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The Ferguson Thread: Part II

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I just skimmed a Time article that seems to corraborate that "races" exist, based on frequencies of genes, and that it may lead to populations behaving differently. It didn't imply superiority, but for instance, that European and East Asian populations may have evolved to weed out certain, "anti-social" gene set-ups, that weren't so selected against in other populations for instance. This is the essense of race realism... Not to imply superiority, which I may have seemed to here, but that there are differences and we are not just lumps of clay, solely dependent on environment.

Also, we are judging these other peoples, how they apply, with how they function in a society derived from Europeans, which, people will argue have just as much difference among them as they might from a person from Chad or Niger or Pakistan or Southern Iraq, but this is not true at all. European peoples can more readily mix and not be offended by each other- their cultures can mix much easier than from outside. There is a "European" identity, more or less beyond, individual country, State, Etc... Just like I had an identity growing up and was competitive with people from other towns, but we all belong to the same state, or region, and further, Nation. I had in-group feelings with my neighborhood, then in-out with other hoods, then town, then state, then region, then Country, not necessarily in hierarchial order. Its complex, and im not explaining thoughts perfectly, but its there.

...We judge them on how they apply to OUR framework. How they function in our society. How they learn. Its hard to explain, but clearly, I wish they developed and could continue to develop on their own natural path. Not apruptedly shift to an entirely new gearbox, or what- the lot of them. And not for such "diversity" to exist so close to each other, such as what is occurring in England and other Euruopean places. that one risks drowning out or overpowering, or simply posing threat to the other... because people DO recognize and form and are FROM distinguishable 'groups'.

Anyways, I'm rambling a bit, in thought.

I hate mass immigration.

Hate.

Hate.

Hate.
Maybe there should be a more appropriate thread. But I wish Africans stood strong in Liberia/Whereever. Wish they had their own success. Not that I hate them, but as a group, they need it. And this is a mess, what happens in Ferguson, that will only continue, as long as we remain separate. As far as I can tell. And I want to remain unique and separate for unknown, perceived, and suspected reasons.

In other, related news, I heard that Oxytocin, while being known as the feel good hormone, and facilitates bonding... Also has activity with in-group and out-group processing and behaviors. I have a homozygous mutation on SNP Rs53576... OXTR gene. This means I already lack empathy, or at least, that's what scientific observation suggests. I wonder if my own "racism" has something to do with this. I've read of it being associated with such. This is not to say I'm "wrong" when I stand to my guns on belief (observation) of differences in people. Just that I'm not, naturally, as willing to extend "in-group" status to many, perhaps.

I apologize... This post is more of a personal nature/reflection.

Time on Oxytocin: http://healthland.time.com/2011/01/13/how-the-love-hormone-may-contribute-to-racism/

Time on Race:
http://time.com/91081/what-science-says-about-race-and-genetics/
 
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I totally get the wink. Don't think I'm implying they're peace-loving any more than a bee (or not)... But the dynamics that funneled to them are surely different than other places.

Another link to a story about oxytocin and in-group/out-group yada:

http://time.com/49399/oxytocin-racism-study/

Ah.. And about the "wish they were in Africa" or parallel that I said, that's not quite realistic, I know. On one side I like the spread. On another, I want to slow down, and think.

And the reading linked on oxytocin, doesn't directly say racism is in-built... But that the programming for it is, and has real functions. That's what I take from it. The unequal dynamic is partially to blame for the push for "equality" in all formerly white dominated countries. The smaller group would feel like they have to be of that larger group. Its an unfair dynamic, what Blacks have been placed into, for instance. Not just for Blacks, but in a special sense for them. The pressure is different, because like someone else said (I forget... ebola?), they have a "marked" status.

I don't know.

I just wish for more ideal circumstances. And I wish that we could become more self aware and direct ourselves differently.

But as the Buddha says, this is all a mistake, more or less.
 
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realtalkloc said:
You need more friends outside of your race, and don't tell us you have plenty because if u did you wouldn't have so much hate for immigrants. Try spending some time off bluelight, the world is a cool place.
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What does immigration have to do with having friends from other races. For all you know, he could be opposed to immigration from European as well.

I have plenty of friends of many different backgrounds and races and that came to the country recently, that doesn't mean I would support more immigration with no practical limits on it.
 
realtalkloc said:
You need more friends outside of your race, and don't tell us you have plenty because if u did you wouldn't have so much hate for immigrants. Try spending some time off bluelight, the world is a cool place.
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what 23 has said publicly that black people make him uncomfortable. i wouldn't waste your time...

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I was about to edit it out. It is racial on my part, but I wouldn't even want the mixed American to flood Germany or England. I don't care about America actually, as far as peoples composition, not like when I think about Europe, at least not right now- at least, in this instance for us I am not bothered. I would perceive a majority Islamic population to be threatening, or even a sizable, here. Right now we aren't even 2%. Individuals I don't have much issue with. Groups... Groups are a different animal. And often people do form "racial" groups. Or they are moved about as such. So there is that.

I use hate differently. I can't hate them (immigrants). I know why they come. I would too. Its a natural flow. But the action, I hate what it means for natives. I dislike greatly, mass immigration. I never said I "hate" immigra(nts).

I was watching a show where some guys lived on a dollar a day, in Guatemala. I saw these Mayan people struggling to adapt to an alien culture... And system. Wearing factory manufactured clothing and using plastic to gather water... Living in the jungle.

And I don't find living in the jungle "bad". But that they are now falling into a system which may lead them to migrate from their homes, like so many others... It's at least a double edged sword. It destroyed their way of life, and while offered something, it hurt a lot. In a way I kind of think of interactions of cultures peoples so distant as like the Federation in Star Trek not wanting to disrupt pre-warp civilization, and like our hesitation to disrupt the last uncontacted tribes. There are still so many things that are possible in our diversity, and I only wish... To preserve that potential.

I wish for self awareness, and respect. Availability where we are. Grow food everywhere. Adapt the work days so that everyone gets to work the communal gardening and environmental renovation, if they can, and get free or greatly reduced cost vegetables. "Migrate" to a new system. Less on plastic throw away stuff, and more on sustainability. Slower. More active, walking, hand-work, bad food (sugar loaded chemical laden etc) is made illegal... Or simply nobody wants it.

Right now the western system- the peoples that I seem to be siding with, it is their, largely, beginnings, that are lending to the imbalance. Not to pin blame or anything. The waves have just gone this way.

Ah... This thread is Ferguson. Basically, people will be different, sometimes.
 
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Escher's Waterfall said:
In this thread, a lot of white people not from Eurasia tell us how they hate immigration, without intending any irony.
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I'm not an immigrant, my parents weren't immigrants either, what does it have to do with this? How far back do we go? By this metric, European's would be ironic for complaining about immigration their ancestors from 4,000 years ago might have been Adam and Eve in Africa.
 
Escher's Waterfall said:
Are you a creationist?
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I don't want to pigeonhole my philosophy into being a creationist.

I'm a businessman and frankly I don't have a good understanding of carbon dating or the other "science" that presumes to know the age of the world or the method behind the creation.

As crazy as the idea of God might seem to some people, the idea of a bunch of rocks crashing together and happening to create all of the organisms on earth is equally far-fetched.

For the record though, even "Native" Americans likely immigrated to the continent, they were not all born there if you go back far enough. It's one of those silly far-left rules "you're grandparents or parents were immigrants, you musn't criticize immigration policy". I'ts almost discrimination if you ask me, that only "Native's" can have objections but European voices are silenced.
 
There's some thought that Europeans had settlement here before. That there may have been an earlier landbridge. Native populations that havent admixed recently had/have up to 30% DNA in common with what is considered European. The Hopi and the Mesoamerican civilizations have legend of a "white" man, who taught...

The Native Americans themselves already have an earlier European admixture, possibly, from mixing in a culture prior to crossing the land bridge. I read something about that anyways. It offended some tribal leaders/they had trouble but others accepted it. So I read.

Anyways, I'm really not worried about them. I don't feel so opposed even though I know we have to adapt. I don't know... If we could have a better system, and end the war on drugs, I wouldn't mind unifying in a sense North America, Central America, and South America (in a way). It would be awesome if we became advanced enough to allow for a free society. Neutral, in a sense. The war on drugs does need to end, though.

But then there is still the threat of Islam.
 
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What 23 said:
Anyone see about the Black guy who tortured and executed two White kids, who apologized to Mike Browns parents and Eric Garners family about not getting justice and said "hands up don't shoot" and "black lives matter" at his sentencing, instead of using the time to say something like sorry to the parents?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jan/22/detroit-man-who-murdered-two-white-teens-declares-/
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Seems like the Ferguson "hands up don't shoot" movement is alive and well.

Funded by George Soros to the tune of $30 Million, the campaign was popular amongst vandals and looters a few months ago, now it's catching on with callous murderers.
 
Escher's Waterfall said:
Are you a creationist?
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LosBlancos said:
I don't want to pigeonhole my philosophy into being a creationist.

I'm a businessman and frankly I don't have a good understanding of carbon dating or the other "science" that presumes to know the age of the world or the method behind the creation.

As crazy as the idea of God might seem to some people, the idea of a bunch of rocks crashing together and happening to create all of the organisms on earth is equally far-fetched.

For the record though, even "Native" Americans likely immigrated to the continent, they were not all born there if you go back far enough. It's one of those silly far-left rules "you're grandparents or parents were immigrants, you musn't criticize immigration policy". I'ts almost discrimination if you ask me, that only "Native's" can have objections but European voices are silenced.
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I'll take that as a 'yes'
 
LosBlancos said:
I don't want to pigeonhole my philosophy into being a creationist.

I'm a businessman and frankly I don't have a good understanding of carbon dating or the other "science" that presumes to know the age of the world or the method behind the creation.

As crazy as the idea of God might seem to some people, the idea of a bunch of rocks crashing together and happening to create all of the organisms on earth is equally far-fetched.
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So you admit you don't understand the science, yet you think the science is far-fetched?

For the record though, even "Native" Americans likely immigrated to the continent, they were not all born there if you go back far enough. It's one of those silly far-left rules "you're grandparents or parents were immigrants, you musn't criticize immigration policy". I'ts almost discrimination if you ask me, that only "Native's" can have objections but European voices are silenced.
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I'm just pointing out the irony of being of recent descent from immigrants, yet using a lot of the same objections that people not too long ago had about your own ancestors.
 
Escher's Waterfall said:
I'm just pointing out the irony of being of recent descent from immigrants, yet using a lot of the same objections that people not too long ago had about your own ancestors.
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I wouldn't have an issue with even an actual immigrant acknowledging their needs to be a limit on the flow of immigration. Most Americans are either immigrants or recently descended from immigrants, so I guess no one should say anything about the issue, just allow mass-immigration from any country, any person and they are eligible for food stamps, Obamacare, and housing assistance. A large criticism of many people is that America is the police-force of the world, but I suppose to many it's actually the world's police force and homeless shelter/soup kitchen. An uncontrolled immigration policy along with generous benefits programs means higher and higher deficit, an unsustainable model of operation.
 
when the word "science" is used in inverted commas, alarm bells should ring

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