Screw a slow 6 month taper off Methadone, I'm jumping at 40mg.

I don't have anything but MediCal and cannot afford to see Doctors plus they are idiots and I've had friends come through for me with comfort meds where I've had docs deny me clonidine more than once. As soon as you mention addiction they put away the prescription pad and take out the rehab/detox resource papers to give me which I crumple up and toss on the floor on the way out.

I think you guys are totally overblowing how bad the WDs will be once I use 1 strip of suboxone tapered down correctly. I might still have some chills and lack of energy, probley some depression. But look at where I started. 40mg of done.

Then again maybe I'm wrong and the worst is yet to come. For some reason I'm just not buying that. I've kicked subs before yeah the WDs last long but they aren't that bad.
 
^
How are u sleeping?
When my md wds kicked in I couldnt sleep period.
Maybe 1 hour a day if lucky.
 
7 hours a night. I haven't had a night yet where I was unable to fall asleep. But the anhedonia is really annoying and I'm feeling slight depression, loneliness, and temptation to take more suboxone but I know that's a bad idea. I took 1.5mg kpin an hour and a half ago and that did next to nothing.

I did take a nap from 3pm-7pm so it might be hard to sleep tonight. But i am far from suffering and have an appetite I JUST DONT KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH MYSELF, I'm looking around my room
for anything of interest I have a PS4,books, a laptop with movies.

Right now would be the perfect time to have a girlfriend to just chill with and help me
pass the time but I'm isolated in my room and there are only so many threads about methadone/suboxone/ etc. That a person can read. Damn... Guess I'll just lay here and stare at the wall and try not to think negatively.
 
Yeah, you feel awful lonely when wding period.
I was so sick by my 3rd/4th day I didnt care about anything but a moment of no pain.
I would take an ambien to pass out just to wake up 30 mins later like I just mainlined a shot of adrenaline/anxiety speedball.
When I first read your post and saw you were only on for 3-4months I had a good feeling this would be in your favor. But from experience I know the subs are keeping you from wding completely. Im not telling you what to do. Everybody is different and you know your body better than me. Hopefully you can "step down" with the subs. I rooting for ya.
I switched to H for couple of months when I quit and used a minute amount of sub for like two weeks. Soon as sub came out of system,
I got the full whammy. Only prescip I had was a few ambien when I started. I got so dehydrated I had to go to ER on like day 5 and they treated me similar to you. I plainly said I didnt want any narcotics period just something for restlessness. I tried to be honest and rational but all they heard was- drug addict.
Luckly they gave me clonidine. It helped. I took it for like three days but quit taking it cause it caused a metallic taste in my mouth.
 
I don't have anything but MediCal and cannot afford to see Doctors plus they are idiots and I've had friends come through for me with comfort meds where I've had docs deny me clonidine more than once. As soon as you mention addiction they put away the prescription pad and take out the rehab/detox resource papers to give me which I crumple up and toss on the floor on the way out.

I think you guys are totally overflowing how bad the WDs will be once I use 1 strip of suboxone tapered down correctly. I might still have some chills and lack of energy, probley some depression. But look at where I started. 40mg of done.

Then again maybe I'm wrong and the worst is yet to come. For some reason I'm just not buying that. I've kicked subs before yeah the WDs last long but they aren't that bad.

I love the attitude<3 The truth is that me can make it through any opiate withdrawal. There really is only one thing we need to do. Just draw a line in the sand and determine we will not use no matter what. That is all it comes down to really. If we do this than our mind has no chance of changing our mind. Sure we are going to feal like hell, but that passes and then we are free from the physical dependence. I jumped 150 mgpd methadone, 260 mgpd oxy, and two weeks latter jumped 6 mg per day xan (this is dangerous so i would not recommend this without medical supervision). I didn't sleep for a very long time, I was in acutes for months. I also never stopped doing fun shit, yeah how fast i was able to move slowed to a crawl at points, but I did more shit that summer then I did last summer.

Opiate withdrawal only hurts.. it causes no real damage. If you realize what your going through is only temporary, that it will get better, and its something you going to have to do at some point, then just fucking do it.

I see people fall nicely into a classic addict funk, they end up on a endless detox. What happens is in their mind they are battling this, they are tapering and detoxing. They are cutting back to one day be free. The problem is that after ten months of "tapering" they are still just about exactly at the same place. In their minds they are addressing this and working to be off it, but in reality they are just in active use that is reduced to uncomfortable levels at times. We can fool ourselves into anything cant we.

To determine how bad the withdrawal will actually be, all you need to do is quit taking substances that effect the opiate receptors.

With getting of a substance is love the little green guys take on this..

NSFW:
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weeks and months of "tapering" or "cutting down" are only valid if there is actually a steady tapper happening. If this is not the case then we are just swallowing our own lies.

Intention and desire are a amazing positive thoughts. But they can be turned into a never ending facade we belive and promote to everyone. Look at me I doing this great effort, im trying so hard. Since it never gets anywhere what is it really. Limited use where we make ourselves feal rough, so we can perpetuate s delusion that we are actually addressing the issue and can still use.

The key to addiction is to realize you are not resisting something wonderful, but instead freeing yourself of constant misery. You have seen a glimpse of it.. the pasty unhealthy zombie like slaves at the clinic. I'm not putting these great people down at all, they are amazing people, but they are under the grip of a life shattering delusion and under the constant influence of a soul crushing drug.

Im also not putting methadone down. Its saves lives and allows people to reach a place where they can reclaim their lives. But people need to then put forth the effort and reclaim their lives. Anyone who says you cant get off methadone and live a life equal or better to a person who is not an addict is so full of shit they should smell like an outhouse. It takes effort, something that us pill poppers, skin punctures, powder sniffers, and booze guzzlers would rather avoid if we could.

Your a bright man and soul get2.. and your stronger then even you realize. Accept the pain as its inevitable and will need to be faced at some point. Its only a phase and you will push through. In a couple of weeks you will feal alright. If you take a proactive aproach and make recovery you number one goal, then in a handful of months you will feal grand and likely find yourself on the path to amazing places. If you dont then You and I are very familiar with the crap ass place and struggle you will be undergoing<3

Can you accept that our going to feal like ass for a bit, but you can deal and then you will be out? Are you willing to attack you condition, instead of sitting back and being attacked?

You got this get2, Sir your this shit. %)
 
Yeah i wonder how I'd be feeling had I not taken 2mg sub 14 hours ago. Physically I feel fine but iam severely bored and wide awake and it's pretty uncomfortable. Like I said, lay in bed and stair at shit around my room because not a damn thing but check Bluelight is even remotely interesting. This seems to be an episode iam having and I've had them coming down from cocaine and stimulants where everything's gray and flat. It makes me want to do drugs, have sex, it's crazy when the pleasure centers of the brain are like this....gah...
 
NSA- preach it brother
Trainspotting - Final Part (Original): http://youtu.be/t0D4ekTODuA

Get2,
Your very low on chemicals needed to be happy right now. I know its hard but try to tell yourself you know this isnt the real you and the real you will be back soon. I am light years away from depression since I got clean.
 
NSA- preach it brother
Trainspotting - Final Part (Original): http://youtu.be/t0D4ekTODuA

I love that movie:) I cleaned up, but the last fucking thing in the world I will ever be is a pathedic sheeple. I have not replaced my forgotten moral and values with the govenments, churches, fellowships, or any other group or individuals. Na, I went back to the source.. Me<3

I think Get2 is going to get this done!!
 
I know that feeling, please hang in there it will change one way or the other… It is and isn't you, if you know what I mean. What posters say above, its not real. It's happening 'to' you, yes - but it's really your lack of natural making 'feel goods' in the brain right now. I endured a lot of suffering, depression… general flatness in life with opiates. I would sit in my room and write about the noises outside, the sirens and dogs barking in sync, people yelling on the street… it was all I could do I was completely flat, was to write down my observations and I felt NOTHING about what I was writing… it was very dissatisfying and painful. It's finally lifting since I've been clean.

Best of luck to you hang in there. :)
 
Wow thanks for that methamaniac I've seen that great movie a few times but I forgot how powerful the ending was. Just so epic and accurate to what I want for myself. I've been self medicating and using for pleasure for 12 years and trying to get sober for the last 5-6 unsuccessfully but I did get 6 months completely drug free and I felt amazing.

That's why I chose to get off the methadone, I want to be that unaltered me again facing life, enjoying life, and appreciating the small gifts of sobriety. I hope this is it, I wish I could say I'm sure I'll never relapse again but I know how cunning the disease is.

I just hope to God I can be clean and sober the rest of my life if I do what others have done to achieve that. When I was in my early twenties drinking and snorting oxy I was so naive, I had no idea how hard it would be, how much ppl and things I would loose, and the depths of hell I would visit. I feel like I did it all to excess and now I just want out. Never cured but keeping the disease arrested.

God help all us sick addicts who are powerless to save ourselves but want a better life for themselves.
 
Thank you Smoky and congrats on not giving up and making it through the physical detox then the paws and all that. It gets a lot better it just takes time and when your in it its like time slows down and your existing but far from living. You definitly described anhedonia better than I could.
 
Damn I know this is a bad idea but i might take more sub like 1mg in hopes it will help me sleep. That nap earlier fucked me up and I only have 6 kpins which I know I need to decrease slowly I'd love to just take them all but that's a bad idea. I wish I had some melatonin or the doc I saw yesterday would have given me some frecking ambien.
 
Wow thanks for that methamaniac I've seen that great movie a few times but I forgot how powerful the ending was. Just so epic and accurate to what I want for myself. I've been self medicating and using for pleasure for 12 years and trying to get sober for the last 5-6 unsuccessfully but I did get 6 months completely drug free and I felt amazing.

That's why I chose to get off the methadone, I want to be that unaltered me again facing life, enjoying life, and appreciating the small gifts of sobriety. I hope this is it, I wish I could say I'm sure I'll never relapse again but I know how cunning the disease is.

I just hope to God I can be clean and sober the rest of my life if I do what others have done to achieve that. When I was in my early twenties drinking and snorting oxy I was so naive, I had no idea how hard it would be, how much ppl and things I would loose, and the depths of hell I would visit. I feel like I did it all to excess and now I just want out. Never cured but keeping the disease arrested.

God help all us sick addicts who are powerless to save ourselves but wan
t a better life for themselves.

Yes, you get it exactly. Choosing to live life clean gives us best shot at happiness.
Life can suck at times and we can get caught up in its trappings, but its far better to face it clean. Sobriety makes no promises but freedom from drugs. The rest is up to you. You can be as happy as you allow yourself to be.
Dont worry about if you will be clean six months from now, just make sure you try as hard as you can to stay clean for today. Thats all you can do. The days will turn into weeks and weeks into months before you know it.
You won't feel the same then as you do now.
You will be stronger.
You will have a chance then.
You will have a choice then.
You can choose life.
You can choose freedom.
One day at a time.
Hang in there, you're making best and most important choice you'll ever make.
 
Just make sure to clear the next 6 - 8 weeks off your calendar cause it's gonna suck.

Are you talking about methadone? I use it for years. Can´t get cleared anymore.
Is it what the OP is talking about?
Thanks
E
 
I know that feeling, please hang in there it will change one way or the other… It is and isn't you, if you know what I mean. What posters say above, its not real. It's happening 'to' you, yes - but it's really your lack of natural making 'feel goods' in the brain right now. I endured a lot of suffering, depression… general flatness in life with opiates. I would sit in my room and write about the noises outside, the sirens and dogs barking in sync, people yelling on the street… it was all I could do I was completely flat, was to write down my observations and I felt NOTHING about what I was writing… it was very dissatisfying and painful. It's finally lifting since I've been clean.

Best of luck to you hang in there. :)

For how long have you been clean?
You don´t taper it with anything?
I´m asking because I do use methadone. It´s an use that is lasting many years and I can´t stop due to medical orders.
What´s happening to you?
Lack endorphin producing, maybe?
E.
 
Wow thanks for that methamaniac I've seen that great movie a few times but I forgot how powerful the ending was. Just so epic and accurate to what I want for myself. I've been self medicating and using for pleasure for 12 years and trying to get sober for the last 5-6 unsuccessfully but I did get 6 months completely drug free and I felt amazing.

That's why I chose to get off the methadone, I want to be that unaltered me again facing life, enjoying life, and appreciating the small gifts of sobriety. I hope this is it, I wish I could say I'm sure I'll never relapse again but I know how cunning the disease is.

I just hope to God I can be clean and sober the rest of my life if I do what others have done to achieve that. When I was in my early twenties drinking and snorting oxy I was so naive, I had no idea how hard it would be, how much ppl and things I would loose, and the depths of hell I would visit. I feel like I did it all to excess and now I just want out. Never cured but keeping the disease arrested.

God help all us sick addicts who are powerless to save ourselves but want a better life for themselves.

Sorry for the double, triple posting.
As I understand you are getting methadone to treat yourself and become free of other opiates that was becoming an addiction, is that correct?
Is it not working for you anymore?
Is Methadone, the problem you are going through?
Maybe I misread your post, but as I understood methadone was not helping you.
It´s a more definitive way of beating opiates. Isn´t that good?
I´m a bit lost as I use it to have a normal life, and there was no other way..
 
I'm late to the trainspotting part of the thread, but my favorite part is where Renton is nodding against a wall, and Tommy's talking to him about want to try heroin, and he keeps ignoring him. Then Tommy says he has the money takes some out, and Renton's eyes open wide and go right for the money. Classic.
 
Erik,
I think its more a case of one realizing they're using a drug they dont neccesarily have to.
Md certainly has its place.

L-joe,
That movie has many classic parts. I remember watching it when it came out. I had never been through wd then, but first time I did I remembered so many scenes from that movie vividly. I liked when Renton dives into toliet.
And of course Begbie's bar fight scene.
Begbie - who the fuck are you bar fight full scene: http://youtu.be/vc3E7UkIzt4
 
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Thanks Methamaniac!
In my case I believe I really need it.
Have been okay since day 1 on methadone.
Kept lowering the dose until it felt like an aspirin..
 
^
Thats the key to md. Take as little as possible.
I had a good experience with md at first,
and then the addict in me started to want "more". Started to have to have benzos, weed, and anything to "intensify" it.
Addiction is relative. What makes my life unmanageable may not necessarily make yours unmanageable.
Being on md is certainly better than scavenging for dope everyday.
 
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