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Have I found the legendary "Tan MDPV"? (MDPBP)
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Shambles
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I really never understood the sceptical cynicism that tends to erupt whenever "tan peevee" is mentioned. There is good reason that it's spoken of with such reverance. It is not the same drug as "white peevee". I've been saying that consistently since the very first batch of white and got to sample a (sadly very small 
) sample of "tan" since then that somebody had had stashed away all these years cos they didn't get along with it and thought it should go to a good home. I'll not say there are no comparisons but I will say they are but superficial. The effects are just plain different. Similiar but very definitely different. It's analogous to people saying that MDA doesn't exist cos they've only ever come across MDMA.
But leaving that aside, given the supposed recent Chinese ban on manufacturing MDPV perhaps this MDPBP stuff could be a successor to the crown if nothing else. It has my interest anyway. If any reputable vendor happens to stock the stuff I'd certainly be buying if only to confirm or deny for myself. I know the difference and could tell the two apart in a blind taste test any day. FACT!
) sample of "tan" since then that somebody had had stashed away all these years cos they didn't get along with it and thought it should go to a good home. I'll not say there are no comparisons but I will say they are but superficial. The effects are just plain different. Similiar but very definitely different. It's analogous to people saying that MDA doesn't exist cos they've only ever come across MDMA.But leaving that aside, given the supposed recent Chinese ban on manufacturing MDPV perhaps this MDPBP stuff could be a successor to the crown if nothing else. It has my interest anyway. If any reputable vendor happens to stock the stuff I'd certainly be buying if only to confirm or deny for myself. I know the difference and could tell the two apart in a blind taste test any day. FACT!
F.U.B.A.R.
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Without trawling through the multitudinous pages of the MDPV thread, just what is so superior about the tan PV? I've not tried either thankfully (though I do have a perverse desire to visit the shadowlands), but could you equate it to the difference between phet and meth, or beer and whiskey say?
Shambles
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The most immediately notable differences would be stuff like...
- Physical effects: 'white' = intense vasoconstriction, chest/heart flutterings, tightness and discomfort (even at "normal 5-10mg doses), 'tan' = none of the above (again, at "normal" doses).
- Euphoria: 'white' = "specialist" (ie almost nobody likes it and even those that do wouldn't exactly describe it as 'euphoric'), 'tan' = intensely euphoric in the traditional sense that I'm fairly sure everybody who likes stims would 'get'.
- Monginess/Zoning out for hours/days/weeks: 'white' = most noticeable effect, 'tan' = barely noticeabe effect.
- Horniness: 'white' = obsessive, tan = just plain randy. (Kinda hard to quantify the difference here but you certainly know it when you try it
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- Potency: similar for both via every ROA other than IV. This is the effect that white simply cannot come close to replicating. With 'white' I would normally IV 30-50mg, with 'tan' 3mg was the single most intense and euphoric rush I've ever had from any drug ever. There is zero comparison when comparing IV doses. None.
Not that any of that will sway the opinions of those who know nowt on the matter cos they seem to have decided anyway. The differences are that it's just plain different. MDMA vs MDA is not such bad analogy, I reckon. One could be mistaken for t'other if somebody had only had one cos the effects sound broadly similar on paper, but anybody who has had both would know instantly which they were using.
- Physical effects: 'white' = intense vasoconstriction, chest/heart flutterings, tightness and discomfort (even at "normal 5-10mg doses), 'tan' = none of the above (again, at "normal" doses).
- Euphoria: 'white' = "specialist" (ie almost nobody likes it and even those that do wouldn't exactly describe it as 'euphoric'), 'tan' = intensely euphoric in the traditional sense that I'm fairly sure everybody who likes stims would 'get'.
- Monginess/Zoning out for hours/days/weeks: 'white' = most noticeable effect, 'tan' = barely noticeabe effect.
- Horniness: 'white' = obsessive, tan = just plain randy. (Kinda hard to quantify the difference here but you certainly know it when you try it
)- Potency: similar for both via every ROA other than IV. This is the effect that white simply cannot come close to replicating. With 'white' I would normally IV 30-50mg, with 'tan' 3mg was the single most intense and euphoric rush I've ever had from any drug ever. There is zero comparison when comparing IV doses. None.
Not that any of that will sway the opinions of those who know nowt on the matter cos they seem to have decided anyway. The differences are that it's just plain different. MDMA vs MDA is not such bad analogy, I reckon. One could be mistaken for t'other if somebody had only had one cos the effects sound broadly similar on paper, but anybody who has had both would know instantly which they were using.
F.U.B.A.R.
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Hmmm, sounds fuckin lush. I do like me stims and intend to get reacquainted with them very soon, so if the true identity of this mythical substance can be finally determined, I reckon I might have to seek some out...
Shambles
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It is fukkin lush 
Beyond lush in fact. 'White' is good stuff in its own right (if you like that sorta thing) but it's most definitely very niche. I happen to like both but If I had the option of actually buying both I'd never buy 'white' again.
Beyond lush in fact. 'White' is good stuff in its own right (if you like that sorta thing) but it's most definitely very niche. I happen to like both but If I had the option of actually buying both I'd never buy 'white' again.
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I think I would pick up the needle for the first time if this MDPBP does come back as the culprit. I have a load of insulin needles that I modify for plugging, but come with the needle attached just in case 
No drug has seemed worth it to keep the needle on when push came to shove thus far.
No drug has seemed worth it to keep the needle on when push came to shove thus far.
mydrugbuddy
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Fuck, if this really does resemble THEE legendary tan, it may well tempt me to give it a try.
F.U.B.A.R.
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I'm particularly interested in the IV experience Shambles relates above. Especially as I've recently discovered a nice fat 'new' vein in my arm which would be a shame to waste 
Shambles
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Typically, I have precisely zero functional (well, functional and accessible) veins left on any of my limbs and appendages. Except "there" which ain't up for debate. It's not exactly HR at its finest to say, but I must say that if I had a vein to abuse it would be abused to within an inch of life if genuine tan was available again. I've injected more drugs than most people could name and none come close to the rush of tan. Next level IV experience and no mistake
*insert blindingly obvious caveats here - y'all know it ain't gonna be wise no matter how insanely good*
*insert blindingly obvious caveats here - y'all know it ain't gonna be wise no matter how insanely good*
Shambles
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Oh, and for the sake of completeness (cos it really does irritate me when people accuse me of rosy-tintedness) anybody is free to check my posts in the peev thread (probably somewhere towards the end of the second incarnation thereof but don't quote me on that - thereabouts anyway) from the time tan was replaced with white. Right from my very first taste of the latter I've been bitching 'bout how it's blatantly not the same drug. Similar, but very different. Been saying it from day one. Cos it's simply true.
mydrugbuddy
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Comparable to the differences between preban and post ban mephedrone ?
Shambles
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I have no idea. Only ever had "preban" and that was deeply dire. Never did like the stuff. Well, that's not completely true actually. I liked it when I first tried it about a year before it hit the UK but that was all taken in combination with 2C-I - bizarrely, two drugs which leave me jittery and overstimulated alone taken together were absolutely lush with no jitteriness or overstimulation - answers on a postcard, folks 
) and once since then taken orally with friends just chatting. Whenever I've taken it alone (literally or figuratively alone) I've loathed it and it's just made me feel like crap. Like crap that can't stop telling people - any people - properly private stuff that I really wish I hadn't (properly private meaning things that other people had told me in strictest confidence and the like - literally anything that I would never tell anybody under any other circumstances). That weird desire to spill yer guts on all you know (if only the CIA had tried PIrate instead of LSD they may have been on to a winner :D) and the utterly vile faux empathy and stuff which I despise beyond belief - especially when it's coming out of me ![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
Minor meph rant aside, I couldn't say cos wouldn't touch the shit with Spade's. I really don't get why there should be any difference though. 'Preban' or 'postban' it all comes from the same manufacturers doesn't it? Nevermind. Not a debate I have any interest in getting into.
In the case of 'white' and 'tan' they are clearly different drugs. Got nowt to compare such a situation to of the drugs that I'm familiar with really.
) and once since then taken orally with friends just chatting. Whenever I've taken it alone (literally or figuratively alone) I've loathed it and it's just made me feel like crap. Like crap that can't stop telling people - any people - properly private stuff that I really wish I hadn't (properly private meaning things that other people had told me in strictest confidence and the like - literally anything that I would never tell anybody under any other circumstances). That weird desire to spill yer guts on all you know (if only the CIA had tried PIrate instead of LSD they may have been on to a winner :D) and the utterly vile faux empathy and stuff which I despise beyond belief - especially when it's coming out of me Minor meph rant aside, I couldn't say cos wouldn't touch the shit with Spade's. I really don't get why there should be any difference though. 'Preban' or 'postban' it all comes from the same manufacturers doesn't it? Nevermind. Not a debate I have any interest in getting into.
In the case of 'white' and 'tan' they are clearly different drugs. Got nowt to compare such a situation to of the drugs that I'm familiar with really.
Brap
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I like your MDA vs MDMA analogy Shambles. Would love to know why 'tan' was sold as MDPV if it was so clearly a different drug. Synthesis error? Name mix-up? :/
Forgot to say, I had a sample of 'white' tested by same lab that ID'd the MDPBP: analysis showed pure MDPV.
Forgot to say, I had a sample of 'white' tested by same lab that ID'd the MDPBP: analysis showed pure MDPV.
Shambles
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I'd rather not go into where mine came from but none of it was from a traditional vendor. I had samples from a coupla sources but they were not vendors...
But in answer to your question, I suspect it was probably down to the fact that 'tan' was actually thought to be MDPV until vendors got hold of it and starting selling in bulk. Basically, nobody knew any different until both 'versions' had been tasted and folk started bitching 'bout the white stuff. One of the more popular theories on where the difference comes from is that the original small batches were tainted with another chemical entirely whereas 'white' was actually "pure" MDPV. I suspect that's more or less the case. 'Tainted' in this case meaning 'not MDPV at all but a closely related chemical'. Which is what I (and several others) have said all along pretty much.
From what I've seen of the novel RC bizniz, this kinda thing happens quite a lot. Early sample batches are one thing but once the process has been scaled up and "perfected" the results are just not quite the same as what all the hype was talking about. Cynical me always thought this was probably deliberate but that just makes no sense. Unless the "good version" of an RC is actually illegal in the UK (which would not apply in this case) there is no reason to do this deliberately, but if it was a genuine mix-up it's entirely understandable cos once it's all been tested (original tester batches tend to be very small) there's no way of knowing exactly what it was cos there's nowt left to compare with.
Is my theory (such as it is) anyway.
In the case of 'tan' vs 'white' the outcry was immediate enough (and personal enough given I was amongst the most vocal on the matter) that I have no doubts whatsoever that it must have been a mix-up of some sorts. Vendors would obviously rather stock a superior product given the chance cos they'd shift more stock. 'White' is very niche and never was that popular, 'tan' was a whole other matter and would've picked up a far wider user-base simply because it was so much "easier" to get along with. Still somewhat niche no doubt, but far more accessible for the massed hordes than 'white' could ever be.
But in answer to your question, I suspect it was probably down to the fact that 'tan' was actually thought to be MDPV until vendors got hold of it and starting selling in bulk. Basically, nobody knew any different until both 'versions' had been tasted and folk started bitching 'bout the white stuff. One of the more popular theories on where the difference comes from is that the original small batches were tainted with another chemical entirely whereas 'white' was actually "pure" MDPV. I suspect that's more or less the case. 'Tainted' in this case meaning 'not MDPV at all but a closely related chemical'. Which is what I (and several others) have said all along pretty much.
From what I've seen of the novel RC bizniz, this kinda thing happens quite a lot. Early sample batches are one thing but once the process has been scaled up and "perfected" the results are just not quite the same as what all the hype was talking about. Cynical me always thought this was probably deliberate but that just makes no sense. Unless the "good version" of an RC is actually illegal in the UK (which would not apply in this case) there is no reason to do this deliberately, but if it was a genuine mix-up it's entirely understandable cos once it's all been tested (original tester batches tend to be very small) there's no way of knowing exactly what it was cos there's nowt left to compare with.
Is my theory (such as it is) anyway.
In the case of 'tan' vs 'white' the outcry was immediate enough (and personal enough given I was amongst the most vocal on the matter) that I have no doubts whatsoever that it must have been a mix-up of some sorts. Vendors would obviously rather stock a superior product given the chance cos they'd shift more stock. 'White' is very niche and never was that popular, 'tan' was a whole other matter and would've picked up a far wider user-base simply because it was so much "easier" to get along with. Still somewhat niche no doubt, but far more accessible for the massed hordes than 'white' could ever be.
I really never understood the sceptical cynicism that tends to erupt whenever "tan peevee" is mentioned. There is good reason that it's spoken of with such reverance. It is not the same drug as "white peevee". I've been saying that consistently since the very first batch of white and got to sample a (sadly very small
But leaving that aside, given the supposed recent Chinese ban on manufacturing MDPV perhaps this MDPBP stuff could be a successor to the crown if nothing else. It has my interest anyway. If any reputable vendor happens to stock the stuff I'd certainly be buying if only to confirm or deny for myself. I know the difference and could tell the two apart in a blind taste test any day. FACT!
Shambles: I kknow exactly what you mean and I loved your reference/comparison to people that doesn't think MDA exist cause they have only gotten their hands on MDMA... I love MDA far far more than MDMA. So if this shit is the tan stuff that I got hold on once 4-5 years ago and was told it was MDPV... but it wasn't, it felt exactly like MDA or MDMA but with a more piperazine touch if you understand what I mean.
And regarding IV'ing the tan "MDPV" I usually took 10-15mg doses of the white stuff and also did it with the tan stuff and it fucking floored me totally into some exstatic bliss that I knew for sure that this wasn't MDPV. Users of MDPV that gets the chance to try the tan stuff would certainly agree to a 100%.
And personally I would never touch MDPV again, it led to me assaulting my girlfriend after three weeks with no sleep, that's the only time I've lost control over myself and my actions ever in my life. And I have been an addict for over 15 years and tried almost every drug available, but heroin was my number one friend all these years. But anyway...
"One of the more popular theories on where the difference comes from is that the original small batches were tainted with another chemical entirely whereas 'white' was actually "pure" MDPV. I suspect that's more or less the case. 'Tainted' in this case meaning 'not MDPV at all but a closely related chemical'. Which is what I (and several others) have said all along pretty much."
I liked that thought, and that's my thinking too, something went wrong with the synthesis and a similar molecule was made and sold under the name "MDPV".
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