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The Big & Dandy AL-LAD Thread - Part 2

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trozzle said:
I suspect he may have meant that he's got a gram on hand, and not that he has actually ingested it. Particularly given the advice above was suggesting a lower dose to be safe, so unless he didn't read them AT ALL, he's stupid enough to take quite a hefty dollar-value of bk-2C-B in one hit. Kinda like the clowns who racked crystal LSD.


Pretty sure it was just a typo....well, fingers crossed hey.
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He says he was on benzos in another thread, so maybe that made him extra stupid. Fingers crossed he comes through it, some other guy survived a gram according to a report, but it didn't sound great, the body load starts getting bad over 200mg with that stuff, it's not something to high dose on like LSD/Shrooms/etc. I guess we'll see if he's back in a few days, it's long lasting at high doses on it's own. I feel a bit responsible for saying I was considering trying the combo, but I did say low dose, 1g is nuts.

Anyway, I'm still looking forward to sampling my AL-LAD, not going to go silly with it, 1 or 2 at most for my first try & no mixing.

... he's awake & posting so I guess it must have been 0.1g, or it was a total lie.
 
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foolsgold said:
no i just meant i got a gram coming not done a full one ill start a little lower than 100mg say 75mg
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I kinda figured with nearly 10 000 posts behind ya, you'd probably know what you're doing.

Back on topic, I have gleaned some information about how the Al-Lad tabs are produced. Assuming this information is legal, I'll crack on. The Al-Lad is diluted into some sort of powerful alcohol solution. Obviously, some careful maths is done & bear in mind the vendor is very experienced at this now. Sheets of blotter are laid into the mixture, becoming entirely saturated.. The sheets are allowed to dry flat, I suspect they dry very quickly which helps keep them even. The sheets are quickly scanned with a UV which would show up any discrepencies. There is very, very little likelihood that there could be more than a 10 or so percentage of variation, & I doubt 15ug on top of 150ug would produce a significantly differing experience. Some people who have bought their own Al-Lad crystal & produced their own dilute also claim a variation in effect at the same dose. Some qualitative testing is going on, on Al-Lad tabs that might help clarify things a bit.

The fact is, even LSD is capable of producing this sort of variation in effect. My own LSD experiences were all different, every single one. I follow with interest all & any discussion regarding degraded LSD or contaminated LSD & I concluded with reasonable certainty that only very few substances, if any, are powerful enough to affect a trip & exist on the average blotter. Dark trips or wierd trips or surprisingly heavy trips are all down to personal tolerance, set/setting.

Al-Lad is a new drug, still barely 18 months since it's first appearance. Factor in the general human variation that makes us all unique & we're pretty much researching the effects of this stuff as we go. Which, although a perfectly safe endeavour, physically, can very occassionally result in wildly differing psychological effects, even in the same person, at the same dose.

People who use LSD, Al-Lad & psychedelics in general should bear in mind that the effects of these drugs can vary radically, when you least expect it & you should always be prepared!
 
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lovepsychadelics said:
LSD can be meh... depending on what other psychedelic experiences you have had. It also depends on the quality of the LSD. Quality LSD great.
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My understanding was that "good quality vs. bad quality" LSD was a myth. If it's LSD, differences in experience are due to tolerance, dose, set, and setting.
 
Oh I dunno, go with your gut, that's what I always say ;) Thanks mate :)

I have also discovered that the Al-Lad material from this year with synthed in a different place to last year, & it's a dark crystal, unlike last year. Much darker than last year, apparently the solution is almost black when the blotters are laid. I'd say this probably makes it still easier to see that the entire sheet is soaked. Coupled with a slightly greyer blotter, this explains the different coloured blotts anyway. The newer material has been further purified by being lyophilised to remove all solvent traces. That's what I was told, I dunno what it means lol I'm not pretending to be clever. It's just not me ;)

The blotters are also now 200gsm rather than the original 300gsm, but no-one appears to have noticed or commented on that yet. I hadn't!
 
foolsgold said:
no i just meant i got a gram coming not done a full one ill start a little lower than 100mg say 75mg
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You scared me last night, saying that & leaving, thought you'd just OD'd badly. It's pretty mild, you might need 100-150mg to feel much taking it alone, but it's a body load thing, probably don't want to do 300mg or more. Lower doses if you're mixing with other psychedelics & don't mix it with ethylphenidate. It seems to work well with tryptamines, so I guess AL-LAD will work well with it too, but it's just a guess so far.

Thanks for the info Si. They seem very evenly grey on one side, so I guess they are evenly laid. First blotters I've ordered so I can't compare to the old ones, but they look greyer than the internet photos.
 
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DrGreenthumb said:
Thanks for the info Si. They seem very evenly grey on one side, so I guess they are evenly laid. First blotters I've ordered so I can't compare to the old ones, but they look greyer than the internet photos.
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No problem :)

I doubt you'd be able to tell from the errrr "greyness" how well they're laid now that they're dry, but if the solution was dark when the vendor laid them, it would have been easier for him to see that the sheet was properly soaked. The blotter paper has changed in density too & is already a greyer colour even before this new, darker material is added.
 
I can confirm that the recent batch is a dark grey/black color. Apprently it was a PITA to get to go into solution. Wide MP range too and it was above what Shulgin has in TiHKAL. I have yet to sample this batch myself.
 
A wide MP range & dark colour would indicate more impurities? Doubtful anything else will have any activity at those low doses though?

I'm considering sampling one now.

The blotters aren't dark grey, barely off white, but noticeably slightly greyer on the al-lad side.

Can't quite see the colour as much on a photo, but these: http://s28.postimg.org/4kr95z6tp/al_lad.jpg

Just eaten one, they have no taste & no smell.
 
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^ those are the same as the one I did on saturday. I ate a whole one, while I was fucked up I did not get any visuals.
 
Something seems to be starting to happen, 30-40 minutes in, first alerts, feeling happy & stimulated enough to leave the PC & hopefully enjoy a nice trip.
 
The above pic is the same as the tabs I took 2 of and felt sweet fuck all aside from an overall feeling of my health declining.
 
What do you mean trozzle?

I felt great and ended up going to the grocery store - which is quite the experience on Al Lad.... Just didnt get any morphing or colors that some talk about.

Overall a great time.
 
Very very VERY minor visual distortion, odd kinda cloudy headspace. That's the extent of the POSITIVE DESIRED effects I received. I've experienced a stronger, more enjoyable "psychedelic" experience from weed, WITH a huge tolerance.

Tight chest, pale/discoloured skin, complete lack of energy, sketchy motor control (shaky hands etc)....overall I felt like I was poisoned and "dying" (not actually dying but I can't think of a less extreme word to describe the same overall feeling). Even my girlfriend said I looked very unwell.


I got the exact same reaction to LSD on the few occasions I've tried it (both tabs and liquid).

My mate was blown away by a single tab from the same sheet of 10 I bought.

I'm almost positive I'm allergic to lysergamides/ergoloids.
 
Not sure if it's the power of suggestion, but I'm feeling similar off one, trozzle, not feeling like I'm dying, but it's not huge fun. I've got the physical effects of lsd, had a racing pulse on the "come up", then just jitteryness, dilated pupils, muscle tension, that's about all, next to no mental effects. Closest I can describe, is it feels like I had just a bit too much caffeine, not quite like that, but it's closer than "dying". I did have an energy drink a couple of hours before, pretty sure it'd worn off.

Maybe set & setting? Not had any psychedelics for over a week, but i was hammering the bk-2c-b a bit before that & my last trip ended abruptly, leaving me with just physical side effects. I was feeling totally fine before the al-lad & for a whole week before, now I'm just a bit off, but definitely not tripping balls or anything. Possible cross tolerance? Maybe it's just not my drug? Just a bad first time?

Not had LSD for over 10 years, only did it a few times & they were all great. I'm just going to put some Orb music on & try to sleep it off, if I get anything even mildly psychedelic it should be then.

I did have a similar kind of effect the first time I took MDMA, just a bit of physical stimulation, then the next time was fantastic. The first time I smoked weed it didn't do much either. So I'll give it another chance with half a tab at some point, but I'm not in any rush. First time I did LSD was amazing though & same with mushrooms. I've had a couple of other times when I've not felt tested MDMA that others were going wild off too, but usually it works. So I don't want to judge it from this experience, good drugs have not worked on me before on rare occasions in the past, but so far it sucks.

I'll give it a rest for a few months & try again with half a tab. Physically it felt like I should've been tripping hard, especially at first, pulse was really racing for a few minutes, mentally it just isn't there. I've had a more psychedelic experience off a single joint, just the night before, with a tolerance for weed.

I'm just trying to guess why it didn't work, it's probably me. Lingering cross-tolerance or something. Can't be cross tolerant with weed surely?
 
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DrGreenthumb said:
Maybe set & setting? Not had any psychedelics for over a week, but i was hammering the bk-2c-b a bit before that & my last trip ended abruptly, leaving me with just physical side effects. I was feeling totally fine before the al-lad & for a whole week before, now I'm just a bit off, but definitely not tripping balls or anything. Possible cross tolerance? Maybe it's just not my drug? Just a bad first time?

I'm just trying to guess why it didn't work, it's probably me. Lingering cross-tolerance or something. Can't be cross tolerant with weed surely?
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No cross tolerance with weed. Sounds like psychedelic tolerance to me man. Who knows how long BK tolerance might linger... It turns out that I do have the latest batch & I have found zero difference in the effect. I've tried the new batch twice. You'd be wiser to leave at least 10 days, preferably a fortnight between trips.

We should bear in mind that tolerance is going to have a major effect on such a gentle experience that is generally produced by one tab. Also, that the negative, body-load & possibly psychological issues associated with psychedelics might be more pronounced with higher tolerance.

One thing I'm relatively certain of is the quality of the material & the dosage of the tabs. Any variation in effect is generally idiosyncratic.

Unless you really, really hated the experience, I advise at least two trials on any new psychedelic. There are so many factors at play that can affect a trip both physically & psychologically, it's well worth trying more than once. Again, try twice provided you have not had a truly awful time. If you felt unwell on Al-Lad, or suffered anything akin to an allergic reaction, I would advise you dropped it & moved on. Although it must be extremely rare & I cannot imagine they might be fatal because of the miniscule amounts of compound required for an effect, lysergide allergys must exist.
 
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I'd happily give it another shot, but I offloaded my remaining 8 tabs to the mate who was blown away by them :( and I'd order more, but I'm still waiting on another order from my vendor that I fear has been gobbled up by customs :(
 
Bummer, tricky getting shit into Oz, ain't it? Rhetorical question.

I wasn't directing that specifically at you Troz, as your experience did sound somewhat unpleasant, & it was you who suffered something similar on LSD, was it not? Sounds like you've given lysergides a fair crack... You might be one of the few, rare allergic cases :(
 
I didn't really hate it, wasn't some real 'bad trip' or anything, just got next to no mental effects & all the physical effects. It was unpleasant, but no more so than one too many caffeine pills. Was just disappointing. It's probably psychedelic cross tolerance, but maybe it was just because it was my first time with AL-LAD. That last message was typed when I should've been at the 'peak'. I could tell there was some kind of lsd-type drug on them from the physical effects. I'll give it some months. I did hammer the bk-2c-b, I think 2-3g of it over 6 weeks, had a gram of mushrooms too, and a little 5-meo-dalt, tripping multiple times a week for 6 weeks & my last trip on bk-2c-b ended after a few hours when it should last 12+, probably that. I had over a week off any psychedelics except weed (cut down on that too), think it was a week last Monday my last go. I have experienced similar false starts with other drugs in the past, so I'm not against trying it again at some better time.

The physical effects did feel pretty strong for one tab & seemed consistent with taking a really good tab of LSD, just shorter lasting & no 'trip', resting pulse went up to 160 at the start, came back down again, if I'd had 2 it would've been more unpleasant, so I'll try less next time, I don't think it was not taking enough & there was clearly some drug on the tab. I'm pretty light, I think one should be enough for me with no tolerance. Felt more like cross tolerance than some kind of allergy, the physical effects were consistent with my past LSD trips, just no euphoria or psychedelic effects.
 
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