Bali Nine Australians Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran to be executed together in Bal

Execution: Why we find it so terrible

My flesh crawls with revulsion; my stomach heaves. My imagination is on overload. It haunts me. I cannot get the idea of the execution by firing squad of the Bali nine duo Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran out of my mind. I even dream about it at the moment. It hangs over me like a terrible storm cloud. There is a vivid image of bullets tearing into flesh, exploding the beating hearts within. I can hear the gurgling as the still-conscious men painfully drown in their own blood over several interminable minutes.

I even imagine becoming the condemned, counting my final heartbeats, savouring each of my last breaths, experiencing the crystal clarity in my living mind of how infinitely precious life is, as I wait in abject terror for the bullets, or the trapdoor opening and that short fall into eternity as the noose brutally, loudly snaps my neck, or experiencing utter paralysis when my blood catches on fire as the barbiturates kick in, or actually feeling that first huge surge of electricity as I am cooked, flames shooting from my temples, in an electric chair ... it's all very real to me and has been for most of my life.

I have lived through this before: waiting for the execution of Kevin Barlow and and Brian Chambers in 1986 and Van Tuong Nguyen in 2005. It does not get any easier.

Look, I have no truck with drug felons - and I know at least two who are serving lengthy sentences for their crimes right now. These two men have no souls, the pair of them - pure evil. They would kill as quick as look at you. Devils on legs.

Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran are hardly the most appealing of men, either. Faces tell a story: Chan has an off-putting perpetual sneer while Sukumaran looks to be the kind of man not to run into in a back alley on a dark night.

That said, I do not believe they should have to die for their stupidity.

Forty-eight years ago, Australia hanged Ronald Ryan. I have read several accounts from witnesses to his hanging, not least by the illustrious journalists Evan Whitton and Ron Saw and also by Brian Morley of Radio 3AW. Do read these, if you can stomach them. Each powerful account confirms everything I feel about capital punishment. It is abhorrent. It is barbaric. It has no place in our world.

It is no coincidence either that their graphic accounts ultimately led to the abolition of the death penalty in this country even though the intention was clearly to make a law-and-order example of Ryan. The Victorian premier of that time, the redoubtable Henry Bolte, alone could have granted Ryan a reprieve but, because he believed law and order was electorally popular, politics won the day.

Ryan's hanging was a unique, media-witnessed modern day event; the full horror of it played out in newspapers, radio and on television across the nation - and most Australians had no stomach for it. Some 10 years later on the anniversary of Ryan's hanging, I interviewed then Sir Henry Bolte for television on his farm at Bamganie long after his retirement and asked whether he had any regrets about the hanging. He had none. None whatsoever. He was a tough, gruff old bastard, a farmer like many I knew as a kid. In hindsight I failed to ask him a question that I should have: how did it feel to have the power of life or death over another human being?

Fast forward to Tehran, February, 1985. I am in the chambers of two Iranian judges who had presided over the murder trial of a man known as Mustafa the Butcher, which had concluded 11 days earlier. One was the religious judge who ensured that the law of Sharia was correctly applied during proceedings. The other was a judge whose job it was to administer Iran's civilian law. Procedurally, the verdict is not handed down at the end of these trials but given at a later date. I had been given unprecedented access to the trial even to the extent that we were able to move at will around the court and film the whole event, cruel close ups et al of the brutish Mustafa as he struggled to defend himself, drips of sweat or fear falling from the end of his nose. The case against him for murdering his business partner was watertight which was quite unsurprising, given that Mustafa had murdered another man several years before and sent to prison for it although he had been released after the Iranian Revolution in 1979.

"Have you reached a verdict in the trial of the man known as Mustafa the Butcher?" I asked.

"Yes," replied the religious judge with a faintly sweet smile. "He is guilty. He will be hanged."

His words resonate to this day: "He will be hanged." It was made even more chilling by the fact that Mustafa, sitting in his cell out at Evin Prison, had not yet been informed of the verdict nor the fact that he was to be hanged - although I felt he would not be surprised.

I paused a moment and then asked: "How does it feel to have the power of life or death over another human being?"

The religious judge smiled again: "Iran is a beautiful garden. Mustafa is a weed. He must be plucked out."

I learnt that Mustafa would be executed towards the middle of the year; we were due to leave Iran at the end of that month, a fortnight away. Amazingly, I was then offered the opportunity by the judge to film Mustafa's execution if I returned from Australia with my film crew when it took place.

In truth, I would have done it for no other reason than it would send a powerful, confronting anti-capital punishment message out to the world. Personally the idea sickened me; I knew it would affect me for the rest of my life, just as the execution of Ronald Ryan had affected those reporters who witnessed the event.

"We could bring the date forward," offered the kindly judge.

To shorten the life of a man - even a convicted violent murderer - by even a minute merely for the prurient television cameras is something I would never be a party to. Never, ever, ever, never.

"Thank you, but no," I replied.

Now my point: the execution of Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran should be made a media event, not a clandestine act of barbarism hidden away in a jungle at the midnight hour. Bring in the cameras, feed the event to the world and expose it to the light for what it is: a state sanctioned brutal murder of two stupid young men.

Something good might come of that.

Leonard Lee is an author (The Zilch! Factor); an animation screenplay writer (Blinky Bill) and an award-winning documentary maker (A Question of Prejudice) - article source from smh.com.au at 11:15am 4/3/2015

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Bishop confirms she proposed prisoner swap

Foreign Minister Julie Bishop has confirmed she proposed a prisoner swap agreement in an 11th-hour bid to save Australians Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran from the firing squad.

And Prime Minister Tony Abbott has put in a request for one "final call" with Indonesian President Joko Widodo to press him to change his mind.

News Corp Australia reported on Thursday that Ms Bishop had "a very tense phone call" with her Indonesian counterpart, Retno Marsudi, in which she pleaded for the lives of the Bali Nine duo.

It says Ms Bishop proposed a deal in which Indonesia would pause the execution of Chan and Sukumaran while the countries explored a potential prisoner swap arrangement.

Ms Bishop confirmed she had talked to the Indonesian foreign minister about a prisoner swap, but would not provide any details of the proposal.

"We are seeking opportunities to explore every option that might be available to us, every avenue that might be available to save the lives of these two men," she told reporters after a candlelight vigil in Canberra on Thursday morning.

"I'm waiting to hear back from the foreign minister. I spoke to her about it, and she undertook to provide that information to the president."

Chan and Sukumaran on Wednesday spent their first night on Indonesia's "death island" Nusakambangan, after being transferred from the Bali jail that has been their home for the past decade.

The pair do not know how long they will wait to face the firing squad, but Mr Widodo has said they will not be executed this week.

Mr Abbott told reporters he had requested a final call with Mr Widodo to again push for the men be spared.

"I can't guarantee that that request will be met," he said after the vigil.

"We respect Indonesia and we honour the friendship that we have with Indonesia, but we stand up for our values and we stand up for our citizens, and these are Australian citizens in extremis."


Read more at http://www.9news.com.au/national/20...bid-to-save-bali-nine-duo#PDDRdPK7XYF6AO69.99
 
Prayer vigil in Melbourne for Chan and Sukumaran

This Thursday evening (5 March) a group of Christians will gather at Bayside Church in the Melbourne suburb of Cheltenham to hold a prayer vigil for Myuran Sukumaran and Andrew Chan, the two Australians facing the death penalty in Indonesia.
This morning, news broke that Chan and Sukumaran have been moved from Kerobokan Prison, where they were held for the past 10 years. The pair were taken to Nusakambangan Island, where executions are carried out by firing squad.
Rob Buckingham and his wife Christie – pastors of Bayside Church in Melbourne – have known the men for the last few years and feel keenly their imminent execution.
“We are going to be praying for hope for Andrew and Myuran of course,” says Rob. “Also for their strength and peace.”
Rob has had regular contact with the men over the last few weeks and last night communicated with Andrew through some mutual friends.
“Andrew continues to be very up-beat and positive. He’s like that as a person. His faith is very strong. From the beginning of our friendship he’s always said to me, ‘for me to live is Christ and to die is gain’. So for him it’s a win-win. But his preference would of course be to live and continue his work.”
“Knowing Myuran, he’ll be dealing with it very quietly, coming to terms with these as his last few days of life,” says Rob.
Of the prayer vigil Rob says, “it’s important that we pray. While there’s life there’s hope. We will continue to pray for a miracle.”
“But not everything works out as we hope or expect and we need to have a good theology of suffering. God never promises that everything will work out as we’d like it to.”
The prayer at the vigil will not be limited to Andrew and Myuran and their families and friends, but Rob says they will also be praying for the Indonesian President, Joko Widodo and the Indonesian authorities.
“We want to make our prayers respectful, and pray that they would truly see how reformed Andrew and Myuran are. That they would find it in their hearts to grant clemency and mercy to the two guys.”
Rob says that he’s received some vicious social media critiques because of his stance against the death penalty for Myuran and Andrew.
“We’re not asking for soft justice. The death penalty doesn’t just punish the guilty but the innocent as well, particularly families and close friends of the victim.
“This is about being fair. I think we can have both justice and fairness without having the death penalty,” says Rob.
The prayer vigil will be held at Bayside Church in Cheltenham, Melbourne. All are welcomed to come and pray.

http://www.biblesociety.org.au/news/prayer-vigil-melbourne-chan-sukumaran

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no. life outside of indonesian law for drug smuggling (internationally/domestically) generally bears a 10-15 year sentence (and rightfully so). although in mr chan and mr sukumarans case (carrying 8 kilograms of heroin FROM indonesia TO australia); capital punishment/death by firing squad by indonesian law is the outcome. there is no justifiable circumstance to conclude that these men, after serving 10 years imprisonment without misconduct and gracefully reforming themselves (and others) as now grown assed men with greater perspective deserve to be fatally gunned down.

NO western culture supports capital punishment on the basis of solely drug related crime. simply because its understood and acknowledged that its an outdated, inhumane and archaic practice. sure there is punishment and consequences for unlawful action; but death in brutal conditions as a consequence for illegal drug trade after respectfully serving the length of your lawful appointed prison sentence is an injustice.

i will never respect this decision.

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I think the sooner they are executed the better, its a foregone conclusion anyways. South East Asia is no longer the bootlicking confedertation of bottom dwellers it once was and its about time they flexed some muscle.

They committed a crime, they were tried, sentenced, and now they will die. Hopefully without doing any further damage to Indonesias international relationships.
 
Bali Nine executions: Andrew Chan, Myuran Sukumaran transferred to death island

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EVEN during the major operation to shift Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran from Bali to Java, Indonesian officers on the flight treated the condemned men like tourists attractions.

In a callous disregard for the gravity of the matter, at least one officer took a photo of himself smiling with the Chan, who was clearly distressed.

Clearly, Chan had no choice but to comply with the pitiless and unthinking officer.

Though the Indonesian police and military did their best to prevent the media getting images during the transfer, they had their own phones out in force, snapping pictures of the tragic pair.

The photo of the officer on the plane on yesterday morning’s flight, which was published on Kompas.com, is a new low in what was a farcical event.

http://www.news.com.au/world/asia/b...-to-death-island/story-fnh81fz8-1227248353841
 
Paradise for terrorists: 36 Bali bombers that killed 92 Australians are walking free

92 Australians were killed in the 2002 and 2005 attacks

All 36 terrorists who were not sentenced to life are now free

Five men form the two attacks remain behind bars

Up to 100 more terrorist could be free by next year

FOR the survivors of the Bali bomb attacks it is a terrifying tally, but for the families of the 92 Australians killed it is simply heartbreaking.

All 36 Indonesian terrorists who were sentenced to anything less than life for their parts in the 2002 and 2005 bar and restaurant attacks, which killed a further 130 victims, are now free.

And up to 100 more terrorists convicted for other attacks on local and western interests in Indonesia will be freed in the coming year, according to a leading expert.

Only five men from the two Bali attacks remain behind bars on life sentences. Indonesia’s Justice and Human Rights Ministry said they were not entitled to remission or clemency.

t definitely sucks when someone who was involved in killing people, including seven of my friends, and injuring me so badly, is out there.
Phil Britten

Close to 50 people, most of them members of hate group Jemaah Islamiyah, were involved in planning and executing the 2002 Bali attacks. Most served sentences ranging six years or less to 18 years.

They include the men who recruited the suicide bombers, drove bomb-laden vehicles or built suicide bomb vests, to plotters, financiers and others who sheltered the world’s most-wanted terrorists.

Those now free include Abdul Rauf, who was sentenced to 16 years for recruiting the 2002 Bali suicide bombers, and Mohammad Cholily, who assembled the three suicide bomb vests used in 2005.

This year and next year about 50 to 100 will be released. Some of them are quite senior figures. We should be really concerned
Solahudin

Cholily was released last year after having 11 years cut from his 18-year sentence.

At his trial in 2006, Cholily expressed regret that he had been forced to reveal the location of bomb expert Dr Azahari bin Husin, who advised on how to make the 2002 and 2005 bombs, and was gunned down by police in 2005.

“I feel guilty, because my words caused the death of a man,” said Cholily, referring to terrorist Azahari rather than the 20 people, including four Australians, who were killed died in 2005. Masykur Abdul Kadir, who helped the bombers rent a house in Bali and drove them around surveying targets, was released in 2010 after serving seven years of his 15-year sentence.

Anif Solchanudin, who sheltered terror mastermind Noordin M Top and helped plan the 2005 attacks, was released in July last year after also serving only seven years of his 15 years.

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“It’s an emotional thing to hear,” said Phil Britten, who was inside the Sari Club with mates from Perth’s Kingsley Football Club when the bomb exploded. Britten lost his front teeth, 60 per cent of his skin to burns, and a lot of friends.

“It definitely sucks when someone who was involved in killing people, including seven of my friends, and injuring me so badly, is out there.

“They are all to blame. So many people who were involved in Bali are still feeling it now.

“I know dads who have lost their sons. We’ve still got the memories and pain of what was. Yet these guys can get on with their lives.

“They’re probably still happy with what happened.”

I know dads who have lost their sons. We’ve still got the memories and pain of what was. Yet these guys can get on with their lives.
Phil Britten

Cont -

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...are-walking-free/story-fni0cx12-1226904341271
 
Bali Nine executions: Andrew Chan, Myuran Sukumaran transferred to death island



EVEN during the major operation to shift Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran from Bali to Java, Indonesian officers on the flight treated the condemned men like tourists attractions.

In a callous disregard for the gravity of the matter, at least one officer took a photo of himself smiling with the Chan, who was clearly distressed.

Clearly, Chan had no choice but to comply with the pitiless and unthinking officer.

Though the Indonesian police and military did their best to prevent the media getting images during the transfer, they had their own phones out in force, snapping pictures of the tragic pair.

The photo of the officer on the plane on yesterday morning’s flight, which was published on Kompas.com, is a new low in what was a farcical event.

http://www.news.com.au/world/asia/b...-to-death-island/story-fnh81fz8-1227248353841

Why are we imposing our standards on the Indonesians? Their country is their rules. Not saying I agree with it at all though.
 
^ the view from the moral highground must be great.

in breaking a law isn't really respecting a law, is it?

i'm pretty astonished by the lack of compassion on display in a thread like this. especially in a community like this.

alasdair
 
^ the view from the moral highground must be great.

in breaking a law isn't really respecting a law, is it?

i'm pretty astonished by the lack of compassion on display in a thread like this. especially in a community like this.

alasdair

im not. the only three opposing parties to the sentencing are athousandwords, harmacologist and birc001.

the unity within the community in this case and message of harm reduction/ social and personal injustice/ anti war on drugs is otherwise very strong.

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indeed.

harmacologist, how do you reconcile indonesia moving forward with these executions while simultaneously petitioning for the release of indonesian nationals on death row in other countries?

alasdair
 
indeed.
harmacologist, how do you reconcile indonesia moving forward with these executions while simultaneously petitioning for the release of indonesian nationals on death row in other countries?
alasdair

sorry i know this was directed to harm but i think the unifying statements in most of his arguments has been a soverign nation has the right to decide its own laws. people who willingly choose to break them in a high risk high reward scenario and lose have no ground to stand on after the fact. indonesia, malaysia, singapore, and vietnam, are all countries who have clearly defined themselves on this issue. if foreigners continue to traffic in drugs in these places they will continue to face execution as per the law of the land.

what indonesia chooses to do in terms of advocating for their citizens facing death row elsewhere is besides the point. they may in fact be advocating for their release in order to execute them in country, or throw them a party, or give them a reality tv show, its immaterial why they do this the point is they are allowed to as a sovreign nation.
 
You sound like a sheep mate. So you are OK with places that stone people to death for having an affair and whatever else, because you know 'that's their laws'...

Jesus.
 
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