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He said the more he learned about science the more he believed in God.

And no agnostic person would say something like "I'm only interested in God's thoughts, the rest are only details".

That's not ambigious. And when I was an agnostic I certainly didn't think things like that. It was more like "Maybe God exists and maybe he doesn't, but either way, I don't really care".

Why would he say he "bowed" to the master Peter Deunov if he had no faith in God?

When his whole life's work was to bring people closer to God.
 
You've misquoted him.
He didn't say "I'm only interested in God's thoughts."

I can't find the context of the quote "I'm interested in God's thoughts... the rest are details," but the ellipsis implies that something has been removed.
I need to see the quote in it's original context.
 
methamaniac said:
"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones"
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Is that about nuclear weapons, because he says that he doesn't know. I always read it differently...(musing)

The Theory of Everything was pretty mediocre tbh. 2 stars. Excellent acting from 'Steven' but the movie was tedious.
 
I think it means that the phase after nuclear weapons will be so devastating that the entire world will be destroyed.
Nuclear weapons were used during World War II, and Einstein died in 1955.
 
"I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details."
 
^What does he mean by God though? I'm pretty certain he doesn't refer to Jehovah...

ForEverAfter said:
I think it means that the phase after nuclear weapons will be so devastating that the entire world will be destroyed.
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But he says he doesn't know with what weapons world war III will be fought so he can't be talking about nuclear weapons....Am I reading this incorrexctly?
 
Ninae, thanks for the context.
The more I read about God and Einstein, I am persuaded to agree that he did believe.
He certainly had more patience for theists than atheists.
And, there are a lot of quotes - throughout his life - indicating that he believed.

I'm happy to say that I was wrong.
(Funny how one of the greatest minds throughout history came to believe in God, through logical processes.)

What does he mean by God though? I'm pretty certain he doesn't refer to Jehovah...
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He doesn't believe (logically, mathematically) in a "personal God", but - then - he never had a transcendental experience in which he directly encountered God... His belief isn't based on religion or personal experience. It is based on logic. He believes in Spinoza's God. (He is, essentially, pantheistic.)

But he says he doesn't know with what weapons world war III will be fought so he can't be talking about nuclear weapons....Am I reading this incorrexctly?
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He doesn't know with what weapons WW3 will be fought. That is the (hypothetical) post-nuclear "next phase of weapons" I was referring to, after WW2... Yes, you're reading it incorrectly (somehow). Take a moment to think about it. It's not a particularly difficult quote to decipher.
 
I think it goes a little further - he doesn't know what WW3 will be fought with but whatever it is will be equal or more powerful than nuclear and that will be the end of civilisation, and from there we will be back to sticks and stones.

Man has never stepped back from his weapons and those who wield them always find an excuse to use them.
 
willow11 said:
^What does he mean by God though? I'm pretty certain he doesn't refer to Jehovah...
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I don't think he practiced any mainstream religion so he wouldn't be what most people considered religious at the time. He talks about "the mystical experience" and that it was what made him consider himself a religious man. Sounds like he had some personal experiences of God, maybe encountered through his work.

At any rate, I'm sure he would have been a great philosopher and would probably come far if he had devoted himself to that. But he seemed concerned that he wouldn't be viewed as an irrational Creationist and had found that science supported his feelings.
 
Ninae said:
You're also not very imaginative. If I recall correctly you can barely stretch your mind around any spiritual concept. You manage to make Journeyman sound like one of the 12 diciples.

By the way, do you care about how many people are hurt or how many wars are fought for drugs? Does it get in the way of the enjoyment you can have from them? If you have so much social conscience, why don't you campaign for the whole drug-industry to be demolished, which would make this world a better place?

The truth is that people don't really care much about anything outside of themselves. If they have a problem with religion it's more about how it effects themselves and their own emotional life. Any arguments they can think of are mostly used as a way to justify that.
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Oh dear Ninae.

I understand the spiritual concept, in my opinion, actually very well.. But anyway..

Demolish the whole drug industry? Isn't that what the war on drugs is trying to do?

Arresting people for drugs is an attack on their freedoms.. I'm sure we all agree so i wont rabbit on about my views on the drug war..

My problem is with the power that ORGANISED religion has over people and the harm that follows SOME (sometimes ALOT) of the time. I have no problem with people believing what they want to believe.. if it makes them happy or helps them to become a better person then hey - great. But organised religion is used to push a particular view on to others, a lot of the message, the push of the view works out ok.. Care for the poor, show kindness, etc.. But sometimes the view being pushed is negative - Homosexuals are "wrong", abortions are an act against god, etc.. And sometimes they really bad - Women are lesser than men, they are here to serve man and raise kids, they have little to no rights.. and sometimes they're fucking awful - Kill non - believers / believers of other religions, kill homosexuals / transgender / etc, kill women who sleep with a man outside of marriage (which, alongside their complete lack of rights and lesser status than men means that rape victims will be seen to have done), etc etc..

And no religion hasn't caused a negative effect to my personal life.. I was raised in a household in which I was left to decide my own beliefs about the world..

I think you've said yourself you dislike organised religion?
 
Ninae said:
It's not really that far off. Saying that religion as a whole is responsible for wars is like saying the medical system is responsible for all the malpractices the medical board decides on. That may be a part of it, but there's also a lot more going on.
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I didn't say religion was responsible for wars..

And, as i say time and time again, in MY opinion, religion causes MORE harm than good..
 
Yes, but everyone understands the problems of organised relgion. How come so many people feel they need to point it out like it's never ocurred to you? It's pretty much a given.

And when people defend religion, unless they're fanatical followers of a faith, it's usually the religous impulse in human nature they defend or the good things that can be found in a religion. It's like you use the same arguments for everything.
 
I point it out when asked about what i believe or attacked because of them..

What do you mean I use the same argument for everything?
 
It's getting old, Rick.
How many times are you going to repeat yourself? You don't like organized religion, we get it.
It's seriously boring listening to you repeat the same obvious shit, over and over again...

Maybe you should spend less time in threads about organized religion?
I don't like boxing, so I don't frequent boxing forums.
It's pretty simple, really.
 
ForEverAfter said:
It's getting old, Rick.
How many times are you going to repeat yourself? You don't like organized religion, we get it.
It's seriously boring listening to you repeat the same obvious shit, over and over again...

Maybe you should spend less time in threads about organized religion?
I don't like boxing, so I don't frequent boxing forums.
It's pretty simple, really.
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I like this. You are the guy that invented a load of bollocks (entertaining bollocks mind you :D)) and then chose to get offended when people rightly called you out by questioning the truth of your statements. It would seem you are easily annoyed or bothered and expect people to actually care about what you want them to say. Given your apparent intolerance for criticism or perceived slights, I find your above post pretty weird. I too dislike religion but I enjoy discussing it. And I truly think this forum would be dead boring if it became some sort of circle jerk of agreement.

No-one is forcing you to read his posts if they upset you. He is doing nothing that many religious people on this forum don't also do; that is, push their opinions in every thread they post in. Yeah, perhaps he needs some fresh material, but if you can only counter with insults, has he not won?

Has he not won?

(repetition to add grandeur and imperial authority- did it work?



did it work?)

Hmm :)
 
Nothing offended me in the trans-racialism thread... I had to remain in character.
It was more difficult than I anticipated to remain in character, but I felt like I had to commit.
I wasn't remotely upset or offended throughout that entire thread.
I did it for the amusement value (yours and mine).

I don't know why you're assuming I'm offended, here, either.
It's just boring, repeating the same shit over and over again.
It wasn't interesting the first time.

That is my opinion and, like you said, "no-one is forcing you to read (my) posts".

I don't know why Rick is posting the obvious over and over again.

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The Bible has some antiquated things to say about homosexuality.
Wow, really?

You're blowing people's minds!
Why don't you repeat it a couple of dozen times, in all sorts of different threads?
Although, to save time, maybe you should just cut and paste it.

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If he had anything interesting or original to say, then I wouldn't complain.
It's just, honestly, boring the shit out of me.
And it comes across as a little patronizing.
There's nothing more to it than that.
 
^Fair enough, its just that you seemed kind of angry in your response. So I thought that implied offense.

FWIW, this song is beautiful. A more enlightened society would use music as currency.

 
A more enlightened society would use music as currency.
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What about deaf people... or people with different tastes in music?
I'd be a little upset if someone owed me money and they just played me some shit-box song.

Huh? What about that?
What you're saying doesn't even make any FUCKING sense!

You should slither back to the hole you crawled out of.
God damn it. Why should I have to tolerate your incessant shit?

You are unworthy of my time, you mother fucking son of a bitch!
If I had a knife I'd cut you so good.

























...and, scene.

;)
 
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I admit.. I did go on a bit of a mad one in this thread..

To be honest i barely remember writing it.. I hadn't read it until just now - couldn't remember what it said.. To be honest, although i still believe what I said - I don't see religion as the scurge of mankind to the level i used to, and especially don't feel the need to point out the evils in scripture whenever I hear someone say something like "God is love".. So am surprised I wrote that post at all..

Then I think responding to posts addressing my original one (Ninae) set me off in a pavlovian conditioned kind of way.. went into autopilot.

In a forum where new members join often and create their own threads, the questions and topics repeat themselves, my answers and opinions will follow.. There's a new thread about astral projection every half page, demons come up a lot etc etc..

I'm sorry if the rest of my posts annoy you.. people tend to dislike information that doesn't fit in or work with the reality they believe in..

And I truly think this forum would be dead boring if it became some sort of circle jerk of agreement.
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I don't know about now as I'm barely on bl any more but there was a time when that was the case.. The only opposing views would come in posts of "Consciousness is nothing more than a manifestation of the physical brain" or "Ghosts aren't real" with no stated reasons or information to leave the thread and never return..

There was a thread where somebody thought their mentally ill friend was possessed by demons and they were thinking about stopping their medication and doing an exorcism and for at least a page there was very little if any disagreement with the prognosis..

And you're at least a little angry - Nobody writes such lengthy posts about something that's boring the shit out of them.
 
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