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New Lysergamides....

There's a new lyergamide undergoing tests, it'll be released soon. I've tried it twice & it's properly active. As far as I know I'm still sworn to secrecy so I can't name the compound. Suffice to say it's completely novel.

As far as a quick ban goes. I doubt it. I suspect that the authorities had been planning an aMT ban for some time, at least a couple years. The fact that the lysergamides are also tryptamines meant it was quite easy to tag Al-Lad & LSz onto the aMT legislations. Unless there's any obvious reason to target tryptamines again, such as when media reporting of the fatalities & widespread use of aMT in Legal Highs brought it to the attention of the authorities, I wouldn't be surprised if it's some time before they pick up on any new lysergamides.
 
Well, the Tryptamine-NBOMe's are being studied by good ol' Doctor Dave as we speak.
Partial agonists as opposed to PEA based NBOMe's, too...
 
Si! great reading your report on the secret compound :P

however, remember the authorities will know this is available at least as soon as the buyers are... the ban is just a matter of time though. but such is the way with these things. at least we re lucky to be living in a time when this is possible to happen at least.

20 years ago it would have been impossible for such projects to get off the ground
 
well, I live in hope that I'm right & you're wrong ;)

Seems there's a fair few pages appearing today with this compounds name on them, so I stuck a report in TR's & hope I havent jumped the gun...
 
sounds very promising indeed. Cant believe that this is happening in 2015. There is some hope for humanity after all! :D
 
I do have an awful feeling that P-LSD has been released so soon that even the ACMD might cotton on to it being withheld until the AL/LSZ ban.
Certainly a bold move, I just hope its release doesn't spawn U.S. style analogue acts.
 
Does 1p lsd?
Ive always thought you needes chemists and a lab...



... getting coat
 
Badum tish!

Got us five tabs of 1P-LSD, been reading the first lot of trip reports and waiting for a couple more before we give it a go. All looks good so far, and we got three weeks off so wanna give it a go soon. Anyone know dosage relative to AL-LAD, LSD, LSZ etc?
 
Ahhh I am so envious of you snolly! Badum tish! Indeed :D

Hopefully, I'll get some of these soon when they make it available europe wide.

From what I've read, 100ug is a good starter dose. If you've been hitting al-lad or lsz around the 225 + mark then I believe 125ug is a good shout from reports. Up to yourself of course and very fucking jealous :D

Have fun :)
 
Anyone know dosage relative to AL-LAD, LSD, LSZ etc?

Yeah, roughly -

225ug Al-Lad (1.5 150ug tabs)

150ug LSz (1 150ug tab)

100ug of 1p-LSD

- all produced approximately the same strength experience, strictly in my own personal opinion of course, & with varying duration.
 
I've a question that's been puzzling me for at least a few months. I hope it's pertinent enough to fit in this thread, but the question is thus:


Considering the incogitable immensity of chemical space and the imponderable number of theoretically conceivable molecules or compounds one may synthesise, why is there such a dearth of lysergamides in existence or at least known to science?


I'm not a chemist, but a mere dilettante or hobbyist, who is baffled and lost at anything more exacting and arduous than, say, mescaline's total synthesis, so am far from capable of a convoluted synthesis of any of these complex molecules, like LSD-25 or ALD-52.


But why haven't the Shulgins or Nichols of the world—obviously capable of devising or synthesizing any compound they focus their profound intelligence and attention toward—not added anything substantive to the bizarrely paltry and nearly barren list of psychedelic lysergamides?


David Nichols, for example, has discovered an impressive array of serotonergic psychedelics that behave pharmacologically similar to LSD and its cognates. Yet, such an enviable chemistry wunderkind like himself has not been able to add much, if anything, noteworthy to the set of LSD's consanguineous compounds, but only develop pharmacological imitations without structural propinquity or molecular affinity or significant chemical consonance.


What's precluding a sufficiently erudite and gifted organic or medicinal chemist from churning out new bioactive psychedelic lysergamides or simply doing some permutation to the molecular structure of an extant compound to yield a novel derivative?


May the issue reside in the "base structure" (pardon me if the terminology isn't scientifically accurate or de rigueur) of these LSD-like compounds simply not being conducive or amenable to many theoretic alterations, modifications, etc., (like amphetamines, phenyltropanes, arylcyclohexylamines, opioids, etc) from which one may derive new drugs?


Or is the obstacle chemists face more to do with a difficulty with toying with unique configurations of these compounds, by dint of their sheer difficulty to synth or play around with molecularly?


It seems curious, because there is a seemly inexhaustible family of benzodiazepines, barbiturates, substituted amphetamines, etc. The paucity of never-before-encountered lysergamides seems so diminutive in comparison that a layman—like moi—couldn't possibly not be astonished at this unusual observation. It's outré.


To reiterate, is the limited quantity of lysergamides compared to, say, the abundance of barbiturates a result of the latter having a molecular base or backbone, so to say, that permits more alterations and derivatives than that of the former? Or is the relative non-complexity of the latter the reason its agnates greatly outnumber the former's? Is the answer some degree of both? Or is there some chemical explanation which I have overlooked or failed to mention that is at play here in this relative deficiency of lysergamides?



(I suppose my questions can be appropriately extended to other small families of compounds, like quinazolinones, salvinorin analogues, etc. But, for the sake of not diverging far from the topic of discussion, I shan't comment on these other, similarly austere chemical families.)


I'd appreciate any scientific justification that may exist for this impressive disparity between chemical families' populations. I haven't the chemical erudition to research this intriguing topic alone. My father, I'll say, is a brilliant biochemist with a doctorate from Durham, but he's thousands of miles away in Dhaka and is so absorbed in work he probably could not expend the time necessary to edify me.

Anyway, thanks to whomever reads my admittedly circumlocutory and prolix comment. It was hurriedly and extemporaneously composed, if you'll excuse me.

Tout À Vous,
Dnyanesh (NdP)
 
u wot m8?

kidding

What's precluding a sufficiently erudite and gifted organic or medicinal chemist from churning out new bioactive psychedelic lysergamides or simply doing some permutation to the molecular structure of an extant compound to yield a novel derivative?

'permutation to the molecular structure of an extant compound to yield a novel derivative' is called substitution, where functional groups are added or altered on an existing structure which is exactly what AL-LAD, PRO-LAD, LSZ and so on are.

the reason there aren't millions of them is more a matter of the biology of the receptors involved in the human body than a matter of how many variations on a theme it is feasible to synthesize. Beyond a point it is impossible to predict how any given substitution might alter the structure-activity relationship and many of the variations possible could be toxic, inactive or bind to unintended receptors in humans.

Remember Shulgin in particular was doing his work without the luxury of automated mass screening and testing his compounds in human volunteers outside any kind of medical trial framework, aswell as synthesizing these compounds himself. So he couldn't afford to take a lot of risks.

Pharmaceutical companies certainly do engage in that kind of exhaustive permutation based screening research but they aren't looking to bring recreational psychedelic drugs to their market are they?
 
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It was a joke, albeit a crap one in response to Ceres.

So please, carry on, im interested myself however not qualified to answer it or even understand the answer properly no doubt...
 
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