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^It's been pretty clear from the beginning that Brown assaulted the officer before fleeing.

If Johnson recants his testimony that Brown had surrendered before getting shot 5 more times, conservative media can have their field day and celebrate this death.
 
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Really surprised no one posted this yet. Unfortunately I sort of saw this coming... I guess he got his wish for police to shoot him. The media and everyone is just having a field day with this and fanning the flames. This shit has just gone crazy.

TUELLER MATTERS: Huffington Post Reporters Attempt To Fan Racial Tension In Missouri

Posted by Bob Owens on August 21, 2014 at 10:40 am

Huffington Post writers Ryan Grim and Ashley Alman—like their compatriot Ryan “Ear Plugs” Reilly—seem far more intent on ginning up tensions in Missouri than they are merely reporting events on the ground.

On Tuesday, 25-year-old Kajieme Powell took two energy drinks from a St. Louis convenience store and walked out without paying. Moments later, Powell went back into the store, grabbed pastries, and walked back outside. He then threw the items on the ground when confronted by the shopkeeper. The shopkeeper then called police.

Two SLPD officers arrived, and the following took place, as recorded by a witness on his cell phone camera. The witness began filming Powell’s erratic behavior for more than a minute before the police SUV arrived.



As soon as the officers arrive and step out of their vehicle, Powell steps forward, calling “Shoot me!” repeatedly. He produces a knife from somewhere on his body.

You then hear the officers telling Powell the drop the knife. Instead, Powell circles to his left up a small rise into a parking lot. Officers continue to tell Powell, “drop the knife.” The man filming the encounter drops an expletive, apparently understanding just how dangerous the situation has become for everyone involved.

Powell then begins closing down the distance on the officer standing outside the passenger side of the police SUV, walking directly toward the officer.

I’d estimate the distance at not more than 12 feet… almost half the distance of the Tueller Drill, which is what cops and civilians alike have come to understand is the “danger zone” of an attacker with a knife. The Tueller drill notes that a man with a knife can cover roughly 21 feet and be on a man with a holstered gun in 1.5 seconds, which is about as fast a trained shooter can draw and fire a shot. It is likely that the officers allowed Powell to nearly halve this distance because they hand both drawn their weapons, and there were two officers instead of just one of them.

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Powell continues his advance towards the closest (passenger side) officer, knife in his right hand, held waist-high. One or both officers fires as he closes to within 8-9 feet and leans in (below).

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The officer(s) fire six, deliberate, aimed shots at a steady cadence, and Powell falls to the ground, rolling towards the officers. Three more shots are fired as Powell is on the ground, rolling towards the closest officer. Powell moves both his arms and seems to be attempting to sit up as the nearest officer covers him.

Powell is just three feet away from the officer. After a few seconds, he stops moving. The nearest officer appears to pluck something from the ground—Powell’s knife?—and tosses it several feet away before rolling Powell over to handcuff him.

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It is a horrible situation, brought about by Powell’s bizarre behavior and his refusal to drop his weapon as he closed on police officers to an incredibly close range. This forcing an officer to defend himself is often referred to as “suicide by cop.”

The two Huffington Post reporters, Grim and Alman, seem intent on turning the tragedy into another political firestorm by questioning the actions of the officers, asserting some soft of cover-up or conspiracy:


St. Louis Police Chief Sam Dotson said Tuesday that both of the officers opened fire on Powell when he came within a three or four feet of them holding a knife “in an overhand grip.”

But the newly released cell phone footage undermines the statement, showing Powell approaching the cops, but not coming as close as was reported, with his hands at his side. The officers began shooting within 15 seconds of their arrival, hitting Powell with a barrage of bullets.

The St. Louis Metropolitan Police Department released the video and 911 calls, telling St. Louis Public Radio that it plans to act transparently.

The shooting death occurred less than four miles from where Michael Brown was fatally shot by a police officer in the suburb of Ferguson on Aug. 9.

The Huffington Post agitators take issue with Dotson’s description of Powell holding the knife “in an overhand grip,” and Powell’s distance to the officers. It is undisputed that officers opened fire on Powell at the incredibly closed distance if 8-9 feet, and that he stopped just three feet from the closest officer.

Let’s look at their other point of contention, that they apparently don’t believe Powell was holding the knife in an “overhand grip.”
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(Continued) This (below) is an overhand grip. An overhand grip is nothing more or less than the blade of the knife being oriented to come out the top (thumb side) of the hand.

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And underhand grip (below) is a grip on the knife which is oriented to come out the bottom of the hand, opposite the thumb.

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Neither position has anything to do with the angle or height at which the knife was held.

It merely describes the type of grip on the knife.

Huffington Post writers Ryan Grim and Ashley Alman attempt to impeach the claims of Chief Dotson by conflating the grip type with the height at which Powell carried the knife, in what appears to be a blatant attempt to add to tensions between law enforcement officers in the St. Louis area and the local African-American community. These tensions are already uncomfortably high as a result of the rioting following the shooting of Michael Brown by Ferguson Police Officer Darren Wilson.

Cheif Dotson’s claims were not “undermined” at all, despite another apparent attempt by Huffington Post reporters to add to racial tensions in Missouri.

Perhaps as punishment someone should shoot these dishonest agitators with “rubber bullets.”

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http://bearingarms.com/tueller-matt...orters-attempt-fan-racial-tension-missouri/2/
 
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^ Links?

Something else: That there is as much media coverage has been said to have possibly escalated the situation.

Media have also been attacked by rioters/protesters.

In this, I think the frustration of police is completely understandable. Not that I believe their response is perfect.
 

To what? Just take a minute to search, the shit about this is all over.

Something else: That there is as much media coverage has been said to have possibly escalated the situation.

I agree... The mainstream media's job decades ago used to be to present facts, but now it's to sensationalize and get ratings at the cost of potentially being wrong and worsening situations as I think we're seeing here. A lot of people are too stupid and buy in to everything they're fed, but I think that's only one part of the equation.

Media have also been attacked by rioters/protesters.

Yup I read that one journalist's camera was smashed by a protester. They obviously only want certain things recorded (possibly out of context) and not the things that show the officers being in the right.

In this, I think the frustration of police is completely understandable. Not that I believe their response is perfect.

Nope, but like I said before they're in an extremely dangerous and volatile situation. I would like to see how the armchair criticizers would react in the officer's shoes.
 
Hear hear.

With the links, though, if material is copy/pasted from another source, they are appropriate. Not trying to be a stickler.
 
Ooops, I forgot to post the link at the end of the article I posted. I guess that's what you meant? Sorry 'bout that.
 
It's getting difficult to follow the sarcastic from the genuine comments in this thread, but in case you're being serious, those orange things above aren't rubber bullets, they're ear plugs.
Presumably (an attempt) to protect some individual from harm inflicted by aural crowd despersal devices.
Rubber bullets look nothing like that.
 
Do you really think that inequality and oppression of black people stopped with the end of slavery? You need a history lesson. And I don't mean that in a condescending way - we don't always see eye to eye on some issues but generally I respect you as someone with a degree of empathy and the ability to think a bit deeper about stuff. There are very deep structural issues that affect black communities in America and, while things have improved in the last few decades, they are still perpetuated through to this very day. When you get the time I'd highly recommend reading this article, it goes far deeper into the real issues of race that still afflict American society. It's a long read but it's worth taking the time to delve into.

http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2014/05/the-case-for-reparations/361631/

In this particular case, from my perspective, whether this kid was a "thug" or not - whether he assaulted the cop or not - the rage and resentment that has exploded goes much, much deeper than this one kid. And the response of the police to the protests should be cause for concern for any right thinking person - is this the sort of country you really want to live in? Where police declare martial law. Where the police arrest and assault journalists for doing their job? Where the right to free assembly is rendered null and void? Where the police behave like an occupying force and don't in any way represent the neighbourhoods they're supposed to be protecting?


Its so funny how you and spaceballs talk about this stuff like you live here. You idiots dont know. Please, climb down from your high horses. You lost this one.

And realtalk, i guess you took offense to what i said about 2pac even tho i wasnt talking about you or referring to something you said but i do appreciate the comments about me, thanks, but i was referring to how spaceballs thinks he knows everything including what a black man in southern california feels. sorry.

Ya realtalk, you can kindly fuck off cause you dont know me and i dont know you so unless i refer to you in a post just keep moving down the screen. You dont have to come at me like that when i dont even know you.

Why dont you guys worry about your aussie problems and we will be just fine. Stick your nose in your own business and dont worry abotu what we are doing. If you hate this country so much, why do you devote so much of your time and attention to it?
 
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Fuck I can't wait to laugh at the deadshits when it's THEIR community being over-run by police paramilitaries. As the empire decline you can rest assured it's won't be the "caliphate" they'll be using all of that military equipment against :\

Thats a pretty fucked up statement right there. Wishing ill on people. Dont know if you mean the people here or just americans in general, but thats got some serious venom behind it. Why, have you been fucked over by an american? If so, i can understand that better but if its just based on your flimsy beliefs on what you think its like here then, wow, thats amazing.

And if it starts gong down like that, im sure australia will be right there. Im sure those aboriginal people got some beef with you guys.
 
Why dont you guys worry about your aussie problems and we will be just fine. Stick your nose in your own business and dont worry abotu what we are doing. If you hate this country so much, why do you devote so much of your time and attention to it?

Maybe because through economic manipulation and natural resource exploitation the US had/has(?) risen to the top, socio-economically, to the point that other cultures, especially western ones, sometimes get confused, and think that the US actually did something right to get where it is. Some policy makers know what true direction many of these policies go in, and use the confusion to further manipulate their naive colleagues and public into mimicking the US in order to benefit their personal beliefs. So, the USs' business has become the business of everyone now that its hands are mixed in nearly everything, and positive/negative things with or without propaganda are being spewed out worldwide.

The US is no longer (relative to other collective entities) at the top, but not everyone has gotten the point yet, and people see this kind of shit (para-militarization), and use it as justification to treat their own people in a similar manner. I mean if the US does it, it must be ok right? From the supposed 'freest' country on earth I would expect far more, and it is worrisome that some western countries (e.g. Australia and England) are following blindly, and other countries are still integrating other failed US policies although they are against the best interests of their people.

So how about you stop being such an ass, and fucking admit to the police state within which you live that you are so proud of. Compare your country to other developed countries, excluding Australia or England. (aka putting your nose where it doesn't belong? your nose must hate you for your deprivations) Who nose what you might find? Maybe if you would stick your nose into other people business a little more often you would realize your business involves defending a cardboard box. People are sticking their noses where they, 'don't belong', because perhaps your stink is becoming oppressive. Perspective can be a beautiful thing.
 
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Nope, but like I said before they're in an extremely dangerous and volatile situation. I would like to see how the armchair criticizers would react in the officer's shoes.

As far as i'm concerned the protesters should be more organized and use live rounds on the police. They wouldn't be so tough with someone shooting back at them. As for the police response there is no need to have police running around in armored vehicles meant to stop mines and gun fire. Not to mention thsy are actually pointing the guns at the direction of the protesters thus directly antagonizing them. It's basically a occupation and reminds me alot of the war measures act that the Liberal cunt Trudeau put in during the October Crises. Only you guys haven't implicated interment without trial yet.
 
What in the fuck would that accomplish?

I doubt you have been following this like I have, but they have been shot at... And guess what? They didn't fire back. Probably because they didnt want to hit just anyone, and couldn't see the guilty.
 
What NEEDS to happen is an end to the drug war. No other thing has caused such a divide. Cops shouldn't be the enemy. And neither should people.
 
What NEEDS to happen is an end to the drug war. No other thing has caused such a divide. Cops shouldn't be the enemy. And neither should people.

Didn't i tell you this would blow over soon. Sooner then i thought actually. On to the next tragedy....
 
As far as i'm concerned the protesters should be more organized and use live rounds on the police. They wouldn't be so tough with someone shooting back at them. As for the police response there is no need to have police running around in armored vehicles meant to stop mines and gun fire. Not to mention thsy are actually pointing the guns at the direction of the protesters thus directly antagonizing them. It's basically a occupation and reminds me alot of the war measures act that the Liberal cunt Trudeau put in during the October Crises. Only you guys haven't implicated interment without trial yet.
I totally agree.
Fight fire with fire.

Also, legaliseall, I know a lot more about America than you; I just don't live there.
I am not going to explain this any further, because you're a waste of time. But trust me, I live in Australia, but that does not mean my knowledge of the world (or connection with people very close to me) aren't American residents, dual citizens or American born.

You're out of your element, sonny Jim.
 
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