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Is today's RC culture any worse than previous generations' drug experimentation?

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Ppl always talk today about how dangerous it is to mess with these 'untested chemicals' but it's no different then how they would whack loads of speed back in the third reich days. or lsd in the 60s or Es in the 90s right?

They were all untested at the time and many were happy to consume them for the buzz not considering the consequences.

Im not saying that justifies it or makes trying a new chemical any less dangerous, just like how a roll of a dice still has the same odds no matter what came before it.

Another way of saying it could be said ppl have always been doing dumb shit and today is no different. :P

Just opening it up for discussion.

Also what sort of sample size of ppl ingesting a drug before you can call it generally safe? Im sure millions have tried alot of popular RCs now and so at least in the short term they are generally safe, but nothing of medium to long terms still.

MDMA is considered by most to be generally safe now, I personally hate it but just saying in terms of safety profile it's mostly considered safe.

I suppose it takes a couple of full generations before you can really know all the ins and outs of a drug. Thats why the 'ethnobotanicals' are probably the safest bet right? I mean there are plenty of natural poisons too but just don't take them :P only the ones we know don't cause much harm. Its not the virtue of it being natural that makes it safe just that they happened to be around before modern chemistry and so have naturally had a longer history to be taken.
 
I don't know. I kind of like the idea that a few of the drugs I've done are RC's. It's nice to be the first to do something even if its risky. It's crazy the factors that determine what drugs people are comfortable with and deem acceptable (usually only drugs they like haha)...
 
The sheer number of untested chemicals being synthesised and commercially sold to members of the public is unprecedented.
Draw whatever conclusions from that you will (the Germans were certainly not the only people taking amphetamine or methamphetamine in the Second World War, for example - and LSD had been used in a wide range of research for about 20 years before its use became widespread in non-scientific/therapeutic settings).
I don't think those analogies are really any comparison to the current "research chemical" market and its associated risks and cultures of use.
The sheer quantity - and (largely) untested nature - of these substances is like nothing ever seen before.

Every other banned "recreational drug" has either been used medicinally or traditionally before reaching a non-medically approved market (such as MDMA, mescaline or cannabis) - and all of the advancements "the drug culture" and the creation of synthetic drugs in the 20th century happened within the context of drug prohibition; which is why any "fun" drug got - and continues to get - banned, once it reaches a certain critical mass of popular use - as MDMA did in the 1980s, for example, or popular RCs do now.

And the risks, frankly, cannot be overstated, especially with some users who do not seek - or choose to disregard what little solid - or anecdotal information is available on some of these compounds.

What is really scary is the amount of people buying and consuming research chemicals without the slightest hint of the risk they are taking - such as those with the later generations of cannabinoid "blends" - random chemicals with unknown effedts taken at unknown doses with unknown contraindications or known health risks....for example.
 
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I totally agree there's some dangerous shit goin on out there and the easy access to get them on the web is a totally new concept. I think the greed has just totally taken over. That being said if I was younger and in a better frame of mind I'd be all over the new psychs. I tried the old jwh cannabanoids and the were good, a bit heavy but I enjoyed them, but I just got some recently and HOLY SHIT!!! It reminds me of speed mixed with low grade short acting LSD or something, shit just made me eat myself up if that makes any sense? Very dirty feeling, like the crack of the new generation is the best way I can explain it. Tolerance builds immediately, even the heavy shitty effects fade fast. I'm not anti rc or nothing but the more they tamper with the jwh the worse it gets IMO. Shit will make you delusional if your not ready for it. That's really all I've tried so I can't judge anything except the new, non jwh synths. All those fent analogs seem really scary too being active at such minuscule dosages, if u even touch some of this shit it can kill u. But yet I can go cop them in 10 seconds. Idk you know, I'm really loking forward to a decent opioid rc that's dosed out right but I don't see that coming soon, bunch of crazyness or shit that doesn't even work as good as morphine(orally it's trash). Lotta good benzos it seems like but that's a whole nother can of worms. I just think some of the stuff is scary and I know a lot of people aren't doing their homework before they cop some of this shit. Even really smart people are dying from miscalculating dosages, it's just a crazy world but I still don't want gov. Banning everything, that's not the answer either so it's hard to call it...
 
Hmm yes I got scared just reading about the potential horrors of cannabinoids, your right its alot worse with money being the only driving force. but im sure money is the only driving force with street dealers too, its just they didnt have the opportunity beforehand to invent these things.

Its like a pandoras box I guess.

Making me anxious just thinking about this foolishness now, :P
 
Just do as much reading as you can if you plan to experiment.
There are smarter ways to explore this world.
Safer ways to go about it than others.
Personally, I am a big fan of certain 4-sub tryptamines and feel blessed to have had a chance to experience them.
When I first took acid 15 years ago, I never suspected so many new psychedelics would become available.
Again though - some have a reputation for being safer than others.
Nothing in the drug world is totally risk-free; this is as true for alcohol or pharmaceutical medications as it is for research chemicals.
 
Today's RC culture is worse because:
  • It is more capitalistic and profit driven. It's out of the hands of researchers and is now a mainstream business enterprise. This is bad because vendors do not care about consumers' health, only their money and are therefore willing to sell anything they can get away with.
  • Because of the 'legal highs', it has become more socially acceptable to take 'mystery white powders', or novel psychoactive substances with little regard for health. This is a direct result of their uncontrolled status, many have falsely assumed that a legal drug is a safe drug.
  • People choose RCs because they are legal and easily available. This is another direct result of drug prohibition laws. This is bad because there are often comparable illegal drugs with better safety profiles.
 
Yes I was just thinking how its due to 'rampant unchecked capitalism' similar to how the chinese are making fake synthetic eggs and selling it back to their own ppl.

I think probably the most likely way is going to be a blanket ban. The best way may be to legalise all but obv that wont happen so they will go the other extreme instead.

Probably after some crisis where alot of ppl die forcing them to take action.
 
Meth was first synthesised in 1919 so to say the Germans didn't research on humans before unleashing these drugs onto their soldiers is a little naive. In fact you could argue that medicines today are poorly researched in comparison because of stricter medical ethics guidelines. MDMA was first synthesised in the 1920's so we had a good 60-70 years of therapeutic and recreational data to reference. Likewise the us military spent many decades playing with LSD to understand its safety profile.

Compare this with the steady stream of today's new compounds that are little more than Frankenstein creations rushed out to a ready made internet fuelled market so as to try and circumvent legal loop holes for long enough until the next one is banned.
 
Its greed and greed alone driving this??? Are you for serious??? It couldnt possibly be people constantly seeking a new high? Or the war on drugs forcing people to look for something thats legal AND undetectable in a drug test?
 
I could buy that if they were in fact a better high than the tried and tested. The fact something is legal is a terrible reason to buy a drug
 
FUCK YES!!! We used to do 2C's & DOC...... All the originals but now just about all of it is so dangerous.the other stuff was too but nothing like the rc's of today!

EDIT: The only one I think is great and close to safe is Etizolam. i didnt try the othe rc benzos so i cant comment on them, providing you don't give yourself a physical dependence because I remember hearing it has SSRI qualities so if you got a bad habit you have not only benzo WD's but also horrible SSRI WDs too.
 
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Libertin said:
Today's RC culture is worse because:
  • It is more capitalistic and profit driven. It's out of the hands of researchers and is now a mainstream business enterprise. This is bad because vendors do not care about consumers' health, only their money and are therefore willing to sell anything they can get away with.
  • Because of the 'legal highs', it has become more socially acceptable to take 'mystery white powders', or novel psychoactive substances with little regard for health. This is a direct result of their uncontrolled status, many have falsely assumed that a legal drug is a safe drug.
  • People choose RCs because they are legal and easily available. This is another direct result of drug prohibition laws. This is bad because there are often comparable illegal drugs with better safety profiles.
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Totally agree with all of this. I wish I had never tried mephedrone and I'm very glad I've never tried "spice." I did a lot of psychedelic RCs in college and while they probably contributed to my HPPD they thankfully didn't fuck me up more than any other psych (which is to say they didn't cause lasting negative effects at all). My HPPD has waned and is extremely minor nowadays to the point of being irrelevant.
 
I think that RC culture is neither good nor bad: it is inevitable. In order for progress to be made, testing must be done and novel compounds discovered. The next generation will be enjoying some of the substances that were RC's in our time. And by RC's I don't necessarily even mean just synthetic substances. There are plenty of plants and even psychedelic animals which hold much promise, yet to be researched. Every synthetic drug was new at some point, some were good whereas others were less desirable. The great majority, in fact, were undesirable. The fact that we have LSD and amphetamine today is thanks to the many trials and errors that scientists and psychonauts alike progressed through. Out of the many "bad" chemicals we discover, according to some bath salts, for example, we will discover a couple of keepers that we will enjoy has a species for generations to come.
 
Libertin said:
Today's RC culture is worse because:
  • It is more capitalistic and profit driven. It's out of the hands of researchers and is now a mainstream business enterprise. This is bad because vendors do not care about consumers' health, only their money and are therefore willing to sell anything they can get away with.
  • Because of the 'legal highs', it has become more socially acceptable to take 'mystery white powders', or novel psychoactive substances with little regard for health. This is a direct result of their uncontrolled status, many have falsely assumed that a legal drug is a safe drug.
  • People choose RCs because they are legal and easily available. This is another direct result of drug prohibition laws. This is bad because there are often comparable illegal drugs with better safety profiles.
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I totally agree and would like to add some points:
# People think that because its "legal" the stuff is legit and pure. But who knows under what circcumstances its produced in some chinese backyards. Nobody knows about inpurities and if the stuff is even the one ordered. Vendors can be as sketchy as dealers.
# Some things are just too easy to get. Just imagine all the people complaining going through withdrawls because etizolam got banned.
# Because you can buy the stuff on the internet you dont have to socialize any more. Not that its bad to avoid some parts of the drug scene, but beeing kind of isolated dont seems appealing to me.
 
the_ketaman said:
FUCK YES!!! We used to do 2C's & DOC...... All the originals but now just about all of it is so dangerous.the other stuff was too but nothing like the rc's of today!

EDIT: The only one I think is great and close to safe is Etizolam. i didnt try the othe rc benzos so i cant comment on them, providing you don't give yourself a physical dependence because I remember hearing it has SSRI qualities so if you got a bad habit you have not only benzo WD's but also horrible SSRI WDs too.
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I've never even taken an RC but I've been reading so many people on here saying that the 4-Aco drugs like 4-Aco-DMT and also drugs like DiPT are relatively safe that I don't know why you assume that almost every single one of the RCs is "so dangerous".

Sounds from what I have read like a lot of them are in the same family as Shrooms, LSD and Mescaline and may not have altogether that many differences in terms of risks, but really I don't know jack shit so I could be totally wrong.
 
weekend addiction said:
I don't know. I kind of like the idea that a few of the drugs I've done are RC's. It's nice to be the first to do something even if its risky.
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I usually make sure not to be the first, wouldn't want my "trip report" to be written by the Coroner ;)

My preferred RC's are the tried and tested ones, often some that have a pharmacological history.
 
One Thousand Words said:
I could buy that if they were in fact a better high than the tried and tested.
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Ever since I began splitting my time between the US and Canada I have gained access to quality RC's that are "tried and tested" former pharmaceuticals. Those are often banned or unavailable here but not in Canada where the whole mentality regarding drug regulation is a galaxy away from the FDA's. As a chronic user of so-called "clean stims" I get all I need just tapping my keyboard. Down here I use prescription methylphenidate because the RC scene is just not happening.
 
A lot of RC's are shitty and more dangerous than their illegal counterparts, and are synnthesized just to pass analogue laws and such, but there are some really great ones out there, that are theortically safe, some have been around for a while, just didn't make it to a large "mainstream" audience of drug users until the internet ie. 2Cx

But i think none the less one could categorically say yes, the booming RC markt is more dangerous to users, than when drugs came out before, mainly because of the sheer number of RC's coming out, so many, however there is definately a part of fear mongring by the mdia (like with mephedrone or MXE in the UK)
 
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