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EADD Heroin discussion v.20 -- You've come a long way baby

Literally a case of the needle and the damage done. I said I would never ever get to Femoral vein injecting....and here I sit waiting to go to A&E with an abscess that hasn't responded (they never do with me) to antibiotics. I am in absolute agony.

I know I'm going to be put under, which is something i'm terrified of, as it always takes them a lot to get me to sleep, and for some reason they chose to do it in the operating theatre last time, first abscess they didn't, and because the gas wasn't working, I started to panic. Hopefully this time, they'll work out my doseage required properly.

So....next time I pop my head in here i'll be abscess and heroin free, as i've been doing well ish past few months, apart from the seem to do well, then huge relapse happens that lasts three weeks, I lose about a stone, then clear myself up and settle back on my script...stay okay for a month, then repeat relapse. That's not happened yet in 2015, and I'm hoping they'll keep me in hospital this time as it's going to be a delicate operation on my groin so even more time to get clean and stablise on my meth!

Good to hear from you CCF, especially following the fright we all had back in the autumn following that cruel bullshitty post. I have to say tho, you still cause concern, as everytime you pop up you seem to be sporting an injection related injury or have some awful experience to share. We can all sympathise with the stable/relapse merry go round, but without trying to sound condescending isnt it time you try and look at your injecting behaviour, even if you cant permanently stay away from street gear. Over the course of our habits, we all draw ourselves lines that we tell ourselves we wont cross, but we all do it anyway. However, femoral / jugular injecting really is the end of the track - you may survive this sort of behaviour, but even if you do, there is literally nowhere left to go (unless you can find a dodgy phlebotomist whos prepared to resite you a cannula every 48 hours)

Ive had a habit for ten years , but its only over the past 2 that ive seriously started to piss about with IV (one of my lines i said id never cross) Even so, i managed to keep it to a minimum, my usual shopping trip involves aquiring 5 - 10 0.1 bags, after a quick test id crank the first bag and then continue to top up the buzz by chasing the rest, rarely would i inject twice during the same session. By keeping the needles to a minimum, i managed to hold on to the use of the easy sites in the crook of my elbow and my forearms, rotating from left arm to right on consecutive occasions. As soon as my arms started to show wear and tear, id give it a rest for a few weeks to prevent permanent track marks scarring my arms. On the odd occasion where i couldnt guarantee a registered hit, id quickly transfer my shot to a 5/10ml spikeless barrel and plug the fucker, rather than damage my arms in a panic. Far from ideal, but it saved wasting the shot, and as i always use as little citric as possible and due to the infrequency of this ROA, ive manged to avoid bum burn so far :X

But then i found that i did have a limit, a line i would not cross. Back in October, I managed to blow out part of the basilic vein in my left arm following a missed hit (dont laugh, im sure everyones done it even at simple sites). My arm now looks like a roadmap with all the new veins that popped up as the blood re -routed around the injury, and although I avoided an abcess the site is now thrombosed and rock hard. Instead of making use of all the juicy new lines available to me, it actually made me think about the damage I had done, and I havnt attempted an IV since. I stufffed all my unused works, stericups and citric into spare sinbins and took them all back to the chemist. Ive had some amazing experieces chasing the dragon over the years, and not once have i managed to so quickly and permanently damage myself via this ROA. I hardly used over the christmas peroid, but since new years eve ive managed to achieve some of the best highs (and nods!) since before the drought.

To cut a long winded post to the point, its my opinion that the quality of the gear by me has recovered to pre drought strength, and is pefectly smokable while providing a satisfying effect. I hope your surgery goes well Cherry, but please let this be the last of your horror stories. Apply some HR - Golden crescent no.3 is perfect for smoking, so if you are faced with a lapse, for gods sake fuck the spikes off and have yourself a nice mellow toot. Even with a methadone script, tolerance breaks can be achieved with regards to street gear, and i guarantee you will be able to get high from smoking alone. If you have a genuine needle fixation, deal with that on its own terms, as its not necessarily mutally exclusive to your habit.

Happy 2015 everyone. Lets see if we can keep the RIP threads to a minimum

Stee
 
Literally a case of the needle and the damage done. I said I would never ever get to Femoral vein injecting....and here I sit waiting to go to A&E with an abscess that hasn't responded (they never do with me) to antibiotics. I am in absolute agony.

I know I'm going to be put under, which is something i'm terrified of, as it always takes them a lot to get me to sleep, and for some reason they chose to do it in the operating theatre last time, first abscess they didn't, and because the gas wasn't working, I started to panic. Hopefully this time, they'll work out my doseage required properly.

So....next time I pop my head in here i'll be abscess and heroin free, as i've been doing well ish past few months, apart from the seem to do well, then huge relapse happens that lasts three weeks, I lose about a stone, then clear myself up and settle back on my script...stay okay for a month, then repeat relapse. That's not happened yet in 2015, and I'm hoping they'll keep me in hospital this time as it's going to be a delicate operation on my groin so even more time to get clean and stablise on my meth!

I have always had issues with my veins,which is why I have only ever IV'd maybe a dozen times in my 20year career as an addict.
When I was in hospital in August,they needed a good vein for surgery,so they used an ultrasound scanner to find one,but all they could say is that the veins were too small.and even the consultant from ITU couldn't get one.he managed to get one small vein in my wrist for my drip but it was constantly drifting in and out of the vein and was very uncomfortable.In the end,they had to choke me out(google the 'choking game')-so i had 4 people applying pressure to my neck to knock me out,then they quickly put a line in my neck before I could come round.
regarding gas,I always fight it so much,cos I'm so scared I'll come round halfway through the procedure,that they wind up doing nothing and just focussing on making sure I come out of it.
So yeah,I had this line in my neck for the surgery and whilst i was under,they found a deeper vein for my drip.They removed the line in my neck before I came around.
All this without having abused my veins.So for someone like you,CCF,it could be just as/even more difficult to put you out.
In your position,I would be really quite afraid.Once they know you are an addict,you do get judged by some of the nurses and doctors.I was ok as I am prescribed morphine and have not been using recently.So,they knew I had a prescribed habit.They also gave me an epidural to help manage post op pain,but all that gave me was a numb left leg.they gave me a patient controlled morphine drip,but already being on 400mg a day and having that tolerance,made the drip pretty much ineffective.Just some things that I am sure you are aware of.
I know you have been lectured enough,but they are right and they are just concerned for you.
I have known people lose limbs and one who continued to inject into his stump and died, and almost lost my arm myself on one of my very few IV ventures,where septicaemia took root and wound me up in hospital for 2 weeks on IV antibiotics and having the dead flesh cut out every day-that didn't hurt cos it was dead but it sure stunk.I could see the bone and the vein running through my arm and my hand was ok,so I was convinced I would be ok.But they did say that if I had come a day later,I would have lost that arm,so I had 2 weeks restricted to bed,to think about how my life would be with one arm.
Since all this,I have decided that I would only ever IV again if I was using something that was made to IV.And since then,I haven't touched a pin.I do see it on vids and feel a little nostalgic but it isn't going to happen with all the crap they cut into the gear we get now.
I sincerely hope you can get past this and not become another one armed or one legged friend.
 
How you doing Kat, sorry i havnt been in touch, did you have a good christmas? I was actually quite busy over the festivities, cooking, cleaning and babysitting my mom. Cars poorly as well which is a pain in the arse, any missions ive conducted have had to be by bus, which isnt great when you live in the middle of fucking nowhere. My 'shopping' trips into Whitmore Reans now take 4 hours minimum. On the plus side, the tackle ive been scoring is fucking rocket - and its still only a 5'er a bag, and its been so good that ive only had to get 3 or 4 at a time, with my brain generally fried before ive finished the second one. Its been a long four years , but im finally back to the stage where im regularly coming round with tinfoil stuck to my forehead. Ill write you proper once i get hold of a real computer and keyboard, all my posting and lurksurfing has to be done through smart tv at the mo.

Speak soon

Stee x
 
As I see it gear gas gone down in price and up in strength since before the drought - as now i can get .4 for 15 or .6 for 20 and only need two of the .2 bags to get off. I have just finished a 4 week run and am gonna wait till friday till i score again. Going to the docs tomorrow and havent even opened last months bag of phy pills so got a nice pile of those for an emergency.
 
im still getting good gear too atm. weights are pre drought prices but deals are still the same price post drought. Lately ive noticed felling about dizzy, disorientated after a good hit which i can never remember happening before, i dont know if its cus of the strength or some dodgy cut, its good tastes harsh to smoke and get pins n needles off a gud shot, so im not sure why this is. Has any1 else ever encountered dizzyness after a hit?
 
im still getting good gear too atm. weights are pre drought prices but deals are still the same price post drought. Lately ive noticed felling about dizzy, disorientated after a good hit which i can never remember happening before, i dont know if its cus of the strength or some dodgy cut, its good tastes harsh to smoke and get pins n needles off a gud shot, so im not sure why this is. Has any1 else ever encountered dizzyness after a hit?

Probably general wear and tear mate - you cant expect to shoot heroin indefinitely and not experience any ill effects. A good poke will always dramatically reduce your breathing rate, id say that the inevitable consequence of this will be dizziness and eventually hypoxia, especially if you smoke cigarettes as well.
 
It's the longest I've managed in awhile, to be honest.

I have something in mind as a good time for another suck on the tinfoil nipple, and I'm going to see if I can make it till then. What I'm absolutely not going to do, though, is beat myself up if I do fall off the wagon.

The absolute worst is scoring a week's worth of gear, once a fortnight. Been there. Stayed too long ..... Needing this break.
 
Managed to maintain a single days or weekends use for about 3 years or so, with the longest break being about 3 weeks - keeping me technically clean from a physical sense and totally primed for the full range of buzz, from a tolerance point of view. My only ever overdose (so far..) was during that period, rock bottom tolerance, without the perverse protection that a full time habit provides.
 
I have come to realise that when i score a teenth or an 8 ball,it is only the first nights smoke that gets me gouching.
subsequent days just keep you drifting but really don't get you that stoned
i haven't scored for about 2 months,but have decided that if i do,i will just buy enough bags for the first night then fuck it off.
as I am being massively overcharged for underweight items then even more reason for this
 
cheers stee at the back of my mind i was thinking that, u know run down body after years of abuse, ido smoke aswell. Il google hypoxia was it.
 
I have come to realise that when i score a teenth or an 8 ball,it is only the first nights smoke that gets me gouching.
subsequent days just keep you drifting but really don't get you that stoned
i haven't scored for about 2 months,but have decided that if i do,i will just buy enough bags for the first night then fuck it off.
as I am being massively overcharged for underweight items then even more reason for this

Totally Kat - even when i was using fortnightly with rock bottom tolerance, whenever i got an 8 ball in, i would smoke it continuously untill it was gone. My tolerance would rise so quickly that i would go from a perma-nod to headaches and no effect within 72 hours.
 
As I work I have to be fairly strict with my usage so its normally .3 in the morning and .3 at night and I always gouch after smoking.
 
I have never been a goucher
like i say,it's only that first night after not using for a month or 2
so no point in buying any more than .8 probably
 
As I see it gear gas gone down in price and up in strength since before the drought - as now i can get .4 for 15 or .6 for 20 and only need two of the .2 bags to get

Wow .6 for £20 , you can't get better than that. That's two good boots.

It was only 18 months ago that .25 was the avg. bag for a twenty note.
 
Week Three half over. And what I am feeling is not a craving, so much as an anticipation of things to come.

Of course, there is still a chance I could lose the plot when I score again. And it's not inconceivable that I could get sent on a "third party" scoring mission before my planned scoring date (though, this side of the four week mark, I'd make my excuses and politely decline).

But for now, I'm almost enjoying being clean.
 
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How do you get on with Withdrawals Julie? Do you have much of a habit when you stop?

It takes real strength to stop the way you do, you should be proud of yourself :)
 
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