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So some researchers at the University of Turin, Italy just published this article on the antioxidant powers of chamomile

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24980540

I'm having trouble finding anything on how chamomile interacts with the GABA system, but I was wondering if it could be potentially good or neuroprotective for a person experiencing glutamate excitotoxicity.

according to wikipedia Apigenin "shows second-order positive modulatory activity at GABAA receptors." apparently it effects NMDA and Adenosine as well, but none of the cited articles have links to an online version.

this article about Apigenin makes me a bit hopeful

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19441930
 
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Maybe it's the flavonoids, maybe it's the terpenes. Maybe both. In fact, I would put money that it's the whole cocktail of compounds that gives it sedative efficacy - any one of them on their own is probably not as effective as the whole chamomile flower.

Apigenin is not a very good drug, pharmacokinetically speaking. It has erratic oral bioavailibility and undergoes metabolism in the liver to a variety of other compounds, depending on a bunch of things like personal genetics, other drugs being taken that induce or inhibit liver enzymes, set and setting etc. Apiin is a compound of apigenin with two sugars, a prodrug of sorts, found in parsley. It only has an oral BA of about 0.22% (+/- 0.16%), which is pretty low and highly variable. But at least a small portion is absorbed. [ref] That could change if you take enough of it or you have other terpenes inhibiting metabolism.

Apigenin and the like can't be smoked because they will be destroyed rapidly, and can't really be injected either because they are not very water soluble. So the best method to get them into your body may indeed be as a tea mixed with other terpenes and the like to make sure at least a little bit of everything gets to your brain.

However, apigenin and its glycosides* (sugar compounds) have been demonstrated to bind to the same site that benzodiazepines do; so presumably this is why it exerts its sedative and calming effects.

What is clear is that chamomile tea is a good sedative; it's been used traditionally for hundreds of years with great success. Medically related plants like lavender (contains linalool and other terpenes/flavones) and hops (contains sesquiterpenes like humulene, caryophyllene, and hop alpha acids like humulone etc) are observed to have a strong sedative effect presumably mediated through some sort of GABAergic, glutamate, or cannabinoid-mediated pathways. People picking hops have been known to fall asleep on top of ladders and hurt themselves, it's that powerful as a sedative, just from smelling it.

There is actually quite a lot of research on the sedative properties of linalool from lavender, for instance, that suggests it works by acting as a serotonin 5HT1a agonist to reduce anxiety - like cannabidiol. And caryophyllene is a CB2 receptor agonist (also like CBD) that is present in many plants, herbs, and spices.

I don't think anyone has become dependent on chamomile tea to sleep either. But I wouldn't be surprised if chamomile withdrawal was a thing that could happen, given what we know about it an its constituent chemicals. It probably takes a lot of chamomile :P

It would be interesting to see if chamomile tea substitutes for, or helps out with chronic benzodiazepine usage. Both treat the same sort of set of symptoms and hit the same receptor, so it's worth a try!

Plants are wonderful, and we have the tools and technology to figure out exactly what all their magical compounds are (like HPLC, NMR, all that stuff), and do (radioligands for cell assays, binding simulations, high throughput screening) these days. We are living in a golden age of pharmacy.

* On glycosides: Glycosides are compounds made from binding a sugar molecule to another molecule. They're abundant in nature, because sugar molecules are very polar and make compounds more water soluble. It's a good way for cells to excrete molecules as waste, or for defense. Your body does this with drugs like codeine, morphine, acetaminophen, all sorts of things. Salicin from willow bark is a glycoside that breaks down into salicylic acid - the painkiller drug that is a precursor to aspirin.

I could keep writing, but I'll stop now. :)
 
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Apigenin is not a very good drug, pharmacokinetically speaking. It has erratic oral bioavailibility and undergoes metabolism in the liver to a variety of other compounds, depending on a bunch of things like personal genetics, other drugs being taken that induce or inhibit liver enzymes, set and setting etc. Apiin is a compound of apigenin with two sugars, a prodrug of sorts, found in parsley. It only has an oral BA of about 0.22% (+/- 0.16%), which is pretty low and highly variable. But at least a small portion is absorbed. [ref] That could change if you take enough of it or you have other terpenes inhibiting metabolism.

Until there is a full study addressing the bioavailability of actual Apigenin freebase in chamomile tea, we really can't say if apigenin has a low bioavailability or not.
 
Maybe it's the flavonoids, maybe it's the terpenes. Maybe both. In fact, I would put money that it's the whole cocktail of compounds that gives it sedative efficacy - any one of them on their own is probably not as effective as the whole chamomile flower.

Apigenin is not a very good drug, pharmacokinetically speaking. It has erratic oral bioavailibility and undergoes metabolism in the liver to a variety of other compounds, depending on a bunch of things like personal genetics, other drugs being taken that induce or inhibit liver enzymes, set and setting etc. Apiin is a compound of apigenin with two sugars, a prodrug of sorts, found in parsley. It only has an oral BA of about 0.22% (+/- 0.16%), which is pretty low and highly variable. But at least a small portion is absorbed. [ref] That could change if you take enough of it or you have other terpenes inhibiting metabolism.

Apigenin and the like can't be smoked because they will be destroyed rapidly, and can't really be injected either because they are not very water soluble. So the best method to get them into your body may indeed be as a tea mixed with other terpenes and the like to make sure at least a little bit of everything gets to your brain.

However, apigenin and its glycosides* (sugar compounds) have been demonstrated to bind to the same site that benzodiazepines do; so presumably this is why it exerts its sedative and calming effects.

What is clear is that chamomile tea is a good sedative; it's been used traditionally for hundreds of years with great success. Medically related plants like lavender (contains linalool and other terpenes/flavones) and hops (contains sesquiterpenes like humulene, caryophyllene, and hop alpha acids like humulone etc) are observed to have a strong sedative effect presumably mediated through some sort of GABAergic, glutamate, or cannabinoid-mediated pathways. People picking hops have been known to fall asleep on top of ladders and hurt themselves, it's that powerful as a sedative, just from smelling it.

There is actually quite a lot of research on the sedative properties of linalool from lavender, for instance, that suggests it works by acting as a serotonin 5HT1a agonist to reduce anxiety - like cannabidiol. And caryophyllene is a CB2 receptor agonist (also like CBD) that is present in many plants, herbs, and spices.

I don't think anyone has become dependent on chamomile tea to sleep either. But I wouldn't be surprised if chamomile withdrawal was a thing that could happen, given what we know about it an its constituent chemicals. It probably takes a lot of chamomile :P

It would be interesting to see if chamomile tea substitutes for, or helps out with chronic benzodiazepine usage. Both treat the same sort of set of symptoms and hit the same receptor, so it's worth a try!

Plants are wonderful, and we have the tools and technology to figure out exactly what all their magical compounds are (like HPLC, NMR, all that stuff), and do (radioligands for cell assays, binding simulations, high throughput screening) these days. We are living in a golden age of pharmacy.

* On glycosides: Glycosides are compounds made from binding a sugar molecule to another molecule. They're abundant in nature, because sugar molecules are very polar and make compounds more water soluble. It's a good way for cells to excrete molecules as waste, or for defense. Your body does this with drugs like codeine, morphine, acetaminophen, all sorts of things. Salicin from willow bark is a glycoside that breaks down into salicylic acid - the painkiller drug that is a precursor to aspirin.

I could keep writing, but I'll stop now. :)

Keep going :D Enjoyed the facts about terpenes and their affinities- that sort of talk is almost like phone sex for me ^_^
 
thanks for the incredibly informative post sekio, I knew it'd come sooner or later =D

luckily I'm not dependent on any GABA drugs, but I know a few people who are struggling with that currently. I think next time I'm with someone who's panicking thinking they're going to have a seizure if they don't get benzos soon I will serve them a cup of chamomile tea to (hopefully) calm their nerves.
 
Chamomile tends to have paradoxical reactions in benzo withdrawal... As most things do. If its even remotely GABAergic, it should be avoided or it can cause a rebound effect that results in worsening of withdrawal symptoms.

If its a stop gap because someone is out of benzos, I can possibly see it but if the person is actually tapering or recently off of benzos, you can make things much worse for them.
 
well that goes to show how much I know about benzo withdrawal... not much. I'm glad I was so wary of becoming dependent from the beginning because it really sounds like ütter shïte. I'm not talking about people who were ever prescribed them, just people that abused them nonstop for long enough to get very panicky acute withdrawal symptoms afterwards, thinking they're about to have a seizure and die.
 
I like drinking chamomile, it definitely relaxes me but it's not that strong. I thought it might just be drinking a warm drink that relaxes me (like having a nice hot chocolate) but I've used 2/3 teabags in one cup and it seems more relaxing although the effects are very short lived. If I get a herb garden set up in my next house I'll definitive plant some.
 
well that goes to show how much I know about benzo withdrawal... not much. I'm glad I was so wary of becoming dependent from the beginning because it really sounds like ütter shïte. I'm not talking about people who were ever prescribed them, just people that abused them nonstop for long enough to get very panicky acute withdrawal symptoms afterwards, thinking they're about to have a seizure and die.

Yeah if they are occasional abusers and not taking them daily as prescribed, chamomile might help but honestly, something like Relora or a straight magnolia bark extract (high in honokiol and magnolol) is far more likely to work.

Keep in mind that a lot of people are allergic to chamomile too, ragweed allergy is one of the more common allergies.
 
Yeah if they are occasional abusers and not taking them daily as prescribed, chamomile might help but honestly, something like Relora or a straight magnolia bark extract (high in honokiol and magnolol) is far more likely to work.

Keep in mind that a lot of people are allergic to chamomile too, ragweed allergy is one of the more common allergies.

But aren't those molecules just second order positive allosteric modulators of GABA-A? To prevent benzodiazepine withdrawl you would need a molecule that actually bind to the benzodiazepine sites on GABA-A (first order PAM). Apigenin even works as a benzodiazepine and a second order positive allosteric modulator.

Or am I mistaken and they do bind to the same sites as benzodiazepines?
 
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