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#4 heroin and valium

clord0

clord0

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Hi, I'm relatively new to H, ive tried it twice before, the first time #4 and once some #3 tar i think. Both times by insufflation. I tried smoking the tar on tin foil but it didn't go so well (any suggestions or advice on "chasing the dragon" welcome.

My main question is am I ok taking valium later on after snorting the #4 heroin or is that a dangerous mix?
Also does anyone have experience of using nitrous oxide with H? Feel like it could be an interesting mix.

Please let me know as I would rather not OD!

Thanks :)
 
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Depends how much heroin and how much valium. Generally it's not advisable to mix downers with downers, especially if you don't have much experience with one of them so I'd have to say don't take the chance until you're more experienced with heroin and know your limits.

Not that I'd recommend getting more experienced with heroin at all. 4 especially tends to be more pure than 3 (I think... correct me if I'm wrong) and it's very easy to overdo it if you have good stuff even if you've had a decent amount of experience with it because you need such a small amount to get a decent effect anyway.

So yeah. Err on the side of caution and stick to either smack or valium for the moment imo. Nitrous would be fine with heroin though, I've never tried nitrous and smack together specifically but any stim mixed with heroin is blissful so give that a go and save the vallies for another night. The h will chill you out enough as it is that I don't think valium will be necessary anyway :p

*Disclaimer - don't do heroin kids.
 
Well I have about 0.4 of powdered #4, after doing a pin sized small line it hit me like a train! Thought I was gonna throw up at one point so i'll stick to bumps from now on, it's just a slightly off white and is apparently from Asia so high quality.

Ok thanks for the advice I think I'll pass on the vallies until I'm fully sober later on.
 
SummerSerenade said:
Nitrous would be fine with heroin though, I've never tried nitrous and smack together specifically but any stim mixed with heroin is blissful so give that a go and save the vallies for another night.
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Nitrous oxide (laughing gas) is not a stimulant, it's more like a narcotic sedative that can be trippy/dissociating. I've never used it with heroin but using it with any strong respiratory depressant doesn't sound completely safe. I guess the buzz could be nice if you get it right.
 
On the topic of nitrous, I have one of the big dispensers not the small crackers. Is it ok to inhale it straight from the dispenser like Steve O used to do if I leave it in there for a bit?
just cos inflating the balloons makes so much noise! I'd make sure to breathe in actual oxygen whilst doing it instead of inhaling just N20.
 
If you've not much experience with heroin, particularly high purity #4 - street gear still applies - then I would certainly recommend avoiding mixing any other sedatives or depressants into the miX. For one, there's no need if the smack is good, and 2, it's fuckin dangerous..

Even the most seasoned heroin users get caught out.. I'm not going to lie, it can be very pleasant, it's a fine fuckin line though so without tolerance I'd say avoid..

I'd say, get to know heroin first, I'd rather you didn't get to familiar with that either as it can be quite the life changer. Take care :)
 
Thanks I appreciate it, I should've made it clear that the two previous experiences were purposely spaced out by atleast 3 months likewise with the shit I have now. I would never make a habit of it, I know many have said that but I'm too much of a stoner to love any other drug haha!
 
Try and keep it that way. Problem with it is, you don't see it coming most the time. It fits in with life like a hand in glove. Until everything turns to shit, then it fits even more so with your depression about it all turning to shit.. :)

Ignore me, I'm in rehab for heroin, I'm bitter.. =D
 
Try and keep it that way. Problem with it is, you don't see it coming most the time. It fits in with life like a hand in glove. Until everything turns to shit, then it fits even more so with your depression about it all turning to shit.. :)

Ignore me, I'm in rehab for heroin, I'm bitter.. =D
 
As Scotchy mentioned: H + benzos really is playing with "fire" (huh, Heroin pun...), as is any strong sedative combinations.
If what you do have is actual 3,6-DAM.HCl, and of seemingly high quality, then adding Valium to the mix seems unnecessarily dangerous.
As a typical HR hypocrite, I have mixed strong opioids and benzos before (Fent + Triazolam mainly), but really only did so when either the opioid quality was low, and thus not providing the subjective high I was aiming for, or my tolerance to opi's was much higher than my benzo tolerance - neither seems to be true in your case so I really would advise against the combination. Having personally OD'd after mixing respiratory depressants, I can't stress enough just how thin the line is between "high" and "dead".

I would personally wait to use the Valium after the H, and definitely not before, after 12 hours or so it should be relatively safe; if you're chipping.
However, if you're physically opioid dependent; those Valium will be of much more use when withdrawing than using.

Please stay safe,
Sprout.
<3
 
Everybody does it. I'd throw in some promethazine too, but that's how I gave myself radial neuropathy.

I'd say as long as your doses are reasonable, it's okay and you're extremely unlikely to come to harm. Throw booze into the mix, however, and it becomes dangerous (yeah, I do that too).

Bearing in mind you're new to heroin and #4 can be tricky to dose, though, probably best to wait until next time.
 
SproutOnSmack said:
those Valium will be of much more use when withdrawing than using.
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QUOTED FOR TRUTH. You will regret munching through all your blues, when the gear runs out. Try to keep at least three nights' worth back to get you through the worst of the withdrawal.

Though as a general rule, you should not mix drugs, even in combinations reckoned to be "safe" (and there are many combinations of drugs that should never, ever be mixed at all), until you are familiar with the effects of each on its own. And preferrably, never get that familiar with the effects of either opiates or benzodiazepines. Do as we say, not as we have done.
 
Sammy G said:
Everybody does it. I'd throw in some promethazine too, but that's how I gave myself radial neuropathy.

I'd say as long as your doses are reasonable, it's okay and you're extremely unlikely to come to harm. Throw booze into the mix, however, and it becomes dangerous (yeah, I do that too).

Bearing in mind you're new to heroin and #4 can be tricky to dose, though, probably best to wait until next time.
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I'm not sure if you're taking the piss or not..:?

Incase ive missed the sarcasm..Lots of people do it, yes.. I've done it.. Does it make it a good idea, no.. With no tolerance to heroin, high purity heroin at that, can you explain what the point of mixing benzos at all is?? Even promethazine?

They're more than likely - correct me if I'm wrong - using alone also, heroin tends to be like that, or with someone equally as inexperienced, do you still agree it's a good idea to potentiate an already potent drug with a mix that kills lots of people, because, everyone does it??
 
I layed off the H for a few hours whilst smoking, had a few vallies and let them hit and go past the peak, just had 3 smallish bumps and feel good now.
Touch wood I should be fine, gonna keep myself awake for a bit longer just incase as I hear sleeping when 'nodding' or still quite high is dangerous.

Last question, is it common to get itchy on H? Cos I keep scratching!

Thanks for all the advice though guys!
 
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sorry to bump but anyone? This itching is so damn annoying? Must be a way to stop the itching on H??
 
Don't have any of that to hand but I guess I'll ride it through, vaping some hash has eased the itching a bit. But glad to know that isn't abnormal to be itchy I was a bit worried for a second haha
 
Julie, I thought 6-MAC was a sufficient allergen as to induce regional anaphylaxis when consumed at even tiny doses, as opposed to the typical localised histaminic response induced by many opioids? Given 6-MAC is a contaminant when the Morphine from Opium is poorly isolated and the other alkaloids insufficiently removed before acylation, it is, as far as I am aware, an issue mainly associated with "Black Tar" Heroin and other crude concoctions. I imagine any chemist willing to produce Heroin HCl/#4 instead of the cheaper, easier and faster options, would be smart enough to ensure that minimal, if any, Codeine was present in the Morphine isolate.

Most opioids will induce the itchiness you are experiencing, clord0 - particularly the true opiates (Codeine and Morphine), as Julie suggested; many take anti-histamines to combat this, and the older AH's will also reduce the nausea and potentiate the experience by increasing sedation.

Stay safe.
<3
 
lurching said:
Nitrous oxide (laughing gas) is not a stimulant, it's more like a narcotic sedative that can be trippy/dissociating. I've never used it with heroin but using it with any strong respiratory depressant doesn't sound completely safe. I guess the buzz could be nice if you get it right.
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Yeah don't know why I said that actually, obviously nitrous isn't a stimulant. I wasn't feeling entirely with it when I posted that ;) I'm sure I heard that nitrous and h mix well though, may have to give it a go.

And yeah as everyone has already said, itching is normal on h. Pretty sure you always get it to some extent? I always do at least.

You seem to be being sensible with it at least so enjoy <3
 
Thanks, I've found a bit of weed is the best way to ease the nausea over the last few days.
What is an anti-histamine? And is that something I can buy over the counter?
 
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