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What You Listening to? ver. It was so fabulous, now it's shrunk down to nothing

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The faceless - Akeldama

I STRONGLY suggest this group to anyone who's into technical-death-progressive-fusion metal. (lol)
I'd give a nipple to see them live.

I gave this a listen because I'm extremely open-minded when it comes to the musical form. I've got to say it and I'm not sure how to but that just sounds like someone has just eliminated all trace of black (as in the race) from this music, but not gone so far as to make it absolutely cold as burzum/mayhem etc and standout for that reason.

I'm sorry but here's somone doing that type of metal, much better, 15 years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTOvUOqbhVU
 
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It's metal, FFS. The only connection metal has ever really had with 'black music' has been a couple of blues licks on a Judas Priest record from 1974. Do you hear any 'black influence' in Slayer or Iron Maiden? I don't, and that's going back thirty years and more.

Contrary to what white middle class music journos steeped in postcolonial guilt would have you believe, black people did not invent music. It existed in Europe and elsewhere for thousands of years before the first spirituals rang on in them ol' cotton fields back home. Would you criticise Beethoven for lack of 'black influence'? Or, more to the point, why don't you criticise Marvin Gaye for lack of 'white influence'? At least old Marvin had a chance, whereas Chuck Berry 45s were scarce in Ludwig's day. Yes, the blues and rock 'n' roll (as well as every other black style) got pilfered by white people, but it was often augmented and changed beyond recognition in the process. See sampling for similar in black music, or indeed the genesis of rock 'n' roll, which borrowed heavily from hillbilly music made by white people.

Just what is a 'black influence' anyway? Is it rhythm? Is it soul? 'Authenticity'? Seems a bit patronising and borderline racist to me, in that it perpetuates lazy, restrictive and ultimately divisive stereotypes.

Hopefully, that's not what you mean.
 
I don't even think rock n roll was pilfered. Rock n roll wouldn't have happened without Elvis.
 
what did you listen to specifically?
and who made this kind of music 15 years ago?
(and what does metal have of "black"?)

What does metal have that's black? A four to the floor beat with a syncopated rhythm and chord sequences based on the blues. So everything basically.

Black as in race, as in that's some serious white man's funk right there (and I'm not averse to white mans fuck).

The album was listen below. I'm not hating on that music too much btw, just passing comment.
 
(and I'm not averse to white mans fuck).

Never would've suspected.

What does metal have that's black? A four to the floor beat with a syncopated rhythm and chord sequences based on the blues. So everything basically.

A four / four beat is not intrinsically 'black'. Nor does metal (especially extreme metal) use blues chord sequences.

As for your apparent belief that rhythmic syncopation is inherently 'black', you've possibly answered my earlier post.
 
honestly I don't think metal (which is quite vast as a term so this argument doesn't really make sense) has much to do with blues or "traditional" rock.
I see more influence (at least in the more "classic" genres) from classical music tbh.

even if we don't agree it's always good to have a discussion about music :)
and the group I posted sure isn't for everyone. Maybe you'd like more their last album which is more progressive with even (beautiful) clean vocals. It's called Autotheism.

EDIT: I'll check out the album you posted, I know a few songs from that group and they're nothing like The Faceless but I'll see.
 
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