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Fancy a Drink? If Alcohol Were Reported Fairly...

Si Dread

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From - http://www.vox.com/2015/6/15/8774233/alcohol-dangerous

You don't have to read the whole thing otw, I bolded the important bit for you ;)

NEW ORLEANS — An ongoing drug epidemic has swept the US, killing hundreds and sickening thousands more on a daily basis.

The widespread use of a substance called "alcohol" — also known as "booze" — has been linked to erratic and even dangerous behavior, ranging from college students running naked down public streets to brutal attacks and robberies.

Federal officials suggest this drug has already been linked to 88,000 deaths each year across the country, including traffic accidents caused by drug-induced impairment, liver damage caused by excessive consumption, and violent behavior. Experts warn that it can also lead to nausea, vomiting, severe headaches, cognitive deficits among children and teens, and even fetal defects in pregnant women.

Excessive consumption of alcohol "is a leading cause of preventable deaths in the US," Centers for Disease Control and Prevention principal deputy director Ileana Arias said in a statement. "We need to implement effective programs and policies to prevent binge drinking and the many health and social harms that are related to it, including deaths from alcohol poisoning."

On the ground in America's alcohol epidemic capital

Here in New Orleans, the horror of the drug was particularly prominent in the city's French Quarter, where hundreds of young adults could be seen roiling from the effects of the drug. Some collapsed on the ground, dazed from alcohol's effects. Others could be seen vomiting in public — a common result of drinking alcohol. Many could be seen limping and clumsily walking down the street, showcasing the type of impairment that public health officials warn can lead to accidents, especially when someone is behind the wheel of a car.

What's worse, public use of this drug has become widely accepted in some circles. In New Orleans, several men and women in their 20s and 30s shouted that they're going to get "wasted" — a slang term for coming under the effects of alcohol. Some have even turned drinking alcohol into a game that involves ping pong balls and cups.

In other places, there have been similar reports of individuals engaging in bizarre, inexplicable behavior while under the effects of alcohol. Some reports found intoxicated college students exposing themselves to others or running the streets naked while shouting hysterically, particularly during spring time. Others report people urinating in public streets after a few alcoholic beverages. And at least one man who consumed alcohol tried to ride a crocodile and was seriously injured when the animal fought back.

"It actually starts to rewire the brain chemistry," one law enforcement official said. "They have no control over their thoughts. They can't control their actions. It's just a dangerous, dangerous drug."

Across the US, public health officials have linked alcohol to much graver effects, including domestic abuse, sexual assault in college campuses, 40 percent of violent crimes in the US, and more than 4.6 million emergency room visits in 2010.

According to federal data, alcohol is already the second deadliest drug in the country — topped only by another legal substance called "tobacco," which causes an astonishing 480,000 deaths each year by some estimates and 540,000 by others.

No other drug comes close to the staggering fatalities of these two. Heroin, which has consumed widespread media attention in the past few years, was linked to fewer than 9,000 deaths in 2013, and marijuana — another drug that federal lawmakers, including President Obama, have warned is dangerous — reportedly caused zero overdose deaths in the past few thousand years.

Public health experts demand action

Despite the heightened public health crisis, federal and state officials seem reluctant to do anything about the drug, which remains legal for adults 21 and older to possess and even sell in most of the US. Policymakers say that banning alcohol is out of the question, citing its importance to the economy and American culture.

Drug policy experts have suggested levying higher taxes on the drug or bringing its sales under state control, pointing to numerous studies that have shown these measures would reduce use. But lawmakers at the state and federal levels seem reluctant to take up even these milder measures, likely under the influence and lobbying of drug producers and dealers profiting from hundreds of billions in sales of alcohol each year.

Perhaps as a result, alcohol producers have felt free to advertise their product during major televised events such as the Super Bowl, which is viewed by millions of children each year. The marketing ploys tend to portray alcohol as cool and fun, seldom mentioning the risks and thousands of deaths linked to the drug.

As policymakers stand idly by, alcohol consumption has reached epidemic proportions. A recent Gallup survey found nearly two-thirds of Americans admitted to using alcohol — even as another survey by Gallup found more than one in three Americans blame alcohol for family problems.

For many public health officials, the startling numbers pose the question: what will it take to wake up the public and officials to this widening epidemic?
 
According to federal data, alcohol is already the second deadliest drug in the country topped only by another legal substance called "tobacco," which causes an astonishing 480,000 deaths each year by some estimates and 540,000 by others.

No other drug comes close to the staggering fatalities of these two

That's because they are both legal, and subsequently available and used by a drastically higher percentage of the population. How incredibly blind, to present those figures without taking into account the proportionate levels of consumption.


What a load of shite.
 
I don't know about those figures, but nutt's table of relative drug harm definitely takes proportion into account and still leaves alcohol near the top. Taking mdma as an example, (very roughly without googling) about 2-3 million ecstasy tablets were being taken a week in the uk at some points in the past, and the deaths per year never got to triple figures as far as i remember (which is probably badly) - that's a pretty healhty proportion (especially if you subtract deaths due to bad education) - i don't need to fudge figures to show how much worse alcohol is in proportion
 
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That's because they are both legal, and subsequently available and used by a drastically higher percentage of the population. How incredibly blind, to present those figures without taking into account the proportionate levels of consumption.


What a load of shite.

Thanks for your time.

So look at comparative harms, per user...

I studied reputable resources & discovered that alcohol appears to be, per-user, almost twice as addictive as cocaine, a drug purported to be considerably addictive. If one were to extrapolate from a substances addictiveness it's harm potential, alcohol is clearly very harmful. I don't need to extrapolate though, I live in the UK & I can see quite clearly on a night out how harmful alcohol is. Although I doubt you'll bother, I take the time to flesh out my posts & find evidence to support the stuff in them. So a more detailed post with reputable links to back my assertions is in the Blanket Ban Thread, Post 419, page 17 - http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/758687-Blanket-ban-on-legal-highs-on-the-way/page17

So, although yes the above article is deliberately over-the-top, the statistics to support the basic premise are equally sensational & vastly under-reported.
 
Alcohol can cause things worse than death.

Ever seen anyone with Korsakoff's syndrome ?

Fucking shocking. Used to look after a guy who was once a loving family man from the North. Booze got the better of him and he disappeared off the radar for a few years then was found in a shed down here in the south.
Korsakoff's syndrome left him in residential care for the rest of his life.
Goldfish memory span, couldnt wipe his own arse or shave, just shuffled round the home hands shaking, by the end the only words he ever said were "got a light mate" or "got a fag mate"

http://www.alzheimers.org.uk/site/scripts/documents_info.php?documentID=98

From the link above :

"Wernicke-Korsakoff syndrome is diagnosed in about one in eight people with alcoholism (a dependency on, or addiction to, alcohol). Evidence shows that the condition is present in about 2 per cent of the general population. It is more common among people in deprived communities."



2%

Were 2% of the population left retarded by AMT, 6apb or AL-Lad ?
I doubt even drone could compete with that statistic
 
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The following data illustrates a remarkable finding. It derives from the PhD of a Scottish graduate, Alasdair JM Forsyth, who looked at every single newspaper report of drug deaths in Scotland from 1990 to 1999 and compared them with the coroners' data.

Over the decade, there were 2,255 drug deaths, of which the Scottish newspapers reported 546. For aspirin, only one in every 265 deaths were reported. For morphine, one in 72 deaths were reported, indicating that editors were not interested in this opiate. They were more interested in heroin, where one in five deaths were reported, and methadone, where one in 16 deaths were reported.

They were also more interested in stimulants. With amphetamines, deaths are relatively rare at 36, but one in three were reported; for cocaine it was one in eight. Amazingly, almost every single ecstasy death – that is, 26 out of 28 of those where ecstasy was named as a possible contributory factor – was reported. So there's a peculiar imbalance in terms of reporting that is clearly inappropriate in relation to the relative harms of ecstasy compared with other drugs. The reporting gives the impression that ecstasy is a much more dangerous drug than it is. This is one of the reasons I wrote the article about horse riding that caused such extreme media reactions earlier this year. The other thing you'll notice is that there is a drug missing, and that's cannabis. Also missing is alcohol, which will have killed a similar number – 2,000-3,000 people – in Scotland over that time, maybe more. Of course, cannabis wouldn't have killed anyone because it doesn't kill. And that's one of the reasons why we thought cannabis should be class C, because you cannot die of cannabis overdose.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/nov/03/david-nutt-drugs-policy

Relevant.

Sorry did I swear at Raas? Can't cunting think why.
 
Data can be manipulated n it is difficult to test things sometimes like when the ratio of users to substance differs from substance to substance but their are ways of testing for this to get as accurate a result as possible (nothing's ever accurate with stats, it's all on how the person interprets the data but can be more accurate than other methods). I'll have a look at the article now.

Evey
 
Excellent point. Each of us is welcome to interpret this data however they wish.

9% of alcohol users become addicted.

6% of cocaine users become addicted
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http://www.alzheimers.org.uk/site/scripts/documents_info.php?documentID=98

From the link above :

"Wernicke-Korsakoff syndrome is diagnosed in about one in eight people with alcoholism (a dependency on, or addiction to, alcohol). Evidence shows that the condition is present in about 2 per cent of the general population. It is more common among people in deprived communities."

2%

Were 2% of the population left retarded by AMT, 6apb or AL-Lad ?
I doubt even drone could compete with that statistic

I was & am well aware of this sort of damage to chronic alcoholics. But thanks for the links & anecdote.
 
I went around to my mates place last night. Had a cider. Cracked open a bottle of Yamazaki single malt, poured a couple of fingers each (eye balled, because if safety margin of whiskey), had another because it was yum, walked to the pub ( didn't punch any one), sat on a couple of pints during football, met a couple of girls and chatted for a couple of hours (no anxiety or incoherent chewing their ears off), walked home avoided being run over because I knew to walk on the footpath, once again didn't get into a fight, had a piss and fell asleep without beating my wife and children.

Woke up at 6am this morning ready for work feeling fine. What went wrong? Do you think the vendor sold me a dud batch?
 
Nutt's drug's harm chart. http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2010/11/drugs_cause_most_harm

As far as i understand it, the 'harm to users' portion is per person (i never learned how to do the image link thing)

done

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I went around to my mates place last night. Had a cider. Cracked open a bottle of Yamazaki single malt, poured a couple of fingers each (eye balled, because if safety margin of whiskey), had another because it was yum, walked to the pub ( didn't punch any one), sat on a couple of pints during football, met a couple of girls and chatted for a couple of hours (no anxiety or incoherent chewing their ears off), walked home avoided being run over because I knew to walk on the footpath, once again didn't get into a fight, had a piss and fell asleep without beating my wife and children.

Woke up at 6am this morning ready for work feeling fine. What went wrong? Do you think the vendor sold me a dud batch?

No, all is normal. You are the same cunt you woke up as.
 
I went around to my mates place last night. Had a cider. Cracked open a bottle of Yamazaki single malt, poured a couple of fingers each (eye balled, because if safety margin of whiskey), had another because it was yum, walked to the pub ( didn't punch any one), sat on a couple of pints during football, met a couple of girls and chatted for a couple of hours (no anxiety or incoherent chewing their ears off), walked home avoided being run over because I knew to walk on the footpath, once again didn't get into a fight, had a piss and fell asleep without beating my wife and children.

Woke up at 6am this morning ready for work feeling fine. What went wrong? Do you think the vendor sold me a dud batch?

How many units was that? You are harming your health whether or not you have a hangover or get drunk. You're labouring under some sort of irrational drink-induced delusion if you think it's wise to drink that much in one day.
 
I'm catching a 2 flight tonight, will likely smash beers and or gins in the lounge and on the plane. I hopefully won't lose my shit and try and storm the cockpit.

Tomorrow I plan on cocktails while sitting in the Sun ( which will likely kill me before alcohol does)
 
^^ every time you post dreary, irrelevant shit about 'your life', you do realise it suggests darkened room/y-fronts desperation, right?

I've no reason to doubt you've done the things you seem bizarrely proud of. What puzzles me is what's lacking in your life that you feel compelled to pronounce your 'achievements' at every opportunity to strangers on a drugs forum?
 
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Last year 1320 people were killed in an aeroplane accident. Should I consider walking tonight?

A colleague killed himself last month, I might have to quit my professon and stay at home on welfare to prolong my life by several years
 
Thanks for your time.

So look at comparative harms, per user...

I studied reputable resources & discovered that alcohol appears to be, per-user, almost twice as addictive as cocaine, a drug purported to be considerably addictive.

Well, so what? lol The article says Alcohol is the second most dangerous drug there is. Which is nothing but a blatant lie. Sure, maybe it's more addictive than cocaine in some other questionable study, but that's not at all relevant to the fabricated attempt to falsely demonise the drug for being far more deadly in comparison to other drugs than it actually is.

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So, although yes the above article is deliberately over-the-top,

Well, it really tells you something when an article has to make up very bad lies to support it's claim. It makes the Daily mail look reliable.


No you are.

Why don't you fuck off.

lol ok! sorry

*fucks off*
 
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