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Explain Judaism

If Christ was alive today, he would do the same thing to modern Christianity that he did to ancient Judaism.
The OT predicts the coming of the messiah and the reformation of Judaism, but you can't both accept it and remain Jewish.

Christianity is Judaism 2.0
 
If Christ was with us today I think he would present a new teaching which most would struggle to even imagine to understand.
 
I don't see why.
His teachings were quite simple.

Religion is corrupted over time. People learn to manipulate and take advantage of holy texts.
We just need a reminder, sometimes, what we should be doing.
Hence, the cleansing of the temple / money changer analogy.

There was nothing particularly complex about Jesus' teachings.
Nor is there anything particularly complex about morality / piousness.

If Christ was "alive" today (if there was another messiah) he/she would create a third religion that neither the Jewish people nor Christians would accept.
 
It´s not about religion but mostly about respect, altruism, kindness, acceptance, patience, etc. Values in life that makes a difference for others too.
These virtues makes who you are and there´s nothing manipulative about them. It does not matter if you are a Christian or not.
The goodness inside you is basically what matters.
The urge to debate became so radically silly that makes so many good things go hidden.
 
I'm very interested in what I think is called "The Holy Spirit" which used to be described as "The mysterious force" in Christians. Not that it's necessarily connected with Christians but more with someone of higher consciousness who are close to God. When you see it with your inner eye it looks like a bright glow about them, almost physical, and very pure and kind of crystalline in nature.

Much more common in children but it can also be seen in a few adults.
 
Ninae said:
If Christ was with us today I think he would present a new teaching which most would struggle to even imagine to understand.
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He said everything he needed to say, did what he needed to do and they nailed him to a cross in a crown of thorns with a spear in his side. A lot of it is hidden in non-canonical texts, my favorite (as i've said) is the Gospel of Thomas.

How do you claim to know this by the way?
 
I didn't mean it literally like that. I know he preferred to express himself in a simple way (although most of it has been re-written and made more inacessible).

But his teaching is still quite hard to get your mind around. Not because it's so hard to understand but it can hard to always relate or feel the same way. Anyway, people in general are more educated now, and I think he would be able to teach us about much more than the basic core-teachings he focused on.
 
You can't look at Judaism through the filter of Christianity. There is a whole oral tradition to it that makes the old testament much more sane and reasonable than the literal reading (which is the entire problem with Christianity)

However if you aren't born Jewish I don't see the point in being a noahide or converting unless you are going to marry someone of the faith. They seem to dislike converts like Zoroastrians (which is actually a plus in my opinion) It is a fascinating religion though and you can learn from the teachings without being actually being Jewish.
 
noone1 said:
You can't look at Judaism through the filter of Christianity. There is a whole oral tradition to it that makes the old testament much more sane and reasonable than the literal reading (which is the entire problem with Christianity)

However if you aren't born Jewish I don't see the point in being a noahide or converting unless you are going to marry someone of the faith. They seem to dislike converts like Zoroastrians (which is actually a plus in my opinion) It is a fascinating religion though and you can learn from the teachings without being actually being Jewish.
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What makes you think they don't like converts?
 
The Quaballah is worth a look.

But then the inner mystery traditions of most religions seem to have a lot in common and even differences out.

I've even read texts by Islam mystics which I enjoyed, they were on a very high level, and there was nothing I could object to in it.

Anyway, the esoteric traditions is where the real worth lies.

The mass religions not as much.
 
I don't look at Judaism through the filter of Christianity.
On the contrary, I (we) were objecting to the suggestion that Christ was a rabbi... and explaining my (our) reasoning.
By saying Christianity is Judaism 2.0, I don't mean to imply that it is an improvement. (Sorry, it wasn't clear.)
 
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Also, I once read a description of the Devil by a famous Islamic mysticist, which I can't recall or find the text now. But it was sure something different, and interesting.

From what I can recall, he described the Devil much like a beautiful angel of light, very pure, with cold, blue eyes. He was perfect in all ways except he was lacking in the Love principle. So he was very cold, and without compassion, but this was so he would be able to perform his job.

He described his task as destroying that which gets in the way of the wheels of creation. To test the weak, and destroy them. This sounds a lot like the idea of the Devil as The Accuser, or the one who accuses you before the throne of God, while Christ will speak to your defence.

I found this to be a more unique description, although I don't know if this would be the same being as is normally described as the Devil, or the root of all evil. It sounds more like someone performing a necessary function for God. I guess we all have to be held accountable in some way by someone with the heart to do it.

Wish I could find the text as it was very interesting.
 
Very true and very much alike some parts of The Christian definition on the devil in the Bible.
It suggests the same logic as if the evil could only perform their task by "dressing" differently in a way that one could be almost attracted to it.
I believe we all have capacities to see what is not good for us. Sometimes it may take a while, sometimes you can even be cheated. But it's in our nature to make the good and the common sense prevail.
 
viridarius said:
What makes you think they don't like converts?
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Google Judaism discouraging converts. I'm not sure if it's necessarily part of the religion but the culture has definitely evolved to that. I think it's inevitable with a religion that ties in with ethnicity. Also I don't think it's that bad of a philosophy. If you can get past it then you probably are meant to be Jewish. Religion should be taken seriously.
 
I can mange to understand the Devil in 3 different ways.

1. The blameless accuser of God who no one can really fault
2. The personification of darkness, which I don't think can be one but many, as darkness is just distorted light and there is no creator or source of darkness.
3. The lower animal nature inside a human, or The Beast Within, which is capable of all kinds of evil.

That's pretty much it. I can't identify Lucifer the fallen angel with the Devil anymore. I think his name was just lent to glamourise it as it sounds much more impressive if the head of evil was once God's most exalted angel.
 
I agree, it could also be something often said which is in ourselves we have the good and bad side.
Although I´m pretty sure the bad side is quite limited by education and example. And by living a life without anger, radicalism.
Nowadays radical thinking has gone so far..
 
I think the Lucifer myth has had a horrible effect as many might think "If falling into darkness was good enough for God's highest angel it must be good enough for me".

"He chose darkness over light so it must be better".

Very tricksy.
 
I think the Lucifer myth has had a horrible effect as many might think "If falling into darkness was good enough for God's highest angel it must be good enough for me".

And "He chose darkness over light so it must be better".

Many souls are so deranged they think like that. Very tricksy.
 
Ninae said:
I think the Lucifer myth has had a horrible effect as many might think "If falling into darkness was good enough for God's highest angel it must be good enough for me".

"He chose darkness over light so it must be better".

Very tricksy.
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No, more so it's actually thinking Lucifers philosophy through and why he did it. If God is truly omniscient then he knew Adam and Eve would sin and thus his sacrificing Jesus for our supposed sin makes him a monster as he knew it would happen and that he would end up with immortality and infinite power. A little suffering is nothing to a God, he could have simply forgiven Adam and Eve. This makes the devil the hero as he knows he will fail but fights against the tyranny of God anyways.
 
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