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The Ferguson thread / additional race discussion

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Of all the things I've heard surrounding this situation the one I remember the most is...Everybody want to be black until its time to be black...I dont know if I agree with this statement completely but "blackness" (which is to insinuate hip hop, urban, or ratchet culture) is chic right now. Miley wants to be ratchet and have black people dancing around her like props but when shit goes down she didn't say much.
 
RichardMooner said:
Source? He's fucking dead. I live in a tiny ass town and it was not reported. Go to his grave site, there's your source. Want a source for the home he helped start with his son Orlando? Here's a link to the Website. http://veteransenrichmentcenter.org/index.php/about-vec
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So what exactly happened? I wasn't there, that's the only reason I asked. All you said is that he was killed in cold blood. That's hardly descriptive of the incident. It's nice he started something for veterans but that doesn't really have anything to do with why he was shot afaik.

RichardMooner said:
I would be defending my life, not entertaining Youtube. Why don't you go worship General Forrest some more?
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Yeah sure, shooting at cops is a great way to defend your life because when cops are shot at they will usually just drop their guns and runaway. I also find it hilarious that ever since the new avatar people just can't resist taking jabs no matter what I post. If you think just because I put the rebel flag as my avatar I'm a racist KKK member, well then you're seriously a moron. It stemmed from another thread that I can't be bothered to find now. Besides, you realize that the Confederates were also Americans that died in the war right? Just wondering.
 
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bit_pattern said:
That's what is know in the business as a "straw man"



The statistics really don't support that contention - black kids are shot by cops at a wildly disproportionate rate. At a very broad and fundamental structural level race is very much a factor.

“The 1,217 deadly police shootings from 2010 to 2012 captured in the federal data show that blacks, age 15 to 19, were killed at a rate of 31.17 per million, while just 1.47 per million white males in that age range died at the hands of police,”

And to don't need to accept your strawman argument outlined above to come to that conclusion. Even if it is a matter of fact that, say for instance, black kids are more likely to be killed by police because they engage in more violent crime - it is still a broad structural problem to do with race relations in America. Unless you are inclined to the kind of thinking that a few in this forum are prone to - that somehow different races are more inclined to violence because of genetics - then you have to start asking questions about what social structures have led to a situation where black kids are being caught up in cycles of crime and violence. To try and divorce the issue from race relations is to take an incredibly narrow view of the dynamics at play in society.
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Exactly what line in my post made you think I'm some racist who thinks blacks are genetically inferior, because I never stated such a thing. Statically speaking black people do commit more crimes but that has to do with being a product of their environment. It's hard to blame someone for turning to gangs no matter what race they are when that is all they are surrounded with and you are pretty much screwed if you don't join a gang in some places. Black and white people need be able to work together to help improve those communities. No I am not saying all black people who grow up in those areas turn to gangs and crime


When I said this
There are some black and white protesters that get that and say "this isn't a black white issue it's about the police" but sadly they get shouted down by the rest of the protesters.
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I wasn't trying to say there were no race relation issues at all, I was stating that police profiling and corruption happens with all races and groups of people not only blacks. I even stated in my post that there is allot of racial profiling that goes on in the police force and I don't blame black people for mistrusting the police. I never denied innocent unarmed black men don't get killed by the police. My main problem is that every time something like this happens everyone automatically pulls the race card before there is even enough evidence or proof to prove it was racially motivated incident and justified or not. I get they want police to stop profiling them but crowds of protesters getting right up it cops faces screaming fuck the police, you racist murderer, get out of my town, ect all night long night after night doesn't help. The protests were getting more civilized but this recent shooting last week has made things allot worse.
 
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nuttynutskin said:
So what exactly happened? I wasn't there, that's the only reason I asked. All you said is that he was killed in cold blood. That's hardly descriptive of the incident. It's nice he started something for veterans but that doesn't really have anything to do with why he was shot afaik.



Yeah sure, shooting at cops is a great way to defend your life because when cops are shot at they will usually just drop their guns and runaway. I also find it hilarious that ever since the new avatar people just can't resist taking jabs no matter what I post. If you think just because I put the rebel flag as my avatar I'm a racist KKK member, well then you're seriously a moron. It stemmed from another thread that I can't be bothered to find now. Besides, you realize that the Confederates were also Americans that died in the war right? Just wondering.
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Yes, Americans that were fighting to preserve slavery. I don't necessarily believe that you're a racist KKK member, just a racist.
 
phenethylo J said:
Exactly what line in my post made you think I'm some racist who thinks blacks are genetically inferior
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I wasn't implying that you think like that (one or two ppl on this forum do though) I was saying that unless a perso thinks like that then you have to acknowledge the structural issue of race relations.
 
bit_pattern said:
I wasn't implying that you think like that (one or two ppl on this forum do though) I was saying that unless a perso thinks like that then you have to acknowledge the structural issue of race relations.
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The media makes the race relations so prominent. To not make it about race relations is thinking outside the box. Its narrow minded thinking to go with the standard black, white hate thing. The media made this statement into such a joke but its something to think about, "why cant we all just get along." Have you been drinking?
 
bit_pattern said:
Sure. The media. It's got nothing to do with >2 orders of magnitude at which black kids get shot over white kids. It's the media. Cool story.
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Im talkin about the way they show the story. The spin they put on it is always about race. Always. It sells. So i think they are guilty of fueling the race divide more then it has to be.

Its not that I think blacks aren't targeted. I think its pretty obvious they are profiled and fucked with by the cops more then any other race. I think the prison population being mostly black isnt because they commit more crimes. Dont try and put that racist label on me like you have with others. That is far from what I am. And your one to talk with your hate for white people.
 
I think the fact of blacks being murdered by the police at a 31.17:1.47 ratio is what makes it about race.
 
legalize said:
To not make it about race relations is thinking outside the box.
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Not at all. I mean, it might have been during the late 1970s and prior. The dominant contemporary ideology of race is America is one of avowed race-blindness. This ideology facilitates perpetuation of institutional structures that foster racial inequities.

tl;dr: the prevailing system of race is still fucking people over, and ignoring that doesn't help

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Right on, EB, right on
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nuttynutskin said:
Yeah it's a known fact, only white people are racist
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Proving once again that you don't actually understand the concepts that you talk about - kind of reminds me of the Daily Show thread where you proved you don't actually understand what satire actually is

Aamer Rahman puts it better than I ever could

[video=youtube_share;dw_mRaIHb-M]http://youtu.be/dw_mRaIHb-M[/video]
 
nuttynutskin said:
Yeah it's a known fact, only white people are racist.[/IMG]
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Actually, that's not true. It's relative. If black people were oppressing white people due their race, and a black person made a contribution the oppression of white people, the black person would be racist. If a white person made a prejudice comment about black people, or a contribution to the prejudice of black people, they would not be racist. Racism is defined by a contribution to the systematic oppression of a group of people because of their skin tone. I know that the Oxford Definition says otherwise, but it's been a matter of debate for a while, and according to sociologists who study race relations, it's not nearly that simple. Funny enough, the KKK disagrees, and one of their main arguments is that Back people are just as racist towards white people, and they're just defending white rights. It all has to do with privilege. So get your stupid picture out of here and read a book.
 
That wording was off. It was in reference to higher rates of violence in the black population, which those who cite the blacks killed by cops vs whites killed by cops don't factor in at all.
 
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States

According to the NCVS for 1992–2000, 43% of violent criminal acts, and 53% of serious violent crime (not verbal threats, or cuts and bruises) were reported to the police. Overall, black (49%) and American Indian (48%) victims reported most often, higher than whites (42%) and Asians (40%). Serious violent crime and aggravated assault against blacks (58% and 61%) and Indians (55% and 59%) was reported more often than against whites (51% and 54%) or Asians (50% and 51%). American Indians were unusually unlikely to report a robbery (45%), as with Asians and a simple assault (31%).[15]

Despite the differences in the amount of crime reported, comparisons of the UCR and NCVS data sets show there to be a high degree of correspondence between the two systems.[16] This correspondence extends to the racial demography of both perpetrators and victims of violent crime reported in both systems.[17]
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While there is a correlation between blacks and Hispanics and crime, the data implies a stronger tie between poverty and crime than crime and any racial group, when gender is taken into consideration.[42] The direct correlation between crime and class, when factoring for race alone, is relatively weak. When gender, and familial history are factored, class correlates more strongly with crime than race or ethnicity.[43][44] Studies indicate that areas with low socioeconomic status may have the greatest correlation of crime with young and adult males, regardless of racial composition, though its effect on females is negligible.[43][44]
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And theories as to the causation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States#Theories_of_causation

Worth a bloody good read.
 
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