is considered by law to BE one of those categories of weapons. So a lot of replica's and similar things are illegal too.

Crossbows, and bb guns are also restricted requiring the same process as for guns in theory, in practice the law requires the establishment of some governing association along with local clubs which none of those things have much of in place. So they're more or less out too.

Laser pointers are the newest edition in the same category as knives, can be owned but must not be carried in public without a genuine reason. No stores sell laser pointers anymore, you have to buy a much more expensive "presentation pointer", which is basically a device with sensors that transmits to your computer allowing you to move the mouse as if it were the dot of a pointer. If it's a laser pointer over 1mw it requires a permit of some kind and membership in an astronomical organization to own.

Technically it is indeed a state by state thing, but in practice it's not. Prime minister John Howard, whom introduced most aspects of these laws in question forced the states into complying by threatening to withhold tax revenue from the federal government. Much like the highway tax trick in the US. except unlike the US. State by state law has never been all that different in the first place. There are still some minor differences, in regard to weapons, roads and other state matters, but increasingly more gets synchronized to the federal governments wishes. Also there's only 6 states to get on board. So each state is extremely similar compared to the diversity of American states.

Most Australians I know would rather abolish states entirely and put all their authority in federal hands.

EDIT: funny little side note, I was having a conversation the other day about the problem of domestic violence and family violence against women and children the other day since its been in the aussie news lately. And I had a semi-joking idea. All these mass shooters, most of these perpetrators of shootings and domestic violence. They're nearly all men... hypothetically what if we made it so guns were banned, but only for men, and women could buy and carry a gun should she want too. I'd be curious how that'd turn out. I mean if anyone should be allowed to have a gun, surely it's a woman. We barely murder or rape or slaughter anyone. =D
 
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Oh wow that is over the top oppressive. More so than I even originally thought. Just to pick your brain what is the biggest nanny state policy you can think of off the top of your head. They had the former Australian pm on the public radio station here the other day promoting the anti freedom agenda he pushed in the 90s. I'm sorry a mandatory buy back would possibly cause another civil war here. It would simply never work.
 
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