MDPV Megathread 11: Still sorting all the porn.

[Jesusgreen]

Updated my post above. Fair enough, shame, it's a top class stim, reputation does it no good. I think the key with PV is just not to buy insane amounts, like even a gram is the equivalent to buying like 10g+ of good Coke, which you wouldn't normally buy in one go or you'd end up binging the stuff pretty hard. I find a good way to not overdo the PV is just to buy a gram but split it with friends so you only get about 150-300mg yourself, get a few days of partying in, and then not have to worry about being awake the next 3 weeks.

If you want something more mild and functional Pentedrone is a good choice though as I said, even Buphedrone too if you really want functionality and not much euphoria, that stuff would make great energy drinks if nothing else.

 

[Bella Figura]

Yeah I wouldn't say MDPV is in some other league of irreparable harm compared to meth or coke.

You just need a little self control which is something you appear to have Dan

Benzos help too.

 

[THCified]

Finally some more ppl to talk in here What would you guys say about how viable MDPV is to treat ADHD? And what about to avoid side-effects, i mean i know i should drink enough, eat enough, vitamins and that shite! Obviously and no problem, i do eat on PV with no problems... the getting carried away in details thing is something that is a pesky fuckin' thing that can really get outta control if you do more n' more (or too much at once)... also added to my 'to solve'-list when using PV!

What about toxicity, are there any things we definitely know... i mean it's out there for some time now and many ingested it!? What do you think?

 

[clara]

The ban really sucks, I've been using PV on and off for 5 years or so (every ROA). THC, I would not want to use it for ADHD, after a few hits I get scatter brained. Things to watch out for? Porn, Vasoconstriction, bruxism, and 'chasing the dragon'. I've got some Pentedrone coming with my last order of PV, hopefully it will be on par.

 

[Sammy G]

Finally some more ppl to talk in here What would you guys say about how viable MDPV is to treat ADHD?

If it's properly diagnosed ADHD, then ask your doctor.

If it's self-diagnosed, stimulant-use-rationalising 'ADHD' then it may be time for you to think about the real motivation behind your drug use.

In either case, no. It's a lousy idea. MDPV is not a 'functional' stim. Take it from a longtime self-deceiving self-medicator.

 

[Jesusgreen]

Finally some more ppl to talk in here What would you guys say about how viable MDPV is to treat ADHD? And what about to avoid side-effects, i mean i know i should drink enough, eat enough, vitamins and that shite! Obviously and no problem, i do eat on PV with no problems... the getting carried away in details thing is something that is a pesky fuckin' thing that can really get outta control if you do more n' more (or too much at once)... also added to my 'to solve'-list when using PV!

What about toxicity, are there any things we definitely know... i mean it's out there for some time now and many ingested it!? What do you think?

Honestly I'd be wary about self-medicating with MDPV, but personally I think it's a much cleaner stimulant than Amphetamine or Methylphenidate, the two stimulants that are actually prescribed for ADHD, so if you can get the dosing right and stick to a routine I think you'll get better results than either of those. Just be aware that no matter how rigid you are at sticking to routines normally, MDPV will shake that up real good and make it reaaaaal difficult.

I think 3-5mg oral would be a good dose as a productive stimulant. Don't even think about other ROAs or pushing the dosage higher or you'll run into trouble pretty quick. If you can actually manage to stick to that dosage then props to you and you'll probably actually do pretty well with it - but if you can't, then have fun with the rest and ditch the idea and get your hands on some Piracetam or other nootropic that'll help but without the abuse potential.

 

[Sammy G]

personally I think it's a much cleaner stimulant than Amphetamine or Methylphenidate, the two stimulants that are actually prescribed for ADHD, so if you can get the dosing right and stick to a routine I think you'll get better results than either of those.

I take it that when you refer to achieving 'better results' with MDPV than amphetamine or methylphenidate (which I disagree with, but that's another matter), you're referring exclusively to unprescribed use of the latter two substances?

If not, then you're essentially advocating individuals with (actual, diagnosed) ADHD dumping their meds and experimenting with an RC stimulant with a well-deserved reputation for being 'problematic' to say the least. 8)

If that's not the case, then please make it clear, because otherwise that's potentially dangerous advice. Verging on the absurd.

 

[THCified]

Well i'm not stupid and to make things clear - i wouldn't dump my meds (why would i, i get them for free ?) and i don't think PV is actually a good idea as a long-term replacement as it's unresearched, but for short-time/or 'emergency'-kinda situations it's, as i think (and found it to be), becoming very handy, but i also wouldn't wanna use the XR MPH i'm getting prescribed, as a long-term and even more so, continuous medication. I take it (or both) only if necessary, as i don't wanna down-regulate my receptors (or cause some permanent kinda damage or whatever might happen if i do so).

As i'm (as most ADD/ADHD) people kinda multi-drug-using Person i know what trouble/issues i do cause taking something on a constant basis, especially as i'm also taking strong pain-meds and other psychotropics that i'm getting prescribed, i.e. Oxycodone, Gabapentin and Diazepam - yeah i know that sounds oh-so-fuckin' good but well, it isn't - as there's actual reason for gettin' those.

That said (and as much as i appreciate some care ) there no reason clarifying what Jesusgreen said, as i know what situation i'm in and know how to handle me and my life, just as i know how to handle the shit i put into my body... and even if that might be too much too often with common-sense i know how and where to set my personal boundaries very well (most of the time ).

...so what about MDPV toxicity? I know there's a search-engine (just as there's Google!) but perhaps ppl with more experience in PV (even though mine is slowly growing more n' more extensive), please add some more input/practical experience and the like - and make me happy

So to close this post and provide kinda in-depth knowledge: MDPV (+-30-40mgs/day intranasally administered in varying doses) + MDAI (+-150mgs/plugged at once, approx. 2hrs after the last PV-ingestion) = resulted in a fast onset providing a smoothness reminiscent of Ketamine/MXE-softening troughout the body; extremely enjoyable and followed by a good n' deep sleep of at least 5hrs! Felt fine afterwards just as the following day.

Subjective conclusion (as i don't recommend anything to anyone!): highly entertaining and fail-safe comedown-combo to get some quality sleep and perhaps (if ones capable of staying awake!) experience.

 

[Sammy G]

That said (and as much as i appreciate some care ) there no reason clarifying what Jesusgreen said, as i know what situation i'm in and know how to handle me and my life, just as i know how to handle the shit i put into my body... and even if that might be too much too often with common-sense i know how and where to set my personal boundaries very well (most of the time ).

Fair enough. Your choice.

Remember though, there are many people other than you reading this, some of whom may be in similar situation and be tempted to attempt a similar 'experiment', based on the fact a BL mod (whilst at the same time not advocating self-medication, it must be said) implied that MDPV may be 'more effective' than properly prescribed and controlled doses of medication in treating ADHD. That's why I took issue with the post.

I also recognise over-confidence when I see it, particularly when it comes to the ability to control MDPV. Hope it doesn't bite you the way it's bitten others, and best of luck. You'll need it.

 

[THCified]

^ In the end everyone's has to choose for oneself and so pay for the choices made, and said that i really do understand your point - even though i wouldn't say he's the one to blame per se. This is because if someone just does what others say, that's simply said stupidity in it's purest form and if doing so, by which i mean following things being adviced/suggested (i think you ppl get it?) and so blindly -OBEY!- (damn, i really do love John Carpenter's "They Live" btw if we can just forget "Rowdy" Roddy Piper as it's Leading Actor for one sec ) ...pfff, then i'd say in all plain honestly 'Good Luck and farewell!' - wherever you're heading to!

Hell me and my pain therapist, a somewhat very well-informed and kinda honest one in his special subject is a damn mofo and so we divided after he wanted to put me on a therapy consisting of daily morphine, but even though i've real bad issues with my back i simply do not need that, i need something that's working quick n' strong - to the point, and rarely something to take for a few days which is making the necessity for XR Opioids/daily dosing not as elementary as he meant, even though he knew everything about me! And you don't have to be smart ass knowing that daily dosing of any Opioid Compound leads straight into dependency... and at worst (or in most cases) addiction! But yeah, he was the 'specialist' and he knew better, and so i got got gently 'thrown' out of his office.

I'm tellin' this because i did my 'thing' and not 'his'... just because i couldn't see the point in what he's trying to instruct me to - and judging by his 'feedback' not many ppl have done something like that before 8)

As i afterwards visited someone i know very well, the doc which instructed me to go to this fucker of a pain therapist, just because they couldn't prescribe stronger pain-meds without confirmation by someone like that - and finally got what really helps: Oxycodone, both IR and XR, but on a 'take it as you need'-basis.

Coming back to me saying that i got your point, well i know that the BL-Mods really have to remain kinda serious and so have to take (more) care about what to say and advice, contrary to us!

I not too long ago decided to never ever recommend anything to anyone, because i don't wanna be the one being responsible if others harm or even worse, kill themselves... but in case that already might've happened -the recommendation thing (hopefully!) - well then i'm almost sure that must've been my dog, probably, since he's a really deceitful fucker )!

Another thing (and just for the Record): even though i once again appreciate your concerns - i already got 'bitten' by MDPV, in fact that stuff lacerated and tattered me to the point of (almost) no return! What i know is that it was pure insanity and even more crazy shit than tripping ~36hrs off of strong home-brewed and so ineffably deviant tasting tea containing a shitload of 'Brugmansia' flowers

But if we're honest things like this are the and only way to learn and bring us forward - so rest assured that i learned my lession and even if it was fuck'd up it also had it's beneficial effects (as unbelievable as this sounds)!

So that's exactly why i say that i know what i'm doing and what to look out for!

As diabolical as MDPV might be, it isn't so bad as everyone says it is..., it's 'just' potent as fuck and of course, no kiddy toy!

 

[monstanoodle]

Idiotically decided to get a couple of G's before the clock strikes NoVee.... Oh the stupidity... Why does it taste so good?

 

[mydrugbuddy]

THC, i think that i understand where Sam is coming from in his points; it seems to me that the vast majority of people who obtain PV are unable to stick to functional 3-5mg oral doses. But from what you say you may be one of those rare individuals who can, and be able to find the results you are looking for. I am unable to eat on PV, i find it difficult to even drink enough water as ridiculous as that sounds. I think that on just one occasion, i started off on a low "functional" dose, and it was highly functional, i was blitzing household chores at a hundred miles an hour and also multi tasking with it (that is very rare for me).

However, as soon as i could feel the starting dose wearing off, this is the danger point, at this stage it takes enormous self discipline to restrict yourself to another minimal 3-5mg oral dose, there will be strong cravings for a much higher dose, at which point you can wave goodbye to "functionality" and will probably spend hours on some poinless futile tasks like rearranging your internet favorites into new categories, or re-arranging and sorting the folders for your picture collection or something like that.

Monsta; judging by your post you sound like the majority of peeve users who struggle to maintain control with it, do you have anyone that you can leave the 2g of PV with, so for example you just take 200mg or something out of the 2g and leave the rest with them, and ask the person who's looking after it to not give you any more for a couple of weeks or something? Otherwise you could be up for 10 nights straight or something (worst case scenario)

 

[THCified]

Using MDPV so that it's remaining functional has nothing to do with the ROA (in my experience) even though i can't speak for vaping as i only snort/plug, with the latter being better to benefit from the functionality it has to offer as it's smoother and far less edgy, but also not as efficient because it hits not as hard-hitting.

And you're damn right that the higher the doses are and the more/longer you take it, the more it's initial-phase of effects you just very well described as 'highly functional blitzing at a hundred miles an hour while multi tasking', disappear and sooner than later turn into the well-known Peevee madness 8(

 

[mydrugbuddy]

I gather that in general bombing stims leads to an allround smoother experience, less complusive feeling to redose, snorting is pretty compulsive IME, and vapeing is even worse than that. Cant comment on plugging as that ROA doesnt work for me, and since i wasted 150mg of precious O-dt on that i decided not to bother any more. Which may be a rash decsion, im sure some drugs have a better effects profile when plugged, maybe i should try again. Definately not with Peeve though.

 

[Jesusgreen]

I take it that when you refer to achieving 'better results' with MDPV than amphetamine or methylphenidate (which I disagree with, but that's another matter), you're referring exclusively to unprescribed use of the latter two substances?

If not, then you're essentially advocating individuals with (actual, diagnosed) ADHD dumping their meds and experimenting with an RC stimulant with a well-deserved reputation for being 'problematic' to say the least. 8)

If that's not the case, then please make it clear, because otherwise that's potentially dangerous advice. Verging on the absurd.

I'm sort of referring to both - I think MDPV when used correctly causes less problems than Amphetamine or Methylphenidate when used correctly, regardless of the circumstances. I don't think self-medicating is the best idea, but I also think someone who thinks taking Amphetamine or Methylphenidate just because another person said it was okay is going to be any better. All of them are stimulants with real nasty effects if abused and plenty of long term side effects even if use is kept to the minimum but still regular.

Really I think the way to go for ADHD and the like is nootropics like Noopept, Piracetam etc, stimulants should be a last resort - but if you're going down that route, and you're going to self-medicate then I don't think MDPV is the worst choice. It's a derivative of Prolintane which is one of the safest stimulants physically. I imagine bk-Prolintane (a-PVP) and derivatives, MDPV included, will still be cardiotoxic in the long run, but there's no reason to suspect any level of neurotoxicity with MDPV, so you're at least going for a better bet than Amphetamine in that sense, since Amphetamine is *both* neurotoxic and cardiotoxic.

Methylphenidate falls into the same boat, cardiotoxic but not neurotoxic, and an NDRI like MDPV rather than a releaser (RIs in my opinion being a better bet for mental productivity, though that's another discussion.) and I don't think it's the worst choice in the world but anyone who's tried both, I'm surprised anyone can actually still call MDPV a dirty drug in comparison to something like MPH. MPH only has a very short peak despite staying active for quite a long time and post peak mental function seems to decrease compared to being sober rather than increase, so with IR at least you're taking something where you get an hour or so boost and then are left in a worse state than before. XR/ER Methylphenidate taken orally at low dosages I think is viable, and the best choice if you're going prescribed, and still a decent choice if you're self-medicating, as long as you stick to a firm dosing regimen.

I still think MDPV is cleaner though and with especially careful usage can be superior, the issue is more whether or not you can keep to that careful usage. As others have said, sticking to 3-5mg oral is going to be a challenge at best, and impossible at worst. Dosing higher than that and it's no longer going to be superior over anything, and you're better off avoiding it if you can't stick to a schedule like that.

Just my 2c, not claiming to be an expert on the subject, and no substitute for a doctor, but that's just my personal experience. MDPV is actually a very clean and lovely functional stimulant when you stick to those doses, bk-Prolintane (a-PVP) is even better in that respect. It is bloody hard to stick to it though, as someone who doesn't need a daily functional stimulant but just wanted to try it out for a short while I didn't manage as long as I planned, but I can't even manage 1 or 2 oral doses with MPH or Amphetamine and find them more compulsive in that respect so I still have to say my opinion stays the same

 

[Sammy G]

Really I think the way to go for ADHD and the like is nootropics like Noopept, Piracetam etc, stimulants should be a last resort - but if you're going down that route, and you're going to self-medicate then I don't think MDPV is the worst choice.

The best route for ADHD is to follow your doctor's advice, surely? Self-medicating with nootropics is obviously less dangerous than self-medicating with stimulants, but it's still self-medicating. Though with a doctor's supervision and approval, maybe nootropics could be immensely beneficial.

As for MDPV not being the worst choice for self-medication because it's relatively safe in terms of toxicity, I think you're completely failing to take into account the fact that MDPV's abuse / addiction potential far outstrips that of amphetamine / methylphenidate. It's like me recommending heroin for self-medication because it's 'safer' than diclofenac; it is, but the potential for problems outweighs any benefits.

At the end of the day, nobody should be 'self-medicating' their ADHD, and certainly not with a relatively-unknown and notoriously hazardous stimulant.

 

[ColtDan]

I think MDPV when used correctly

So far i've heard of almost nobody using this stuff "correctly", sensibly, whatever. could imagine reading through these last few pages people may get encouraged to try and self medicate with it "oh i'll try it, i can handle it, i wont get addicted or abuse it" etc. then it'll go majorly tits up

At the end of the day, nobody should be 'self-medicating' their ADHD, and certainly not with a relatively-unknown and notoriously hazardous stimulant.

This

 

[Sammy G]

So far i've heard of almost nobody using this stuff "correctly", sensibly, whatever.

Me neither.

Though I'm sure we'll soon have the pleasure of reading a 4000-word explanation from an enthusiastic MDPV user, explaining (in rambling fashion) how MDPV can be used responsibly.

could imagine reading through these last few pages people may get encouraged to try and self medicate with it "oh i'll try it, i can handle it, i wont get addicted or abuse it" etc. then it'll go majorly tits up

Yep. Scary shit.

 

[Jesusgreen]

Though I'm sure we'll soon have the pleasure of reading a 4000-word explanation from an enthusiastic MDPV user, explaining (in rambling fashion) how MDPV can be used responsibly.

That'll be 1g of PV please I'll get right on it

 

[THCified]

I think the only one who really needs some help/medication or self-medication is whiny lil' SammyG-Spot! I cannot understand what you're doing here if PV is sooooo bad for you..., don't you have something else to do, real life, you know? If i'd be your therapist i'd issue a gag order on you ...or just do what works for more than thousands of years: a slap right in the face