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Heroin Questions about effects from a non-user

Majickmaja22

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Hi all. I'm just looking for some info to help me better understand what is going on with my boyfriend. I knew he had used in the past, but I believed he was clean and have never suspected use in the past 2 years (and I've been paying attention). Last week I knew he had used right away even though he denied it. It didn't seem to affect him too badly, so convincing myself it was a one time slip, I let it go. Yesterday I brought it up again and he finally admitted it, then went out and did it again. I let him know it's his choice, but I don't want to watch him do it.

Anyhow, the question I have is related to how he acted later. Super argumentative (the conversation was not related to use) and he didn't stop itching all night. According to him though, it wasn't the heroin, it was ingrown hairs and pimples caused by my shower water. How long does the itching typically last? Then, he didn't sleep at all until about 6 am when I gave him some antihistamine to stop the itching.

Supposedly he used at noon and claims that none of those things were related to heroin because the high only lasts a few hours. How long after use will the drug still be affecting you? Is it possible that he was doing it while he was home with me from 4 to 10 AM or would symptoms still be happening if he only used at noon?

Finally, I've read about nodding out as a symptom, but he just looks sleepy. Is there a chance it's something else?

Any info would be appreciated! :) TIA
 
it could be ANY OPIATE that leads to nodding; esp. for a rookie user. how long do you think he has been using for? do you think he sniffs it or shoots it? (thats if we are talking heroin). if pills, he may just swallow, ya never know. what makes you think heroin over all other opiates, tho?

the high runs differently on all people; esp. based on their tolerance. what might last only an hour with me could last 8 hours with another person, you never know. so if he was nodding/itching come night time, then I'd bet my life he used that day or night, who knows.

could it be something else aside from nodding? well, he could be TIRED. but was he always tired? also, you mention he was itching; well, that is another sign of use right there, so nodding and itching, 2 basics when it comes to using opiates, esp. for a newbie. his voice may get groggy as well; he will also NOT BE USING THE BATHROOM TO SHIT, lol. yes, I said shit, but if hes using opiates he surly will NOT BE SHITTING!

good luck w/ this all; there is really nothing we can say to really help you approach your BF. you know him much better than we do, but chances are he is SURLY USING!
 
Lies, lies...not good in a relationship. Addicts will lie to cover their use.

Thing about heroin is, these days, no matter how much you think you know, it's cut with all kinds of crap, which means he could have been itching from heroin, or the cut.

Is he taking benzos? Hope not, you shouldn't mix benzos/heroin, or heroin with other drugs.

Ask him, have him explain, knowledge is power. Find out his ROA, learn about Narcan and what to do in case of an overdose. This is important.

Lastly, make a decision to stay, or go. His habit will rule his life...heroin will become his 1st love, not you. Are you prepared for that?
 
Lies, lies...not good in a relationship. Addicts will lie to cover their use.

Thing about heroin is, these days, no matter how much you think you know, it's cut with all kinds of crap, which means he could have been itching from heroin, or the cut.

Is he taking benzos? Hope not, you shouldn't mix benzos/heroin, or heroin with other drugs.

Ask him, have him explain, knowledge is power. Find out his ROA, learn about Narcan and what to do in case of an overdose. This is important.

Lastly, make a decision to stay, or go. His habit will rule his life...heroin will become his 1st love, not you. Are you prepared for that?

This is why I love this forum.
Lilikoi, you have summed things up perfectly.
This is very good advice, HR at its finest.
 
I am very sorry to hear that. It's never easy to lose a loved one,
My condolences.

I just wanted to commend you on your post. The world needs more caring, honest people!

Peace!
 
I am very sorry to hear that. It's never easy to lose a loved one,
My condolences.

I just wanted to commend you on your post. The world needs more caring, honest people!

Peace!

Indeed, more caring, loving and honest people.

Great post LilikoiMoon! :)
 
Thank you everyone for your responses. Everything makes much more sense now and he did say he wants to stop. So I'm going to give him the chance and support him through it at this point. If he doesn't stop, I will go.

I did alot of reading last night so I feel a little better about getting through withdrawl. Any tips on handling things after withdrawl is over? I made a psych appt for him for 10 days from now because I read you should wait to deal with the emotions until after withdrawl...is that correct? Also, will smoking weed make it easier or should I demand it be cold turkey? Should I get rid of any alcohol in the house??
 
I will keep him and you in my prayers. I just lost my ex last week to overdose. I posted just a little while ago about it looking for answers. I stayed around for 7 years hoping he would change. I guess I was in denial of how severe his addiction really was. This is not an easy road and when that something in your heart tells you to run, don't hesitate, RUN. In the end you will be the one left with the mess of his addiction. I wish I would have listened to that inner voice years ago. Its hard though when you love someone and they tell you they want to quit and change.
 
After withdraws, it's always healthy to change your circle of drug connected friends. Try to engage in exercising, try to identify what triggers cravings and what you can do about it. NA and AA meetings could always help.
Find your meetings and own circle as well.
 
Yes find na meetings close to you and tell him to go. You can download the na meetings finder app and it will tell you where all the meetings and times are. If he hasn't been using for a long time the withdrawal symptoms won't be as bad. I was using for 6 months the first time I quit and just spent the weekend to recover cold turkey and I was back to work on Monday. A bit of energy loss for a little while but that is nothing..
 
not to be the bearer of bad news, but if he is using, and has been using, stopping will NOT BE EASY! this is NOT going to be something he just decides to quit one random day and its all behind him from there. I would be surprised if he even decides to stop, esp. if there are withdrawals involved. its just NOT THAT EASY!

w/o you truly knowing how long he has been using and ABUSING these drugs for, its very hard to tell. also, do you have any idea on how he uses the drugs? sniffs or shoots? that is another BIG DEAL!

I wish it was that easy to stop; I truly do. maybe I'd still be w/ my EX GF but I decided to leave her, which was a favor to her, because I was a fucking mess and ruining my life and hers.

you need to speak w/ him and see if he will actually give you any information. try to find out more about what is actually happening here. how long has he been abusing the drugs, if at all. how much does he do? how much does he spend? there is just so much more to find out and so much more to actually go through.

its funny to read what some people on here write as if it will be easy, saying after withdrawals to change circle of friends, etc. I assume those people have never been through it themselves; well, I have.. many times! and its complete fucking hell!

not trying to make it sound worse than it is, but just letting you know the reality of it all.
 
@BostonBrownTown...thank you for sharing. I am preparing for the worst while hoping for the best :) Today he wrote a letter to himself with all the reasons he wants and needs to stay clean. He claims the past two times were the first in two years...who knows. He shoots...is that worse or better?

Today is day 2 of no use. He worked from 3pm to 3am yesterday so he was tired and slept till 2 today. Tomorrow he is off and I'm off so i will be sticking to him like glue. From what I understand the next two days will be the worst?

We found a heroin specific support group that we r both going to on Saturday. And I took all the alcohol out of the house. Someone suggested I make him give me his paycheck which I dont know how he will react to that. His mom is coming next week to help.

Should I add anything to the plan? Other factors to consider?
 
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Before anything; I have to thank you for coming on here and trying to learn about the issue. It's a testament to both your character and your relationship that you are willing to learn and to support your partner.

From your OP, and the history you gave, I would suspect he is still using opioids. If you are truly dedicated to helping him, then you need to make yourself very clear to him. Opioid addiction is insidious, soul-destroying and sorrow-filled, it warps the mind in so many ways and encourages the deceit, the lies and the anger that is so typical of "junkies". Chances are, he has hid his use from you out of fear of losing you - so many people have such starkly negative views on this disease that they will not hesitate on walking out on those they love. I am a Junkie. I have been for over a third of my life. As a result, I have lost so, so, so many people I love, just like many others with this affliction. Eventually, one becomes bitter, you expect people to leave once they find out, you lose all trust for people who claim to care, you become the loneliest person on the planet.

One thing that keeps the cycle going is that opioid addiction in itself functions on one of the most primal levels: pain. It hurts when people you love walk out - opioids are there to cure the pain. It is depressing to accept you are a "junkie", opioids will take that pain away. The shame of doing what is necessary to continue your use? Opiated bliss will help. It is a brutal, self-perpetuating cycle of intense agony.

It is my belief that opioid addiction differs greatly from other dependencies. It takes a very particular kind of person to become a "Junkie". Objectively, opioid intoxication is not euphoric, in the way Cocaine and Methamphetamine are, it's actually quite unpleasant. You are sedated, you itch all over, your eyelids keep drooping, you fall asleep involuntarily, you are intensely nauseated, you can't urinate, you're immensely constipated, you lose all sense of hygiene, lose track of priorities, your senses become dulled and your mind becomes slow. Who on Earth would enjoy that? To me, opioids are so addictive because rather than providing a pleasurable sensation, they allow one not to feel at all. Complete apathy. And to someone in emotional turmoil, it is preferable to be numb. Instinctively, we avoid pain, physical or emotional - it's impossible to experience pain, sadness, displeasure, depression, shame and other negative emotions if you simply cannot feel at all.

I would urge you to try to get to the bottom of your partner's reasons for using, because I firmly believe that it takes an obscene amount of dedication to live as a "Junkie", and to those who continue to use, whatever they are running from is, to their mind, much more agonising than sticking that needle in their arm and risking their very life daily.

I have lost lovers. Countless amounts of money. Weight. Looks. Dignity. Self-respect. My home. Friends. Family. Aspirations and at times; the will to carry on living. However, I continue to use in spite of this, because I'd rather feel nothing at all than the darkness my mind conjures for itself.

You asked about forcing the "cold turkey" method in your post and I can't help but be blunt here, if he has an addiction to heroin/opioids, you cannot "force" anything. If he wants to use, he will use, and he will lie through his teeth if he needs to. Such is the life of a Junkie. The best thing you can do is offer your support and be entirely aware that this will possibly be the hardest thing he has ever faced, and it will be almost as difficult for you. If you try and force him to do anything, it is likely he will feel very negatively towards you, and act as such. By nature of association, if he sees you as the driving force behind the pain he experiences, he will be more likely to relapse. After all, Heroin takes the pain away. But if he sees you as a solid supporter of his actions, if he has the determination to get clean, and if you remain strong for him - the odds of him quitting are much better.

I cannot give experience on "life after addiction" as I have never made it past 6 months, but many posters on this forum have gotten clean and remained that way. You can read their tales at your leisure. Various methods of quitting are available, the "cold turkey" approach is arguably the most painful, and the figures for remaining clean are quite low. However, some will maintain that an abstinence-only approach is the most viable method. It differs in every case. There is also Opioid Replacement Therapy to consider, in which a doctor prescribes an opioid, often Methadone or Buprenorphine, which is taken daily at a dosage which doesn't provide recreational effects, but is sufficient to mitigate the bulk of the withdrawal symptoms. This can be an excellent way to alter other factors in one's life before quitting opioids entirely. Others may suggest tapering his use down over a set period of time to reduce the severity of the WD, by spreading it over a longer period than simply quitting cold turkey. One issue with this is if he is using Heroin primarily, it is next to impossible to know the exact dose he is using given black market narcotics are not regulated. Thus, if he used 500mg/day one week but only used 450mg/day the next, if the second batch is of higher purity, he may be increasing his dose. There is no way to know, but switching to pharmaceutical opioids will allow an exact dosage to be ingested each time.

I wish you and your partner the very best of luck, whatever happens.
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Thank you for that response. Like I say, he stated to me he wanted to quit before he used for the second time (that I knew of) and he also said it again while he was high after I asked him "what are you doing to yourself?" I told him that if he doesn't stop of course he's going to lose me, but he needs to decide to stop for himself. I told him I will support him now and any future relapses as long as I know he's not hiding, lying or denying and he gets help right away.

I find it really hard to question everything he says. I would imagine that hurts him and he did get a little angry when I kept questioning his story. Do I believe what he says when he tells me that when he used in the past it was sporadic or is it denial? I don't know anyone from his past who could tell me the truth.

I know we need to take it one hour at a time and I will trust that he will stay clean until I know he's used.

Also how bad do you think the withdrawl will be if the use was truly only twice in the last week? He said he wasn't in any pain...just seemed sad.
 
Also Sproutonsmack when i said demand he go cold turkey i meant should I tell him smoking weed can help and make sure he has access?
 
Honesty and transparency will be vital, and don't delude yourself that it will be anything but incredibly difficult.
You have the option to walk away, he doesn't. You are correct in that it is ultimately all his choice, if he isn't completely ready to quit then it is futile.
One vital thing I forgot to add is that he will need to make massive changes to his life. Addiction has a habit of becoming the focal point of one's life, I imagine most of his friends are users of some form, and though turning one's back on friends is difficult, his odds of success are greater if he isn't surrounded by temptation and triggers. Deleting numbers of anyone associated with the 'trade' is strongly advised, though don't be surprised if he knows them by heart.
I've moved across the country countless times to try to start fresh without any access to opioids, but always found a way. One of the oddest things I've experienced during my sober stints is just how much spare cash you have when not spending hundreds every week on self-destruction.

It may be a good idea for your boyfriend to register here, too. It's a great place to vent, to learn the best methods of action and we have some of the most knowledgeable and supportive members possible.

<3
 
Also Sproutonsmack when i said demand he go cold turkey i meant should I tell him smoking weed can help and make sure he has access?
Ahhhh, my apologies. I associate the term with abrupt cessation.

Some find Cannabis helps during WD, particularly with the aches, nausea and boredom. Though be aware that anxiety is a major effect of WD so Cannabis, being anxiogenic for some, can exacerbate the problem.
 
Like some of us have already mentioned, this is not going to be easy and relapses happen. Addiction is a medical malfunction so I suggest you too look for groups of support.
My condition made me a manipulative person. I started using due to a medical need and escalated to recreational, before started to really hurt my loved ones.

I'm sober now but my family went through a lot. More than they could carry.
It's also heathy to draw lines and do not let yourself get so full of agony.
Find your own ways to avoid getting near your ultimate limit.

Love makes us think we can bare more and we tend to look the other way, tolerate more than we should etc.
All I'm saying is for you to realize your own limits before you get there!
Wish you both good luck and success.
Erik
 
Yeah. I have been reading all day and the more I read, the less hopeful I become. Symptoms of diarrhea and farting? Yeah he's had that over the last few months allegedly from too much dairy. Now I know better. I printed him out an article about itching as a symptom and he said he honestly thought it was the water while it was happening. I honestly don't know how much he knows about this kind of stuff (he doesn't read English and doesn't really know about computers) so I'm going to show him some stuff so he will not be able to make excuses. I'm trying to remain positive that we can get through it, but I'm definitely scared. He doesn't seem to be too worried yet, but he was really quiet today (is it hitting home that this is the end? or is he secretly planning his next score? :?

Anyhow, tomorrow is day 3 of no use, which I've read 3 and 4 will be the worse. So we'll see how that goes. In preparation, we've got blankets, several pairs of pijamas, Immodium, gallons of water, lots of movies, multivitamins, meditation music cued up and ready to go, epsom salts for baths, extra cigarettes (does that help?), the option to go to yoga if he wants, NA meetings tomorrow and Friday night and a heroin specific meeting on Saturday. Is there anything else I should consider having on hand? If he feels he can't make it, there's the option to go to a detox center for additional support (we're avoiding that for now so he doesn't have to miss work). For after WD, we have a psychologist appt set up, and he said he thought meetings would be a good idea. I know that after will be the hardest so is there anything else we should be thinking about? For my part, I can only encourage him and try to help him find something good in the day. I didn't talk to him about direct depositing his paycheck into my account, though I think that would help. We are working on a list of activities that he enjoys that will help him keep his mind off things.

As for my bottom line, I am already sure what it is. As SproutonSmack wrote above, having loved ones walk away is hurtful. His past is full of abandonment issues and I know from experience how much that hurts. So I don't want to be another person who didn't care. That being said, I won't watch him do this. If he gives up during WD, I'm done. If he makes it through and ends up relapsing, I'll support him as long as he comes clean and gets back to sobriety. After that, he's on his own but I'll still maintain contact and encourage and let him know I still believe in him.

Any other tips or things we should consider, please let me know.

Im seriously doubting we're gonna survive this which sucks cuz I know the man he can be and who he wants to be, but I can't imagine a life waiting for the worst to happen everyday. What a mess :p
 
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