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"nbomb" vs LSD?

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I may or may not be purchasing some acid known as "nbomb" or 25i-nbome. I've used LSD about 10 times and enjoy 150-200mics when im out at parties/concerts. That dose for me is easy to control and is easy to hide, but I've never done anymore than 200mics of LSD. What are the effects of nbomb compared to LSD, and could I handle 1 tab at a concert? I don't know how strong they are exactly but I've been informed they are potent.
 
Nbome is generally considered to have a toxic body high and a lot of undesirable side effects, as well as a very real potential to kill you. Most people are advised not to take it, unless they specifically seek it out. Anyway, Nbome is NOT acid.
 
Just stick with lsd.

nbomes are not only dangerous at standard recreational dosages, but are often laid unevenly or too-highly dosed and lead to health problems (up to and including death), along with uncomfortably strong and shitty trips.

Besides, the effects of nbomes suck ass compared to lsd.
 
I would avoid doing 25x-nbome unless you have purchased solution or pure powder that you've dissolved into solution using strict measurements from a trusted vendor yourself. The chemical is generally safe to use in reasonable doses through buccal or sublingual ROA but the class can get dangerous at higher doses, the dose response curve is absurdly nonlinear and the potency requires utmost care with regard to precision in measurement. Be careful, if you have access to LSD I would suggest sticking to that, as it is generally considered to be superior with less chance of negative side effects than 25x-nbome chemicals. If you want to branch out and try other chemicals, I would suggest trying to find some more established research chemicals, like the 2c-x family.

I have extensive experience with 25i, 25c and LSD. In general, while the 25x chemicals can be wildly intense, they have potential to be profoundly disorienting and uncomfortable.
 
Stick with acid mate ..... NBOx chems are cheap , nasty , toxic rubbish masquerading as LSD .

Acid can't kill you , but that crap can . Wish that it would just disappear . At least your dealer has been truthful , not like the scumbags who just want to con you and empty your wallet - playing with your life for the sake of a few bucks ....
 
There's a lot of hyperbole and paranoia being propagated in this thread. To my knowledge, fatalities from 25x have been, while more common than many other research chemicals, still rather infrequent and usually due to extremely high doses. I agree the compounds tend to produce far more uncomfortable, overly intense experiences than many others, and there is an inherent risk to them due to their high potency, but if taken responsibly, they are unlikely to be dangerous, although I don't think that constitutes a compelling reason to actually use them. Still, I wouldn't say they're "cheap, nasty toxic rubbish." They are definitely not for everyone, but that's a little extreme.
 
Not sure if it had something to do with the novel nature of NBOMe compounds, but reports of health problems / fatalities seem to include a lot of unpredictibility and factors unaccounted for. If we compare with DOX compounds which have a long history since Shulgin wrote about them, it seems the toxicity is just a lot less understood and e.g. the DOM overdoses are widely known for their psychological terror but not deaths.

It may very well be that as time progresses and more attention is paid, no accident with NBOMes goes misunderstood, but until then IMO better safe than sorry, assume the worse scenario which means that taking them responsibly can turn out more tricky than it seems and safety is very hard to guarantee.

The odds may be alright if all precautions are taken, but if you don't want to tolerate very nasty surprises it can't hurt to avoid them. Being alarmist about them is perhaps at this point a bit much, but I personally dislike them and I even hate what they did to the LSD taking scene. They are so incredibly NOT worth that.

Actually I wouldn't mind hearing from people who attend a lot of big festivals on whether there are still a lot of health problems with these....
Unfortunately a lot can be attributed to cases of mistaken identity.. :( but yea
 
IamMe90 said:
There's a lot of hyperbole and paranoia being propagated in this thread. To my knowledge, fatalities from 25x have been, while more common than many other research chemicals, still rather infrequent and usually due to extremely high doses. I agree the compounds tend to produce far more uncomfortable, overly intense experiences than many others, and there is an inherent risk to them due to their high potency, but if taken responsibly, they are unlikely to be dangerous, although I don't think that constitutes a compelling reason to actually use them. Still, I wouldn't say they're "cheap, nasty toxic rubbish." They are definitely not for everyone, but that's a little extreme.
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Yes, probably. But we don't know that for a fact. And it wasn't in this case, in which a young man died from a buccal dose of 25B that was smaller than what he had taken earlier, and it was from the same sheet. Could have been due to a hotspot - but still, that's pretty horrible if you can croak from a hotspot on the sheet.


Besides the deaths, some people also seem to have severe allergic reactions to NBOMe's - which is a sign that something sketchy is going pharmacologically. And it's probably one of the reasons, that some people are quick to call them poisonous garbage.

I do agree though, that it's probably not completely fair to call NBOMe's "cheap, nasty toxic rubbish.", unless of cause, if you compare them to the lysergamides currently widely available. But if you do that comparison, then yes, then they truly are "cheap, nasty toxic rubbish."
 
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Personally, I would advise against it and go about sourcing yourself some REAL LSD again.
 
Psychological terror....that made me laugh!!

I guess anything that makes you trip for over 16 hours is goig to cause terror in people who aren't ready for it....most people that I hang out with wouldn't touch doc with a 10 foot pole because of the duration....I'm gonna try it one of these days.... I haven't crossed it's path yet though so I guess it wasn't suppose to be....one of tees days,...
 
I agree with IamMe that 25x-NBOMe should only be used by extremely responsible users. unfortunately that excludes almost all drug users. I would also advise against taking it, especially if you aren't sure about the dose.
 
IamMe90 said:
There's a lot of hyperbole and paranoia being propagated in this thread. To my knowledge, fatalities from 25x have been, while more common than many other research chemicals, still rather infrequent and usually due to extremely high doses. I agree the compounds tend to produce far more uncomfortable, overly intense experiences than many others, and there is an inherent risk to them due to their high potency, but if taken responsibly, they are unlikely to be dangerous, although I don't think that constitutes a compelling reason to actually use them. Still, I wouldn't say they're "cheap, nasty toxic rubbish." They are definitely not for everyone, but that's a little extreme.
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Actually there's at least one documented case of 25i killing someone at a dosage of 2 blotters of standard strength. In the short time they've been around, they've caused so many deaths and hospitalizations compared to other psychedelics, and not only from absurdly high dosages. That said, the standard dosage decided by vendors for some reason is in the range of a milligram, which is already a high dose. Some people on here have reported taking as little as 250-400ug and having nice trips. My guess is the relatively safe dosage range (I say relatively because there appears to be unknown mechanisms which cause extremely adverse reactions in some people) is much lower than what is commonly on even one single blotter. Hence, taking a blotter from a dealer is not advisable.
 
CrypticArc said:
Nbome is generally considered to have a toxic body high and a lot of undesirable side effects, as well as a very real potential to kill you. Most people are advised not to take it, unless they specifically seek it out. Anyway, Nbome is NOT acid.
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You trolling?

"Acid" is LSD, lsd is acid. There is only one true acid and that is LSD.

In addition to not being acid, Nbomes are a different class of drug completely.
 
Peacephrog1972 said:
Absolutely incorrect

Acid = LSD

Always has always will
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Indeed.

NBOME and other RCs have become so widespread as being sold as "LSD", that myself and lots of other people who were into LSD decades ago no longer take LSD or anything sold as LSD since we have no desire to take NBOME, or any research chemicals.

I feel bad for people who were not around when there was so much high dose ug/mic LSD that people were giving it away for free. You never had to worry if it was a research chemical or a completely different drug. But that's why there's always mushrooms, and vaped/consumed cannabis.
 
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