71 dead found in a truck abandoned in Austria

[drug_mentor]

And there we have it. It's not so much about me 'hating' these people as it is about you hating the Western world. Classic inverted liberal thinking. It's alright for everyone else to value cultural preservation.. but apparently we're not allowed to, we have to feel a sense of shame about our history and give it all away.

I don't hate the West, I am just capable of acknowledging what we have done wrong, and have enough of a moral compass to think we should do something to right those wrongs.

See, I don't hate these people despite what you think. I recognize they are humans like myself. What I understand, and you don't, is actually they don't see the merit in our cultural values. They see the economic prosperity and technology.. they see the pleasure they could have.. but that's all. Hence why Muslims have failed so monumentally to integrate properly into our culture.. they just do not care for it. They will happily use all the fruits of our cultural paradigm and still try to establish their little Islamic ghettos in our towns and cities. Once the numbers get great enough they will demand a more favourable Islamic law be integrated into our culture, and once the demographics are there we won't be able to stop it by the virtue of our own system.

People have been talking this shit for as long as people have been immigrating. It hasn't come to fruition yet, there isn't any compelling reason to think that it will this time. You might think you are Nostradamus, but you aren't. We should not be condemning people to die out of fear of the worst case scenario, as conceived by racists.

If the tables were turned here do you believe they would welcome half of Europe coming to the Middle East and not treat us like dirt? Get real.

Perhaps not, although I would note that this probably due to recent Western atrocities in the Middle East. I doubt they would have had much problem with European immigration during their Golden Age, but I admit I am speculating on that 100%. Regardless, saying that other people might do the wrong thing does not equate to an adequate justification for us actually doing the wrong thing.

 

[What 23]

Germany: asylum seekers riot over Quran-in-toilet incident. 18 people sent to hospital. Journalists flee for their lives.

http://10news.dk/?p=1701

 

[paranoid android]

I just know that this isn't the way. I've said before I'd rather ALL refugees come to the U.S., and Canada (Mainly the U.S.). So this isn't clear cut and dry xenophobia. Or lack of compassion. I guess I just see Europe as a home base to my ancestry, and I don't want to see it on it's way to Brown Muslim land in the next 100 years.

You do realize that prior to the Roman Conquest the people living in Britain or Briton as it was called in pre Roman times are not the same people currently living there now at all? They where Celts not Anglo-Saxons. So i hardly think Britain of all places is some white homeland. It's always been a cultural mix through out history and i don't see any change in that today. The entire history of Europe is one of migration if you look at it from a historical standpoint.

 

[Deleted member 210577]

It's always been a cultural mix through out history and i don't see any change in that today. The entire history of Europe is one of migration if you look at it from a historical standpoint.

This gets trotted out frequently. Whilst it is true, and true for most lands on this Earth, it is not a justification for allowing cultural dilution and disintegration.

 

[What 23]

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[paranoid android]

This gets trotted out frequently. Whilst it is true, and true for most lands on this Earth, it is not a justification for allowing cultural dilution and disintegration.

Well entire cultures have been systematically destroyed in Britain so i hardly think the immigrants coming in now are of any great concern. My point is that modern British culture will survive and in anycase Britain has never really consisted of just 1 culture that is both White and Christian despite propaganda to the contrary. Also migration has been the natural way of things in Britain and the rest of Europe basically so this is nothing new.

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I don't think the Norse had as big of a impact as the later Germanic culture that came about after the Roman Conquest and yes of course the Normans. But then again you probably have actually heard of the Vikings because of that stupid show that looks kinda like that other stupid show called Game of Thrones. And where did i slag off British people anywhere in that? I was addressing you i do believe.

 

[Deleted member 210577]

My point is that modern British culture will survive and in any case Britain has never really consisted of just 1 culture that is both White and Christian despite propaganda to the contrary.

It's not modern British culture that is precious.. they can have the binge drinking and narcissistic corporate materialism for all I care. That wouldn't be a loss, and it's not the kind of culture I was ever making reference to. The British culture that is precious is the stuff that evolved way before mine or my parents generation.. but is still held in place by those alive today who are its current evolution. Mass immigration will displace it and ultimately overwrite it with something else. Britain will essentially just become another satellite state of the EU and ultimately a homogeneous corporate satellite state of this world order that is slowly creeping into view.. where every country is this beige blend of "multi-culturalism", which is actually no-culture at all.

 

[cashfl0w_d0nkey]

this world order that is slowly creeping into view.. where every country is this beige blend of "multi-culturalism", which is actually no-culture at all.

...Or is it? I'm a beige person myself, about to go pick up my Southeast Asian girlfriend and go out to eat some authentic Caribbean food. Then, I'm going to come home to my apartment in a building owned by an African and watch a Japanese movie. That's an awful lot of culture for one evening if you ask me... A lot more than you'll have in an evening sitting around with your mum eating Marmite on toast.

 

[Deleted member 210577]

...Or is it? I'm a beige person myself, about to go pick up my Southeast Asian girlfriend and go out to eat some authentic Caribbean food. Then, I'm going to come home to my apartment in a building owned by an African and watch a Japanese movie. That's an awful lot of culture for one evening if you ask me... A lot more than you'll have in an evening sitting around with your mum eating Marmite on toast.

Haha Don't be hating on the Marmite! So tangy.. nom

But this is the thing.. are those things you mentioned culture? To me those are aspects from the culture.. and they're all great too. But culture is more than these things in isolation, and it is so much more than material items too. You can export aspects of a culture but you can never export the culture itself.. its organic, it grows.. its rooted with the place and people who give energy to it. The thing is though, with everyone moving about and rampant corporate materialism infesting every nation, who will carry the torch of the culture?

To use a poor analogy, if there's a shop from every nationality on the local high street, where will there be space for the shops that help maintain the culture of this nation? I love a good curry as much as the next person, but the curry house doesn't support the culture or values of this nation (though some would argue otherwise haha). The curry house also does nothing for the home nation of its owners either. Financially it's good for them, we get nice food and nice Indian's to talk to, but culturally? Do you see where I'm coming from?

 

[What 23]

cashflow.. think about this tiny unique point in time where you can actually call yourself these things... and where there is actually a japanese culture to carry on genuine japanese food (or Caribbean food and Japanese movies). about how southeast asia hasn't necessarily been flooded with or displaced by other people (yet).

many people seem to lack any real perspective. They like the "different cultures", which wouldn't even exist without separation, and they want to destroy the boundaries. I was listening to an interesting video. Provocative. Racist. But with some very good points in it to at least think about. About how the corporations really just want to create people without roots. All the same. Multicultural. No heritage. No Boundaries. They want the children to be state-children. They want obedience to the dollar (or whatever other money, or whatever- they want slaves that want to be part of the group- the multicult).

Legal Fictions, Who Really Owns Your Children
https://youtu.be/USMZR_ODb6o

Like I said... some of it gets hard to listen to, but there are some things to think about.

 

[alasdairm]

Haha Don't be hating on the Marmite! So tangy.. nom

i love marmite. see, we have something in common!

You can export aspects of a culture but you can never export the culture itself.. its organic, it grows..

you seem to be arguing vehemently to prevent that...

alasdair

 

[paranoid android]

It's not modern British culture that is precious.. they can have the binge drinking and narcissistic corporate materialism for all I care. That wouldn't be a loss, and it's not the kind of culture I was ever making reference to. The British culture that is precious is the stuff that evolved way before mine or my parents generation.. but is still held in place by those alive today who are its current evolution. Mass immigration will displace it and ultimately overwrite it with something else. Britain will essentially just become another satellite state of the EU and ultimately a homogeneous corporate satellite state of this world order that is slowly creeping into view.. where every country is this beige blend of "multi-culturalism", which is actually no-culture at all.

So your basically a reactionary that wants the world to go back to some idealic vision of the fabled good old days? Those so called good old days where not that good for most people and i don't see the working class in Britain being any better off back then. Wanting to go back to some mystical glorious past is the opposite of wanting society to do what it naturally does which is progress over time. As for Multiculturalism i don't get why some people make such a big deal out of it. Hell there's people that live here from every corner on the globe and they can celebrate their culture all they want just like i can mine. Different cultures can actually exist in the same country and get along believe it or not. If any culture is a actual threat to where i live it's Canadian culture as we are becoming more and more like mainland Canada.

...Or is it? I'm a beige person myself, about to go pick up my Southeast Asian girlfriend and go out to eat some authentic Caribbean food. Then, I'm going to come home to my apartment in a building owned by an African and watch a Japanese movie. That's an awful lot of culture for one evening if you ask me... A lot more than you'll have in an evening sitting around with your mum eating Marmite on toast.

That sounds kinda like me when i was out on my own in Ontario. My cousin and his mom where Jamaican (well my cousin is half Newfoundlander half Jamaican) and i lived with them after me and my uncle came damn close to killing each other in some stupid argument. I can honestly say they treated me as one of their own really and as i found out we sure as shit had alot more in common then we did differences. As a result alot of my friends where Jamaican up there and i was friends with a Iranian guy i worked with at a place that only had 1 other white person on anywhere near me on the night shift. I had very few white friends except some Jewish guy i worked with who always had a trunk full of ice cold beer after work and didn't mind being generous with it as long as i passed around the weed. My then g/f who i lived with in Ottawa was Iraqi and such a staunch Muslim that she didn't even know what branch of Islam she came from . I thought that was really funny actually because she has had some people make racial and religious slurs to her when in reality she's about as Muslim as i am Catholic.

 

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So your basically a reactionary that wants the world to go back to some idealic vision of the fabled good old days? Those so called good old days where not that good for most people and i don't see the working class in Britain being any better off back then. Wanting to go back to some mystical glorious past is the opposite of wanting society to do what it naturally does which is progress over time. As for Multiculturalism i don't get why some people make such a big deal out of it. Hell there's people that live here from every corner on the globe and they can celebrate their culture all they want just like i can mine. Different cultures can actually exist in the same country and get along believe it or not. If any culture is a actual threat to where i live it's Canadian culture as we are becoming more and more like mainland Canada.

Where on earth did you pull that from? Not once have I said we should return to the past, or that they were glory days either. They weren't. Times were brutal for the ordinary man in this country 100-150 years ago. Before electric street lighting came (gas was inferior and not everywhere), going out after dark was risky business, for example. The point is the working class toiled to build up this nation to what it is today and allowed the precious aspects of our culture to come into being.. it was on the backs of these workers that the intellectuals and visionaries had time to think in an attempt to lay the foundation for a better society.

As for your second point that has been explained already in this thread.

 

[spacejunk]

You seem to believe "technology" and "civilisation" (whatever that is) are analogous - and restricted to - western culture.
I think you've been very much misled by cranks like Farage.

 

[swilow]

Before electric street lighting came (gas was inferior and not everywhere), going out after dark was risky business, for example. .

I guess Britain actually did have criminals and crime well before it had large scale immigration from Africa.

Culture has never been static. It just appears that way when you are within in, but we all only operate within a tiny window of time and space. The world was mighty different 50 years ago and it will be again in 50. There have always been conservative people who tried to avoid change. They would have been in the various Egyptian empires, the Aztec empires, the Mayan empire, the Roman Empire, the Mongolian Empire, the British Empire, etc. The common fact here is that all these empires and vast cultures either died out or were subsumed by others. Conservatives who wish to stop immigration and cultural change may have their reasons, but they will never win. History tells us this; no culture is static.

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I feel sorry for the people who consider their 'way of life' (whatever the fuck that is) to be of more importance then other peoples actual right to life. Who like seeing people who think/talk/act like then more then they do seeing people raise their children in safety.

Being born in an arbitrary geographic location of planet earth does not give you a right that others not born there do not. That is make believe, arbitrary and cruel. Borders are fictions. Let us hope that we do not consider upholding fictions to be more important then confronting actual reality. I do not believe that all people should be allowed to freely roam wherever they want without government being aware, but I do not believe the inhabitants of a land have any right to withhold sharing it if they are able to; and the western world is more then able to, despite what the frightened may say. That is more important then the obligatory burden some people place on the west, hat these problems are of our making. Maybe they are, maybe they aren't, but that doesn't change the fact that we have a moral obligation to help people when we are able to, regardless of whether they are owed your help or otherwise.

 

[Munchkoala]

One would expect a truck driver to check the load before embarking on a journey. This reeks of B.S. Pretty sure the truck driver will get lynched for this.

 

[Deleted member 210577]

You seem to believe "technology" and "civilisation" (whatever that is) are analogous - and restricted to - western culture.
I think you've been very much misled by cranks like Farage.

Don't pretend to know what I believe. I never said that at all. Modern technology, principally technology from the industrial revolution forwards.. steam, combustion, electricity.. these are the fruits of Western culture. They would not exist if we had not established the culture that allowed them to come forward. Farage may be a crank to you but he's the only politician in this country who speaks his mind and generally is spot on. You may disagree with that, but really you just don't like him.

I guess Britain actually did have criminals and crime well before it had large scale immigration from Africa.

Of course it did. I mean.. what? You actually had to post that?

Culture has never been static. It just appears that way when you are within in, but we all only operate within a tiny window of time and space. The world was mighty different 50 years ago and it will be again in 50. There have always been conservative people who tried to avoid change. ..Conservatives who wish to stop immigration and cultural change may have their reasons, but they will never win. History tells us this; no culture is static.

And what is the result? What we have today.. where humanity functions as a plague driven by the base instinctual needs, where we are on the verge of destroying both ourselves and our environment. Progression is not automatically progress. Perhaps the conservative minded people identified certain things that you have yet to realize. Society can go one of two ways.. towards civilization or backwards towards tribal living.. we have yet to achieve civilization and are still battling out the decision in which direction we shall go.

"If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain." - Winston Churchill

You should consider however though that what you think of as a modern day conservative is not really that conservative at all. All the political parties in the UK are left-leaning Blair-ite corporate sponsored parties.. our conservative party is not conservative in the slightest, it only pretends to be.

I feel sorry for the people who consider their 'way of life' (whatever the fuck that is) to be of more importance then other peoples actual right to life. Who like seeing people who think/talk/act like then more then they do seeing people raise their children in safety.

Being born in an arbitrary geographic location of planet earth does not give you a right that others not born there do not. That is make believe, arbitrary and cruel. Borders are fictions. Let us hope that we do not consider upholding fictions to be more important then confronting actual reality. I do not believe that all people should be allowed to freely roam wherever they want without government being aware, but I do not believe the inhabitants of a land have any right to withhold sharing it if they are able to; and the western world is more then able to, despite what the frightened may say. That is more important then the obligatory burden some people place on the west, hat these problems are of our making. Maybe they are, maybe they aren't, but that doesn't change the fact that we have a moral obligation to help people when we are able to, regardless of whether they are owed your help or otherwise.

As has been said numerous times, what about the safety of OUR children. Playing the world savior and world police is not a game you can play if you want to raise the standards of your own nation. It costs money. Lots of money. We take in refugees every year, we do more than most countries. But we are full and that is obvious.

And right to life? The people who have fled Syria are ALIVE. There is your god damn right to life. The fact they can even make it to another nation that is safe is a miracle in itself. What you are talking about is right to a comfortable life, which is not a right at all. The 3 year old boy who drowned.. they had been living in Turkey quite securely for three years. They got greedy and wanted more. That is not my problem. They are alive and safe, that is what counts. The hoards from Africa and the Middle East who are bashing their way through Europe are ECONOMIC MIGRANTS.. some of these people are wearing nicer clothes than what I own for fucks sake, and have nicer phones!!!

I want to see my nation get better and more prosperous. That can not happen if you throw open the doors to everyone who wants a piece of the pie. I will not feel guilty for holding that position at all. None of you liberal minded people have any real idea what it costs to just maintain the state of a nation, let alone make things better. Our national debt is in the trillions.. we are not prosperous. I will not feel guilty for wanting to see OUR house get put in order first before we decide to go playing world savior to anybody. If that offends you, that's your problem.

 

[Deleted member 210577]

Highly recommend people read this article today by Peter Hitchen's. He can write far more eloquently than I can but we are essentially on the same wavelength about this situation.

'We won't save refugees by destroying our own country'
http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/mass-immigration/

 

[spacejunk]

Fuck Churchill. That quote is unadulterated bollocks.

Edit - And Farage, and Peter Hitchens.

 

[Deleted member 210577]

You're a fool and I have nothing more to say to you.