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71 dead found in a truck abandoned in Austria

RedWhiteNTrue said:
If its not a crime i dont see they would hide im refrigerated trucks.
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It is a sign of human desperation and a systematic failures that these sorts of horrible things happen to asylum seekers.
Blaming the victims displays a total lack of awareness of the world around you, and/or indifference to the plight of people fleeing violence, repression and circumstances unimaginable to many people in the developed world.
 
spacejunk said:
It is a sign of human desperation and a systematic failures that these sorts of horrible things happen to asylum seekers.
Blaming the victims displays a total lack of awareness of the world around you, and/or indifference to the plight of people fleeing violence, repression and circumstances unimaginable to many people in the developed world.
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Watch my video of the detention center in Hungary. I personally rather not live anyhere near those people, nothing against Syrians in general but some of these people should take asylum in Saudi Arabia or Pakistan, or Turkey not Europe. Pretty soon European people will he the ones seeking asylum if this continues.

Realistically I think people who arent breaking any laws dont hide in refrigerated trucks. Just my $0.02. Maybe this and the recent drownings in the Meditarranean can serve as deterrant from coming to Europe. A silver lining to this horrible tragedy. I will pray they find peace in their native country.
 
Escher's Waterfall said:
Smugglers are expensive. If you can't afford to send the whole family, who do you think has the best chance to make the most money in order to afford bringing the entire family over?
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And let their wife(s) and kids deal with ISIS while they wait to send money over ? Personally I would send my wife and kids to safety first. Something fishy when 60/71 refugees are adult men of fighting age and breeding age. Hardly an women children or elderly.
 
RedWhiteNTrue said:
Watch my video of the detention center in Hungary. I personally rather not live anyhere near those people, nothing against Syrians in general but some of these people should take asylum in Saudi Arabia or Pakistan, or Turkey not Europe. Pretty soon European people will he the ones seeking asylum if this continues.

Realistically I think people who arent breaking any laws dont hide in refrigerated trucks. Just my $0.02. Maybe this and the recent drownings in the Meditarranean can serve as deterrant from coming to Europe. A silver lining to this horrible tragedy. I will pray they find peace in their native country.
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There is no 'silver lining' in human suffering; i'd rather not live anywhere near racists like you - but we all have to share this world togerher, no amount of 'border security' will stop people moving around the planet.
Allowing people to do so on humanitarian grounds negates the need for people smuggling operations to exist.
 
spacejunk said:
There is no 'silver lining' in human suffering; i'd rather not live anywhere near racists like you - but we all have to share this world togerher, no amount of 'border security' will stop people moving around the planet.
Allowing people to do so on humanitarian grounds negates the need for people smuggling operations to exist.
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Funny same liberals that say this get mad if I move to black neighborhood for "gentrifying" and that is moving within my own country. Or god forbid an american or european goes to Africa and does a business deal and makes some money they are exploiting.

Dutch people in South Africa. Europeans coming on Mayflower. Bad. Syrians to Europe is great. Countries should have no soverignty to who they let in.
 
What relevance does any of that have with the topic being discussed?
It is simply ignorant to not see a distinction between 'refugees' and 'immigration'. Lumping the two issues together just makes your argument all the more devoid of substance.
 
spacejunk said:
What relevance does any of that have with the topic being discussed?
It is simply ignorant to not see a distinction between 'refugees' and 'immigration'. Lumping the two issues together just makes your argument all the more devoid of substance.
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Lets look at this objectively. You say they're "refugees or asylum seekers" the official article refers to them as "migrants". Apparently only one was found with travel documents indicating they were coming from Syria. You've made a huge assumption here that they are indeed refugees/asylum seekers rather than simply people attempting to illegally enter Europe.
 
RedWhiteNTrue said:
Lets look at this objectively. You say they're "refugees or asylum seekers" the official article refers to them as "migrants". Apparently only one was found with travel documents indicating they were coming from Syria. You've made a huge assumption here that they are indeed refugees/asylum seekers rather than simply people attempting to illegally enter Europe.
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They were willing to risk and subsequently put up with conditions which have led to their death, any reasonable person would conclude there is a strong likelihood that they were fleeing horrendous conditions and felt that their lives were at serious risk.

If you want to talk about border control in the Middle East, perhaps start by taking a look at Jordan. A nation of 6.5 million people who are currently supporting 1 million refugees and asylum seekers. It is relevant to note that Jordan is not actually a signatory to the refugee convention, like most of the West is. They are under no legal obligation to look after these people, but they realise their moral obligation. Europe, Australia and the US could learn a lot from them.

People are people, they aren't pieces of meat to be thrown to the wolves. The fact of the matter is the West has a lot to answer for, both in terms of economic exploitation and military occupations which were imposed to protect said economic interests. It is absolutely immoral and ridiculous to think that we have a right to bleed a region dry and then have a cry when the social fallout of such actions happen to impact on the economy or well being of our own states.
 
spacejunk said:
By the same token, what makes you assume they are illegal migrants?
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Deductive reasoning, if you're legal you'd use a bus or car or a train. Not pack into a refrigerated truck. The route they took indicates they crossed into Hungary illegally, and were in Austria en route to Western Europe.
 
drug_mentor said:
They were willing to risk and subsequently put up with conditions which have led to their death, any reasonable person would conclude there is a strong likelihood that they were fleeing horrendous conditions and felt that their lives were at serious risk.

If you want to talk about border control in the Middle East, perhaps start by taking a look at Jordan. A nation of 6.5 million people who are currently supporting 1 million refugees and asylum seekers. It is relevant to note that Jordan is not actually a signatory to the refugee convention, like most of the West is. They are under no legal obligation to look after these people, but they realise their moral obligation. Europe, Australia and the US could learn a lot from them.

People are people, they aren't pieces of meat to be thrown to the wolves. The fact of the matter is the West has a lot to answer for, both in terms of economic exploitation and military occupations which were imposed to protect said economic interests. It is absolutely immoral and ridiculous to think that we have a right to bleed a region dry and then have a cry when the social fallout of such actions happen to impact on the economy or well being of our own states.
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Youve found a single country Jordan hose taken in refugees with similar culture and religion. Do they allow these refugees to waltz across the border and provide housing food and medical care like the left in Europe wishes to provide for every asylum seeker. Its racist and stereotypical to say "Western" policy us guilty of the mess in the Arab world. The West is not a singular entity: Or has every country in the West truku conspired to exploit Middle East and destabilize the region and must pay price of allowing in unlimited amounts of "asylum seekers" and caring for them indefinitely.
 
Hundreds of angry migrants demonstrated outside Budapest's shuttered Eastern Railway Terminus on Tuesday, demanding that the station be reopened and they be allowed to travel on to Germany, a Reuters reporter at the scene said.

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Zoltan Kovacs, government spokesman, when asked why the railway terminus was closed, told Reuters in an e-mailed statement that Hungary was trying to enforce EU law, which requires anyone who wishes to travel within Europe to hold a valid passport and a Schengen visa.

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A total of 3,650 migrants reached Vienna by train on Monday, this year's biggest daily number, Austrian police said, after Hungarian authorities allowed people stuck in makeshift refugee camps to leave Budapest despite many not having EU visas.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...Vienna-sees-biggest-daily-influx-by-rail.html
 
This very well could end up with violent outbreaks. Not necessarily Islamic extremist's normal tactics but simple mob fighting. It also very well could tip some people over into the extremist mode. I dont know the answer but leaving 3600 people stranded with nowhere to go will end badly regardless of race or religion.
 
Kittycat5 said:
This very well could end up with violent outbreaks. Not necessarily Islamic extremist's normal tactics but simple mob fighting. It also very well could tip some people over into the extremist mode. I dont know the answer but leaving 3600 people stranded with nowhere to go will end badly regardless of race or religion.
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Nowhere to go? How about one way tickets to Saudi Arabia or Turkey, they are wealthy countries that can accomodate their lifestyle better than Vienna.

Hopefully others thinking of coming to Europe see this and think of other potential destinations.
 
Its like a game of hot potatoe and every country in the EU for the most part will do what they can to get them movong along to another country. With the exception of England, they will give you a housing benefit for a ritzy flat in London, access to NHS, and bend over backwards to accomodate you.
 
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