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The ISIS Megathread

LosBlancos said:
Reread the definition, saying I have "no critical thought capacity or comprehension" is definitely along the lines of verbal abuse/erasing ones voice from discourse.
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not all verbal abuse = dehumanisation. they are not the same thing (fallacy 1 of that post)

It doesn't say I hear "L2R demonizing when it comes to...". I was referring to people you toe the same line with, largely in lock-step with their moral-relativism (when convenient) and pacifism even in instances of encountering extreme evil that threatens the existence of Western culture. People that demonize Christians in America for something as benign as opposing birth control being covered in employee health coverage, but when it comes to condemning the actions of radical Islam you can hear crickets chirping.
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1 - i never claimed you were referring to me specifically (fallacy 2 of that post)
2 - name the people you refer to
3 - specify the instances

you really can't, can you?
 
L2R said:
not all verbal abuse = dehumanisation. they are not the same thing (fallacy 1 of that post)



1 - i never claimed you were referring to me specifically (fallacy 2 of that post)
2 - name the people you refer to
3 - specify the instances

you really can't, can you?
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Almost the entirity of the "Ferguson thread" was dehumanizing of Office Darren Wilson.

Your really splitting hairs when you say "no critical thinking and no comprehension" isn't dehumanization because not all humans do that. I'd say critical thinking is one of the key factors that separates humans from other animals. It's a laughable notion.

I'm referring to the army of Social Justice Warriors on the internet that have dehumanized Officer Wilson from the beginning, many of the posters on this board included, and most of the mainstream media.

As far as Hitler, I'd say most of the people in the world would rationally cast him as evil. Your moral-relativism is not shared by most people and we can thank God for that, if everyone shared your views we wouldn't be convicting paedophiles of serious offences we'd be saying "is this really wrong? this was acceptable in some cultures and widely practiced 1,000 years ago we should just let the guy go" or why prosecute murderers, how can we ascertain their actions our wrong when we essentially cast our moral compass into the sea and don't denounce anything as inherently evil.
 
LosBlancos said:
Reread the definition, saying I have "no critical thought capacity or comprehension" is definitely along the lines of verbal abuse/erasing ones voice from discourse.

Also,



It doesn't say I hear "L2R demonizing when it comes to...". I was referring to people you toe the same line with, largely in lock-step with their moral-relativism (when convenient) and pacifism even in instances of encountering extreme evil that threatens the existence of Western culture. People that demonize Christians in America for something as benign as opposing birth control being covered in employee health coverage, but when it comes to condemning the actions of radical Islam you can hear crickets chirping.
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You're still dodging the production of evidence that will provide proof for the claim:

I hear plenty of demonizing when it comes to discussing the Holocaust, or Officer Darren Wilson or George Zimmerman.

Show you do in fact have "comprehension" of the request and deliver a valid source data or cease debate and admit loss.
 
LosBlancos said:
Almost the entirity of the "Ferguson thread" was dehumanizing of Office Darren Wilson.

Your really splitting hairs when you say "no critical thinking and no comprehension" isn't dehumanization because not all humans do that. I'd say critical thinking is one of the key factors that separates humans from other animals. It's a laughable notion.

I'm referring to the army of Social Justice Warriors on the internet that have dehumanized Officer Wilson from the beginning, many of the posters on this board included, and most of the mainstream media.
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*scans for substance*
*finds none*

As far as Hitler, I'd say most of the people in the world would rationally cast him as evil. Your moral-relativism is not shared by most people and we can thank God for that, if everyone shared your views we wouldn't be convicting paedophiles of serious offences we'd be saying "is this really wrong? this was acceptable in some cultures and widely practiced 1,000 years ago we should just let the guy go" or why prosecute murderers, how can we ascertain their actions our wrong when we essentially cast our moral compass into the sea and don't denounce anything as inherently evil.
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no amount of abhorent activity will stop a person being a human being.

how hard is it to admit to being wrong?
 
L2R said:
no amount of abhorent activity will stop a person being a human being.

how hard is it to admit to being wrong?
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There you go with that word "wrong". So I can be "wrong" in this debate, but you won't concede the actions of ISIS are wrong? Funny how that works!

I won't deny any person is a human by definition. That isn't what moral relativism is about. It's about not having the fortitude to take a stand against what by almost all reasonable people would be considered complete and utter evil.
 
You guys aren't even talking about ISIS, either kiss and have sex already or take these shenanigans into some other subforum.

Now to get back on topic.

I usually worship Ishtar on Saturdays, sometimes, I'll make a blood sacrifice, either a chicken or some other fowl. I cut the head off with a sharp crescent dagger. I drain the blood into a bowl and let it sit for three hours, then I'll boil it and drink it. The carcass goes into the fire to complete the sacrifice.

Hail ISHTAR!
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lost blanket said:
won't deny any person is a human by definition. That isn't what moral relativism is about. It's about not having the fortitude to take a stand against what by almost all reasonable people would be considered complete and utter evil.
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Like being a racist asshole?
 
SolidEther said:
You're still dodging the production of evidence that will provide proof for the claim:

I hear plenty of demonizing when it comes to discussing the Holocaust, or Officer Darren Wilson or George Zimmerman.

Show you do in fact have "comprehension" of the request and deliver a valid source data or cease debate and admit loss.
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Want demonizing of the Holocaust? Pick up any History book.

Want demonizing of Darren Wilson and George Zimmerman? Pick up almost any magazine, newspaper or other media that covered the stories over the last year. Particularly MSNBC, The Young Turks, or the Daily Show.

This is like asking someone to cite whether the sky is blue.
 
Meanwhile back on topic. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/iraqi-kurds-launch-bid-to-retake-road-to-syria-from-isis/

BAGHDAD - Kurdish Iraqi forces launched a major operation Wednesday to retake the militant-held town of Sinjar in northern Iraq, part of a push to secure the road that leads directly to the Syrian border.

Peshmerga forces, backed by U.S.-led coalition airstrikes, moved into the town, which has been under the control of the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) since August, a statement from the Kurdish Regional Security Council said. Peshmerga fighters were able to retake at least eight small villages around Sinjar, driving "large numbers" of militants to flee to Mosul and other areas under their control, the statement added.

Peshmerga fighters have worked for months to push back the militant group, which has declared a self-styled Islamic state ruled by its brutal religious views in territory it seized across much of Iraq and Syria. Peshmerga forces said in September that they would focus on Sinjar after liberating the nearby towns of Rabia, Mahmoudiya and Zumar.
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The rest can be found at the link.

It seems like the various Kurdish forces have ISIS on the run. They definitely overstretched themselves going into Kurdish territory and when the PKK affiliated groups such as the YPG aka People's Protection Units got better weapons and more recruits the tide really started to turn. Also unlike the Shia led Iraqi army the Kurds are tough soldiers and besides they have nowhere to run to so they can't cut and run even if they wanted to. Also the United Front approach which was encouraged by people like Abdullah Öcalan the ideological leader of the PKK is certainly the best approach in this current situation. Hence why you have the Peshmerga the legal Kurdish army fighting alongside PKK affiliated groups such as the YPG.
 
Thanks PA, I'm finding it hard to get much (reliable) information on what is actually taking place in this war.
 
LosBlancos said:
There you go with that word "wrong". So I can be "wrong" in this debate, but you won't concede the actions of ISIS are wrong? Funny how that works!
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You can indeed be wrong, being as how you have made a claim and now can't back it up. This has nothing to do with ISIS being wrong or not, for i have not even commented on that matter in this exchange. Maybe you are mistaking my denial of the existence of evil with me saying ISIS are good people. That is a mistake. That is incorrect. That is wrong.

p.s. in case you forgot, my denial of the existence of evil was in response to your constant dehumanising of others.

I won't deny any person is a human by definition. That isn't what moral relativism is about. It's about not having the fortitude to take a stand against what by almost all reasonable people would be considered complete and utter evil.
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Your sarcastic post about hitler did indeed deny him the definition of human. As did the sarcastic post of your cheerleader. See one page back.

Also note that it is you that keeps brining up moral relativism. I actually specifically pointed out how that is not what i am appealing to.



LosBlancos said:
Want demonizing of the Holocaust? Pick up any History book.

Want demonizing of Darren Wilson and George Zimmerman? Pick up almost any magazine, newspaper or other media that covered the stories over the last year. Particularly MSNBC, The Young Turks, or the Daily Show.

This is like asking someone to cite whether the sky is blue.
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no it is not.

you claimed that the same people on bluelight who protect dark skinned people from persecution for their crimes are those who are quick to persecute white people of their crimes. this is a false allegation, for you can't even cite one single example.
 
L2R said:
you claimed that the same people on bluelight who protect dark skinned people from persecution for their crimes are those who are quick to persecute white people of their crimes. this is a false allegation, for you can't even cite one single example.
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Read the thread about the 14 year old being sentenced to death for killing her husband.

For some Bluelighters, Every mention of child marriage in Islamic society is shrugged off, and the Catholic Church sex scandal is brought up.
 
^ I thought this thread was supposed to be about ISIS not your crusade against Islam. Seriously take it fuckin elsewhere because it has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
 
^lol I see what you did :ad

LosBlancos said:
Read the thread about the 14 year old being sentenced to death for killing her husband.

For some Bluelighters, Every mention of child marriage in Islamic society is shrugged off, and the Catholic Church sex scandal is brought up.
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One example.

Just one.

I guess you are just full of it, then. Thanks for the proof.
 
L2R said:
^lol I see what you did :ad


One example.

Just one.

I guess you are just full of it, then. Thanks for the proof.
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You asked for one example. I gave you one.

I could go on, I mean I mention ISIS stoning gays to death, apostates, and religious minorities and you decide to mention the body count for military actions by the United States.

Every mention of Michael Brown's violent rap lyrics, robbery of a convenience store is ignored but we'll dig up a racist past of one person offering testimony and ignore the countless Blacks who supplied false testimony in the Ferguson case trying unsuccesfully to get an indictment.
 
LosBlancos said:
The Islamic State of Syria and Iraq has nothing to do with Islam, well I stand corrected.
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Well seeing as Assad is a very moderate Muslim who fought against the Islamist's you are wrong on that one. Iraq on the other hand is based upon sectarian lines as Shia's get the jobs in government as well as the army.

As for ISIS they are little more then war lords who are trying to revive the good ol days when empires where built along religious lines. But your argument has nothing to do with what is now a struggle between 2 ethnic groups. Most Kurdish Muslims are also Sunni's but they aren't joining ISIS now are they? A few in Turkey are religious wack jobs but they account for very little of the Kurdish population. Instead they are Socialists like the PKK fighting for National Liberation against the Turkish state and to a lesser extent Iraq as well. And now of course they are fighting against ISIS which is a very reactionary group.

So if it was purely about religion ISIS would not be fighting against the Kurds. Granted there are alot of Christian Kurds as well as other religions.
 
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