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2016 American Presidential Campaign

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^ lol. no.

the hirer ground?

c'min, droppers, you must have been smirking when you wrote this. you love calling people names. you throw "liberal" and "you liberals" at people routinely in this forum. you're one of the most frequent name-callers in this forum.
Droppersneck said:
See I can appreciate people from all trains of thought regardless of obvious politicing.
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and rich people are just like poor people. except they have more money...
Droppersneck said:
Ben Carson is a nuerosurgeon and Is a whole lot smarter than me or you.
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sure he's smart but does knowing how to fix brains qualify you to run the country? does knowing how to run a company qualify you to run the country?

you've been critical of obama's lack of experience in the past. you're not seriously suggesting that obama lacked the experience to become president but carson does?

alasdair
 
I suppose being a "community organizer" in Americas most violent city is about on par with being a neurosurgeon.

Also calling someome a "liberal" is namecalling ? Thats laughable.
 
RedWhiteNTrue said:
I suppose being a "community organizer" in Americas most violent city is about on par with being a neurosurgeon.
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of course not. but, then, that's not the full extent of obama's experience prior to being elected president is it?

i'd argue - and you are of course free to disagree - that, among other things, being editor of harvard law review, a teacher of constitutional law at chicago law school, a three-term senator in the illinois state senate and a united states senator are all relevant experience.

odd that you'd choose to just ignore that...

alasdair
 
alasdairm said:
of course not. but, then, that's not the full extent of obama's experience prior to being elected president is it?

i'd argue - and you are of course free to disagree - that, among other things, being editor of harvard law review, a teacher of constitutional law at chicago law school, a three-term senator in the illinois state senate and a united states senator are all relevant experience.

odd that you'd choose to just ignore that...

alasdair
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Most politicians are lawyers...i suppose we should continue with the status quo here. Lawyers who give us laws and more laws, regulations that are a hundred pages of complex language and require lawyers to help us comply with.

Try to paint Carson as you will but hes a testament to why we shouldnt chastise the rich or engage in Obamas class warfare. The man routinely performs brain surgeries for children who cannot afford them, most liberals humanitarian work consists of voting to take other peoples money away.
 
again, odd that you choose to ignore the most important bit(s)... but it's fine. i'll draw the obvious conclusion.

i'm not painting carson as anything he's not. he's a smart guy because he's a neurosurgeon? check. he's a nice guy because he does stuff for kids? check.

do either of these things qualify him to be president? not necessarily, in my opinion.

your mileage obviously varies.

alasdair
 
alasdairm said:
do either of these things qualify him to be president? not necessarily, in my opinion.

your mileage obviously varies.

alasdair
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So president candidates should many years as senators esentially career politicians to be "qualified".

Remember our best president ever who defeated communism was a hollywood actor.

Humor me though what qualifies for a good president?
 
RedWhiteNTrue said:
Or simply has a different opinion than you. Rather than being an "idiot".
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He also believes that evolution isn't real. That's also a different opinion than me, and yet it doesn't preclude him from being an idiot.

Total average federal tax rate is over 17% right now. That means that if we replaced the current income tax structure with a flat tax, we'd need over a 17% tax rate to get the same revenue.

His plan calls for 10%.

Care to explain the discrepancy?

Our tax law is infinitely complex. The IRS is a huge organization and it takes many years of study to understand tax law. Its costing businesses billions upon billions every year to comply with these complex laws and Obamacare and other regulations. His idea of a flat tax is radical but it opens up this important discussion.
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This ain't an either-or situation. We don't either have adopt the Ben Carson plan or stick with our current tax law.

We could effectively lower the tax rate across the board and close loopholes abd end up raising overall revenue. When a pack of cigarettes in NYC costs over $12 and more than half of that is various taxes its evident politicians have been abusing the tax system. An endless cycle of spending, paid for by increasing taxes relentlessly.
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Except that the average income tax rate has decreased, and has been decreasing for years (same link).

Take for instance Trumps hardline stance against immigration andv"birthright citizenship". If a poor Mexican immigrant has three children that all are citizens by virtue of being born here, the American taxpayers will be paying for their schooling. It costs about $10,000 or more per year per student in most districts. Thats $30,000 per year deficit per year there. Add in emergency room visits and other health care, food stamps and other services kids are eligible for and it could be a $50,000 per year deficit for one family.
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And what's the actual rate per family? We could talk about "could be", but what's the real numbers? And how much is that illegal Mexican family pumping into the economy?

Extrapolate for a million families in similar circumstances and youll see our budget deficit gets bigger and bigger. The solution of the Democrats would be to just keep raising taxes on the wealthy.
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Except the tax rate for the wealthiest has dropped over 30 years (same link again).
 
alasdairm said:
^ lol. no.

the hirer ground?

c'min, droppers, you must have been smirking when you wrote this. you love calling people names. you throw "liberal" and "you liberals" at people routinely in this forum. you're one of the most frequent name-callers in this forum.
and rich people are just like poor people. except they have more money...
sure he's smart but does knowing how to fix brains qualify you to run the country? does knowing how to run a company qualify you to run the country?

you've been critical of obama's lack of experience in the past. you're not seriously suggesting that obama lacked the experience to become president but carson does?

alasdair
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I do not take offense to being called conservative, libertarian,or what have you. So your point is nonexistent at best, would be my response to that. Obama was a freshman senator with a questionable college record, little relevant work experience, a small amount of political experience relative to the Chicago machine, and a dubious past at the very least.. As far as I am concerned I would welcome any one outside of the special lobbied pos's that most call quality well informed politicians. All Ben carson needed to do is watch the news and know how to confidently permeate within hospital politics and most would put him leaps and bounds in front of your Obamas/ the like.
RedWhiteNTrue said:
Most politicians are lawyers...i suppose we should continue with the status quo here. Lawyers who give us laws and more laws, regulations that are a hundred pages of complex language and require lawyers to help us comply with.

Try to paint Carson as you will but hes a testament to why we shouldnt chastise the rich or engage in Obamas class warfare. The man routinely performs brain surgeries for children who cannot afford them, most liberals humanitarian work consists of voting to take other peoples money away.
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On point.
 
^ droppers, if this is some kind of 'being president' competition between obama and carson, then obama already won. twice :)

we can, of course, revisit this when carson has been elected president. twice.
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So president candidates should many years as senators esentially career politicians to be "qualified".
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this sentence doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me so i'm not really sure what you're saying.

your position was that obama's experience as a community organizer was poor experience for a presidential candidate. i pointed out that you were being deliberately selective and simply ignoring other very relevant experience, not least the fact that he was a u.s. senator for 3 years. indeed, you chose to ignore it twice.

do i believe that being smart and generous alone qualify one to be president? no, i don't.
RedWhiteNTrue said:
Remember our best president ever who defeated communism was a hollywood actor.
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that reagan was the country's best president ever is a matter of opinion. that reagan 'defeated communism' is a childishly simplistic analysis of a complex issue and, again, a matter of opinion.

alasdair
 
I mainly like Carson b/c he is 100% african american and that would cancel out Hilarys gender in a general election. I need to further look into him but as far as what I have seen in recent events I like his message over most others. It is hilariously funny how much power/sway people think a president has as well as them thinking experience in the political industry is a major selling point. Socially Reagan was a regressive and terrible for this country further perpetuating the private business of monetizing criminal punishment. However it is tough to argue against his economic policy if you are non partisan. Ali why not join the party of free thinkers and be pragmatic/ logical in your politcal thought/speech? Id welcome you with open arms brother ;)
 
Droppersneck said:
It is hilariously funny how much power/sway people think a president has...
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it's funny, too, how people will say this yet blame obama for getting nothing done in the same breath...
Droppersneck said:
Ali why not join the party of free thinkers...
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what is your definition of 'free thinker', droppers? i think your definition is 'anybody who agrees with me'? sounds like more tired lip-service to me...

alasdair
 
Tbf conservatism annoys me just as much. On a few right leaning sports msg boards i get on I critique the social conservatives just as much. Liberal is not a derogatory term unless you see it as one which I do not. It is just a way of describing something. IE liberal drugs laws can be a great thing if implemented correctly, I liberally applied salt to the fries, etc

QED
 
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