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The Big and Senseless Mass Shooting Thread

Droppersneck said:
Bwahahah liberals hate freedom so much. Not that there is anything wrong with disliking freedom as an American that is your right.
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everybody knows you're basically trolling when you regurgitate this silly, partisan nonsense, droppers but i think we both know that liberals like freedom just as much as conservatives, they just think the idea should extend beyond straight white men.

liberals believe that women should have the freedom to make their own healthcare choices. liberals believe that gay people should have the freedom to marry their lovers. liberals believe that those who need it (and those who just want to get high) should have the freedom to buy marijuana. liberals believe that we should have the freedom to enjoy clean air and clean water. liberals believe that freedom of religion should really mean freedom of religion.

for somebody who talks about objectivity so much, you don't really practice what you preach.

alasdair
 
Droppersneck said:
Bwahahah liberals hate freedom so much. Not that there is anything wrong with disliking freedom as an American that is your right.
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To laugh, as you do, in the face of death of schoolchildren and hide behind this as some sort of 'freedom with a price' is truly abhorrent. There are statistics all over the internet to prove your hideousness. Statistics which show, forgetting this rubbish about gun owning states and low levels of gun violence, statistics which show the USA to have comparable levels of gun violence and murder in school only in comparison with amalgamations of countries that have 100x the population of the USA added together.

Statistics that make your 'freedom' cynically 100x worse when it comes to killing children.

How you can joke about this as 'liberals hating freedom' is not an argument I ever wish to understand. There is nothing to understand. You really are at best quite a nasty troll, at worst an uncaring bloodthirsty friend of psychopathic murder.

There are hundreds of better ways to argue your case. You seem incapable of finding even one of them. Take a look at yourself.
 
Here is one place everyone can agree. The gun free zone has got to be the dumbest concept to ever be imposed on any institution ever. I propose we at least give the place a fighting chance and not say it is gun free nor gun allowing. Just make no statements. 93% of mass shootings in the last decade have been in gun free zones and the minute a opposing gun shows up the cowards off themselves. Just leave it a question mark whether or not someone could be packing even if no one is?
 
more erroneous assumptions and misinformation.

ucc was not, as many pundits are claiming a gun free zone. the state of oregon prohibited public schools from banning guns in 2011: Oregon University System will not appeal court decision allowing guns on campus

at least one conservative site (THINKPROGRESS FAIL: GROUP ATTACKS THE RIGHT FOR OREGON ‘GUN-FREE ZONE’ CLAIM) continues to incorrectly claim that guns were banned at ucc.

p.s. there was 'a good guy with a gun' on the secene - 'Good Guy With A Gun’ Was On UCC Campus At Time Of Massacre - except he didn't do shit.

alasdair
 
Well I certainly was just going off of what was being blasted on cnn this weekend. Wow other states need to adopt this policy and allow ccws to carry everywhere. It isn't the only answer but it certainly helps. These nuts are always found out to be looking for places where they know they will see no opposition. Do you know what kind of weapons he used? Are they the scary ones or just hand guns?
 
alasdairm said:
more erroneous assumptions and misinformation.

ucc was not, as many pundits are claiming a gun free zone. the state of oregon prohibited public schools from banning guns in 2011: Oregon University System will not appeal court decision allowing guns on campus

at least one conservative site (THINKPROGRESS FAIL: GROUP ATTACKS THE RIGHT FOR OREGON ‘GUN-FREE ZONE’ CLAIM) continues to incorrectly claim that guns were banned at ucc.

p.s. there was 'a good guy with a gun' on the secene - 'Good Guy With A Gun’ Was On UCC Campus At Time Of Massacre - except he didn't do shit.

alasdair
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You do realize... That if Oregon's campus was a "gun free zone" and if they did not allow guns on campus, nothing different would have happen. Whether or not they allowed guns on campus is irrelevant. You would have the same exact outcome.
 
What is it about America that brings out the lone psycho killer gunman? Europe has now and historically had fewer shootings AFAIK.

One big difference between Europe and USA is health care. Here nearly everyone gets checked out by a physician each year. They talk to their patients and can often tell if something is wrong psychologically. Then they can get a mental health check up, and it is cheap or free. People are less isolated in Europe too. If someone starts talking crazy, acquaintances will call them out on it. Not so in the USA. Nobody will say anything, and they will ostracize you.

In the USA , nobody goes to a doctor unless they have a broken arm or something, and they might avoid going their whole life if they can.

Maybe improving health care and social support is the solution. We all know gun laws aren't realistic
 
psychedelicsoul said:
Whether or not they allowed guns on campus is irrelevant.
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it's 100% relevant to dropprsneck's comment about gun free zones.
psychedelicsoul said:
No they don't.... Hate speech laws and discrimination protections for gays make freedom of religion impossible for Christians
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ok, kim davis.

gay marriage does not prevent christians from practicing their religion.
Droppersneck said:
Well I certainly was just going off of what was being blasted on cnn this weekend.
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hmm. not really the approach i'd reasonably expect from somebody who constantly talks about the importance of logic and objectivity. i'll draw the obvious conclusion.

alasdair
 
we're talking about your proposition right now. i'll give you my views shortly.

what kind of freedom are you describing with your national database and keeping track of people?

alasdair
 
my point, which i admit i am making in a heavy-handed way, is that you believe in limits on freedom too - they're just different to those supported by people you dislike. so let's drop the "i believe in freedom and you don't"?

you don't have a monopoly on what freedom means, droppers. for you, carrying a gun is a potent symbol of freedom. for many others the freedom to not to be shot to death by a lunatic, is just as potent.

alasdair
 
StoneHappyMonday said:
Statistics which show, forgetting this rubbish about gun owning states and low levels of gun violence, statistics which show the USA to have comparable levels of gun violence and murder in school only in comparison with amalgamations of countries that have 100x the population of the USA added together.
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As I said before, I'm not even really opposed to gun control measures. I'm certainly not going to ignore faulty statistics being thrown around though. The fallacy of this statistic does raise a valid question given that states with stricter gun control measures still have high rates of gun murders. We're not talking about other countries (which keep getting brought up); we're talking about the USA and the effectiveness of these already enacted laws is very much relevant, regardless of what are anyone's individual beliefs on the subject.
 
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