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So it's better to work? Despite being paid less for working and having less free time? I guess that's something entirely subjective, most rational people would say people shouldn't make more money doing nothing than people working 8 hours a day but I guess Democrats have to buy votes somehow.

Who says the working poor makes less money than people not working?

The CATO study states that "it would almost certainly be the case at any income level" that "it is better to both work and receive welfare".

If that confuses you, bear in mind that the working poor tend to receive benefits. There's food stamps, medical, heating assistance, WIC, etc. All of that tends to be accessible if you have a minimum wage job.

So, the question is, "is it better to work and make more money or not to work and make less money". And I think we know the answer to that, since the money made by not working is damn little.
 
Industrially established or destroyed? Which is it? They were bombed to shreds and saddled with enormous debt

Right. But 5 years prior they were the most advanced nation on the planet. Germany wasn't really bombed back a century.

don't try and say it was our money that built up Germany following the War.

who's money was it?

So your saying that African countries borders were carved up randomly? Why does this matter to you? Don't you believe in open-borders anyways or is that just for Europe and America?

The problem is that cultures and resources were arbitrarily divided on an extremely culturally diverse continent.

What is the root of the conflicts in Rwanda, Sudan, Darfur , Congo etc?



What's a livable income? As far as I know, dead people can't work. So they must be recieving a livable income already.

Right? And slaves are given free shelter and food. Whats the big deal?
 
who's money was it?

As evidence from Africa throwing billions at countries (which you call peanuts) isn't enough to get them moving along. We've seen almost nothing, no return from our aid to Africa every year. Every epidemic they encounter whether it be Ebola or AIDS they have to rely on international humanitarian organizations swooping in they've never established functioning governments of their own. The most prosperous African nation with the best infrastructure is South Africa and we all know who is responsible for that: Dutch settlers.



The problem is that cultures and resources were arbitrarily divided on an extremely culturally diverse continent.

What is the root of the conflicts in Rwanda, Sudan, Darfur , Congo etc?

Isn't every continent culturally diverse? Doesn't every continent have an unequal distribution of resources?





Right? And slaves are given free shelter and food. Whats the big deal?

Don't understand what a livable wage is: by definition it would be enough for food and shelter, and clothing. You can't purchase those on $7.25 an hour? What else do you deem "livable", a nice house, a flat-screen television, a Cadillac?
 
Don't understand what a livable wage is: by definition it would be enough for food and shelter, and clothing. You can't purchase those on $7.25 an hour? What else do you deem "livable", a nice house, a flat-screen television, a Cadillac?

Let's see. $7.25/hr is about $1200/mo before taxes, around $1k or so after taxes.

$750/mo for rent (seams reasonable). Say you cheap out on clothing, so $50 there. Then you need food, and if you cheap out, it's $200/month (hope you like beans and rice).

Now, you can never get sick - you can't afford to take the time off of work. Also, you better have perfect teeth, since you can't afford any dental work. Also, you better be able to walk to work. And work better understand that you don't have a phone. Also, your apartment better never need anything, such as toilet paper, dish soap, etc. Oh, and you don't need furniture since you don't have a budget for it.

Wait a minute, this doesn't sound liveable at all...
 
Let's see. $7.25/hr is about $1200/mo before taxes, around $1k or so after taxes.

$750/mo for rent (seams reasonable). Say you cheap out on clothing, so $50 there. Then you need food, and if you cheap out, it's $200/month (hope you like beans and rice).

Now, you can never get sick - you can't afford to take the time off of work. Also, you better have perfect teeth, since you can't afford any dental work. Also, you better be able to walk to work. And work better understand that you don't have a phone. Also, your apartment better never need anything, such as toilet paper, dish soap, etc. Oh, and you don't need furniture since you don't have a budget for it.

Wait a minute, this doesn't sound liveable at all...

Lmao God forbid someone works more than 40 hours in a week.. Idk maybe you don't have a job but most people work more than 40 hours in a week. 40 is like the bare minimum

And you can't find a roommate to split rent with?? Hell find 3 or 4 roommates to make it even cheaper


oh but wait I'm sure you're going to come back and tell me that everyone is entitled to only 40 hours maximum in a week, everyone is entitled to having their own apartment because having to live with roommates... well now that's just unfair!

Find a 3 bedroom for $1200... Split between 4 people is $300 a month
We'll say utilities are $150 a month... Split between 4 people would be $37.50

So it would cost you under $350/month to pay your rent and utilities... lol

Any 16 year old kid working at a fast food restaurant could afford that and still have money left over for food, clothes, entertainment, savings.

Get out there and make some friends and you'll see how inexpensive life can be :)
 
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That kind of.... wasn't me.

The colonialism bit was. When asked why Africa is in turmoil, that was my answer. Also, my response didn't involve colonialism hundreds of years ago, but the borders drawn out by European countries 60 years ago. If I were to ignore the statistics I would have said "there is no violence in Africa".

Show me how many immigrants are receiving minimum wage vs American born citizens. Hell, even white American born citizens.

Colonialism is the classic go to thing to blame Africas short coming on. Everything is always the white Americans fault in the eyes of the typical partisan.
 
ArCi, I can't say that I know what rent costs in the US because I don't live there, but I am going to go out on a limb and suggest the rent that Escher was talking about is for a decent one or two bedroom apartment or unit where he is living. Assuming this is the case, it seems pretty unlikely a 3 bedroom would not demand a higher sum.

Where I live 38-40 hours a week is commonly accepted as full time working hours, sure, plenty of people work more hours than that, equally, plenty of people struggle to find that many hours of weekly employment. Frankly, working over 40 hours a week so you can have a bedroom to yourself (if you are lucky) in a three bedroom place shared by four individuals and have little disposable income does not seem like a very attractive lifestyle to me. Even if one was to accept your $350 a month figure, if you factor in the $1000 or so monthly minimum wage, and figure it costs at least ten dollars a day to eat three square meals of decent quality, then a person is left with less than one hundred dollars a week before they have to pay for transport, medical costs, or ability to save, let alone any kind of life. I don't have any real experience to base what living in "the land of the free" is like, but coming from a Country where the minimum wage is more than double yours I have to say that the lifestyle you describe does not sound very free or enjoyable to me.

I don't know why so many American capitalists seem to think it is perfectly reasonable for the common man to do it this hard for little to no reward when the companies that are paying these low wages are generally turning over huge profits. I don't see why life should be a lottery when you can distribute wealth and opportunity more equitably than either is currently being distributed.

Droppers, do you honestly believe if America had undergone decades of civil war in its recent history, enslavement of its current ethnic majority, apartheid and extreme exploitation of its natural resources it would be doing just, or even close to, as well as it is now? 8) For the record, I don't think people blame Africa's problems on American colonialism so much as White (particularly European) colonialism, in my opinion it would take a pretty blind person to deny that this has not had an extremely negative impact on Africa.
 
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Droppers, do you honestly believe if America had undergone decades of civil war in its recent history, enslavement of its current ethnic majority, apartheid and extreme exploitation of its natural resources it would be doing just, or even close to, as well as it is now? 8) For the record, I don't think people blame Africa's problems on American colonialism so much as White (particularly European) colonialism, in my opinion it would take a pretty blind person to deny that this has not had an extremely negative impact on Africa.

Those pesky white people responsible for all the ills of the world yet no Africans want to live amongst their other Africans the second they get a chance they are on their way to America or Europe to be around more of those horribly oppressive white people.
 
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I don't know why so many American capitalists seem to think it is perfectly reasonable for the common man to do it this hard for little to no reward when the companies that are paying these low wages are generally turning over huge profits. I don't see why life should be a lottery when you can distribute wealth and opportunity more equitably than either is currently being distributed.

Because the poor of America live like kings compared to the poor in Asia, Africa or South America. We are a meritocracy, there is no distribution of wealth. We don't need Chairman Mao, or Stalin in our country.
 
I am just skimming, but I think you all have points.

I just have to add, if it matters, my thoughts, or more like questions. Africa isn't just fucked because of white colonialism. Do people fail to factor in Arab/Muslim influence? As I mentioned before, their slave trade was much much longer than our own, and it was much more barbaric, with castration of males and taking of women as sex slaves. There is so much possibly that is untold of the ills. So many people will say it took place over a longer period of time, and because of that the numbers are less per time, but I imagine its possible we don't know the whole scope of things.

Really what it comes down to is that all people have been people since people existed, and men have warred, and slavery existed- people took advantage of others and used others. Arabs took advantage of Europeans and Euros Arabs and other Middle Easterners and Arabs other Middle Easterners, South Central Asians, Africans... What it comes down to is that the White man came out on top, at this time. For whatever reason, they did. For this, people will look to them to gauge the scope of things, the problems, yada. I'm not saying there is any inherent superiority to them, but they won the race to a certain point, within a certain time, for sure.

Anyways, for some reason or another, Africa got raped. But it wasn't only white people, and it very well may have been weakened by non whites before. Whites may have taken advantage of pre existing conditions.
 
Lmao God forbid someone works more than 40 hours in a week.. Idk maybe you don't have a job but most people work more than 40 hours in a week. 40 is like the bare minimum

And you can't find a roommate to split rent with?? Hell find 3 or 4 roommates to make it even cheaper

So a living wage is a wage where you have to always work more than 40 hours a week, and you have to split an apartment with several other people?

Do you reasonably think most people consider that a living wage?

oh but wait I'm sure you're going to come back and tell me that everyone is entitled to only 40 hours maximum in a week, everyone is entitled to having their own apartment because having to live with roommates... well now that's just unfair!

When most people talk about a living wage, I think there's the assumption that income from a 40-hour a week job is enough to afford an apartment, food, clothing, transportation, healthcare, etc.

Find a 3 bedroom for $1200... Split between 4 people is $300 a month
We'll say utilities are $150 a month... Split between 4 people would be $37.50

So it would cost you under $350/month to pay your rent and utilities... lol

Any 16 year old kid working at a fast food restaurant could afford that and still have money left over for food, clothes, entertainment, savings.

Get out there and make some friends and you'll see how inexpensive life can be :)

You forgot other ways of making money. After all, you can sell plasma. You can also sell sperm and eggs. And your hair! Hell, you're not some liberal hippy that thinks that a liveable wage doesn't mean people don't have to sell parts of their own body to make ends meet, right?
 
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The apple doesn't fall far...

Michael Brown's mother accused in armed robbery of Ferguson vendors selling t-shirts commemorating her son's death

Michael Brown's mother has been named as one of the 'attackers' who assaulted and robbed vendors selling t-shirts commemorating the youngster's death.
A report from Ferguson police identified Lesley McSpadden, 34, as one of a group of up to 30 people that ran into the tent and ransacked the stall in the Missouri city on Saturday October 18.
Pearlie Gordon, 54, Brown's mother-in-law, and two men were selling 'Justice for Mike Brown' merchandise when the subjects 'jumped out of vehicles and rushed them' during what police are classifying as an armed robbery.


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INSANE: Ferguson “Activists” Deliver Pre-Riot Demands To Police

Posted by Bob Owens on November 7, 2014 at 10:26 am

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A Ferguson store owner prepared to defend his store during one of the recent riots in Ferguson, Missouri.


Our friend Andrew Branca of The Law Of Self Defense has a new post up at law blog Legal Insurrection which notes a list of demands that Ferguson activists have delivered to police in advance of the grand jury’s expected decision in the Michael Brown affair.

For those of you who have been pulling a Rip Van Winkle, Michael Brown was an 18-year-old the size of an NFL offensive lineman (6’4″, 292 lbs) who lived in Ferguson, Missouri (a St. Louis suburb). In August, a Ferguson, MO police officer named Darren Wilson attempted to stop Brown for matching the description of a strong-arm robbery suspect. Brown allegedly attacked Wilson through window of his police SUV and attempted to take the officer’s gun. According to accounts, two shots were fired in the vehicle in the struggle over the gun. Brown then attempted to flee. Wilson exited his vehicle and told Brown to freeze.

Eyewitnesses offer radically different accounts of what happened next.

Some claim that Officer Wilson then shot Brown in the back as he was fleeing, that Brown turned around and put his hands up, and that Wilson then essentially executed Brown as he stood there trying to surrender.

Other witnesses said that Brown never put his hands up, but instead had them out, and that he was advancing on Officer Wilson when he was shot, despite Wilson’s commands to “freeze.”

Leaks within the U.S. Department of Justice suggest that there isn’t evidence to warrant a civil rights case against Wilson, and there are leaks—seemingly calculated to deflate the tension—that suggests that Wilson did indeed act properly in shooting a felony robbery and battery suspect who was refusing command to stop and was advancing upon the officer to perhaps attack him again after attempting to take the officer’s weapon just seconds before.

Unfortunately, the latter, more probable reality flies in the face of a carefully crafted Michael Brown “hands up, don’t shoot” mythology that has made Brown an unlikely martyr and catalyst for a coalition of race hustlers, Marxists, anarchists, cop-haters, and opportunistic thugs, who seek to capitalize on a smoldering mass hysteria.

The document the arrogant activists provided under the title “Proposed Rules Of Engagement” may as well be titled “Get Out Of Our Way And Let Us Riot And Loot With Impunity.”

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The 19-item list is—to put it bluntly—a bat guano crazy statement of intent to riot.

They want a 48-hour notice in advance of the grand jury decision for riot prep (presumably to stockpile rocks, bricks, bottles, etc).

They want to be able to use social media and cell phones to shift and focus riots (a lesson they learned from the “Arab Spring”) with impunity and without communications interference.

They want to be able to assemble mobs as large as they want, wherever they want, for as long as they want.

They want police officers to allow rioters extensive latitude in their actions, while heavily restricting police response.

Perhaps most disturbing, they want to police to have minimal defensive protection against rioters, and assurances that the police won’t use the tools that may be needed to break-up riots once they turn violent.

And of course, they want virtual “get out of jail free cards” for both the leaders of their movement and the rioters themselves.

If I were a citizen in the St. Louis area—or any other area in the nation where there is history of significant and potentially violent racial tension where a Ferguson-triggered riot might break out—I’d be investing in practical long guns for home defense, putting aside shelf-stable foods and water, quality flashlights, and perhaps be considering an extra garden hose and a fire extinguisher.

One thing that we learned from the 1992 Los Angeles riots is that there simply aren’t enough police officer to handle a widespread riot with hundreds or thousands of rioters spread out across a large geographic area, and individual blocks of businesses and residential neighborhoods may be cut off and left to defend themselves as best as they can.

It may very well devolve into a complete failure of civility in some areas, where only the credible threat (or use) of force may be able to defend lives.

Some astute observers have noted that cold weather can be used to blunt rioters, and that a polar vortex is set to strike much of the nation next week. If authorities are smart, they’ll use the colder weather in from the middle of next week through next weekend strategically, providing that the grand jury has completed their investigation and has come to a decision.

Sadly, it seems that Michael Brown’s exploiters seem intent on using the mythology crafted around his death as an excuse to rage against the society at large.

Be prepared.

http://bearingarms.com/insane-ferguson-activists-deliver-pre-riot-demands-police/2/
 
What a sad and pathetic way to act. I hope this isnt real and some form of sick joke and if not, im kinda speechless. Shows they dont even care about evidence in the case. They just use it as an excuse, launching point for their "frustration" and seems they care little about their community. How on earth do they expect anyone to take them serious or consider their points of view when this is how they behave. The media is going to eat this up big time if things start to go off.

But i think its just going to stay confined to that little shit town. Seems that certain facts that have come out point to a justified case for the officer. If they were smart, they would just wait till some cop actually kills someone totally innocent which shouldn't take too long at all and Im sure as already taken place since this situation happened. But if they wanna burn up their own backyards and loot and steal from their fellow neighbors, well have at it i guess. Their just asking for it with that letter.
 
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