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Does believing in Evolution say a lot about you

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Back to my fish out the ocean example,

I believe you would agree that fish lungs dont become fully functional over one or two generations.
thousands and thousands if not millions and millions of change depending how strong your faith is

Why does the fish spend the energy to allow the parts to be made if they wont be useful for a long time. If it is random mutations how do they just keep going in the favor of the lung being formed.

I dont think I could pose any question honestly that someone would answer with sincerity.

I expept to get a link of a lung fish now
Sighhhhh

I seen one on the telly, hey grandad
why did you decide to stop evolving so
long long long long ago.....
Shhh, dont question just believe
its easier that way
 
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Why is it that people who say this sort of thing never actually stop the discussion?
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Clarification: I'm not interested in having the sort of mindless circular discussion that I was getting trapped in, with you and rick.

Also, generally, I have a tendency to not be able to let things go. It is a personal flaw. I'm happy to admit that. I'm working on it. Often when I say I don't want to be involved in a thread anymore, the people I'm debating continue to have a one-sided discussion with me in my absence. I can't help but defend myself. (Read: ego.)

Amen to that
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What, I'm a troll? Because I have a different opinion?

I didn't expect you to sink that low.

Hahaha, ironically it was a loose, allegorical statement.
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That is hilarious. Seriously, mate. You should have your own HBO special.

So it means nothing?
 
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methamaniac said:
I seen one on the telly, hey grandad
why did you decide to stop evolving so
long long long long ago.....
Shhh, dont question just believe
its easier that way
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What is your definition of long?

Homo sapiens have evolved only over the past 200 000 yrs, which seems a long time to someone whose lifespan will rarely reach 100, yet tricerotops lived in the Late Cretaceous (67 - 65 million years ago) and took 10 times as long to evolve. In fact if you think about it we are a lot closer in evolutionary time to the triceratops than we are to say a Plateosaurus who lived in the Late Triassic (210 million years ago). To say that nothing is changing and only have looked less than 1000 years is normal for someone who has no grasp of the age of the universe. It's like a 5 year old thinking a year is a long time to wait while for an adult 12 months flies past.


It's a moot point, there are hundreds of different species that have been documented on the Galapagos Islands. I'd highly recommend David Attenboroughs excellent documentary on the Islands. It highlights many species, from lizards, birds and the few mammals that lasted the journey and shows how environmental differences between the different Islands caused such a vast array of diversity from only a handful of early pioneer species. The cormorant is a nice example of a flightless bird that still has it's original wings. Unlike a penguin it still looks like it's near island cousin, yet cannot fly, so swims and hunts in the sea. Both these species have evolved from a common ancestor that found the isolated islands geologically not that long ago. The relative untouched and isolated nature of these land forms makes them still the best scientific lab to study evolution at it's purest.
 
I know pretty much for a fact that nobody is going to admitt any thing about evolution that bothers them
Just going to keep on seeing a naked emperors cloths

Is there nothing about the theory that troubles you in the tinest little bit?
Nothing you would at least like a scientist to give you more detail on
Or do u just got it all figured out
The lung just formed and that's that
no need to know exactly how
 
methamaniac said:
http://www.nhm.ac.uk/nature-online/...ence/morphology/evolution-of-lungs/index.html

Lungs just evolved.....
no explanation
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You have serious comprehension issues. Your link has an explanation

fish that evolved a lung-like gas bladder to supplement the oxygen from its gills.

And for more detail

SYNOPSIS. Structural evolution of the vertebrate lung illustrates the principle that the emergence of seemingly new structures such as the mammalian lung is due to intensification of one of the functions of the original piscine lung. The configuration of the mechanical support of the lung in which elastic and collagen fibers form a continuous framework is well matched with the functional demands. The design of the mammalian gas exchange cells is an ingenious solution to meet the functional demands of optimizing maintenance pathways from nucleus to the cytoplasm while simultaneously providing minimal barrier thickness. Surfactant is found in the most primitive lungs providing a protective continuous film of fluid over the delicate epithelium. As the lung became profusely partitioned, surfactant became a functionally new surface-tension reduction device to prevent the collapse of the super-thin foam-like respiratory surface. Experimental analyses have established that in lower vertebrates lungs are ventilated with a buccal pulse pump, which is driven by identical sets of muscles acting in identical patterns in fishes and frogs. In the aquatic habitats suction is the dominant mode of feeding generating buccal pressure changes far exceeding those recorded during air ventilation. From the perspective of air ventilation the buccal pulse pump is overdesigned. However in terrestrial habitats vertebrates must operate with higher metabolic demands and the lung became subdivided into long narrow airways and progressively smaller air spaces, rendering the pulse pump inefficient. With the placement of the lungs inside a pump, the aspiration pump was established. In mammals, the muscular diaphragm represents a key evolutionary innovation since it led to an energetically most efficient aspiration pump. Apparently the potential energy created by contraction of the diaphragm during inhalation is stored in the elastic tissues of the thoracic unit and lung. This energy is released when lung and thorax recoil to bring about exhalation. It is further determined experimentally that respiratory and locomotory patterns are coupled, further maximizing the efficiency of mammalian respiration. Symmorphosis is exhibited in the avian breathing apparatus, which is endowed with a key evolutionary innovation by having the highly specialized lung continuously ventilated by multiple air sacs that function as bellows. Functional morphologists directly deal with these kinds of functional and structural complexities that provide an enormous potential upon simple changes in underlying mechanisms.
 
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/01/080122-platypus.html
Your giving generalizations
lets get specific
Why are they saying the duck billed platypus lived along dinosaurs but we see it today virtually the same
why do all these animals stop evolution millions of years ago?

Need I tell you all the shit that would have had to happen for this creature to evolve?
It must have changed like a mad man why stop
I think you are the one with NO concept of time
20 dam million years virtually no change
does that not bother u
could it be they found the fossil with a dinosaur and said, " oh shit" ,well, must be 20 million years old"
 
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^^^^^^
yeah, that clears everything up
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You said it, lead a horse to water cant make him drink
 
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why do all these animals stop evolution millions of years ago?
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They don't. It is more correct to say that very similar looking, closely related cousins of the platypus lived alongside dinosaurs.
 
sekio said:
They don't. It is more correct to say that very similar looking, closely related cousins of the platypus lived alongside dinosaurs.
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How cconvenient. ....

Like I said,
Couldnt they have found it with dinosaur and shit their pants and decided to say it was 20 million years old wouldn't that be more plausible

You know how they tell how old a fossil is ?
The layer of rock it was found in
Know how they tell how old the layer of rock is?
From the fossil
That's the only way to say something is million of years old
 
Forever,
Go fly a kite
where having legit discussion
care to opine on your thoughts on the duck billed platypus being 20 million years old?
Didnt think so
Gotta run it by the pope first uh?
 
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Let me guess yet another animal perfectly suited for its inviroment

That one is getting old especially when trying to explain away million of years with no change
 
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Uhh
your talking to me calling me a retard
and then say u dont have conversations with retards
no wonder you are helpless to explain why the platypus didnt change for 20 freaking long sweaty tough as nails, million years

Edit: notice the removed posts lol
 
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