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Anyone know of good sources/boards about rare/never available steroids or would like to talk about them?
Examples of what I'm talking about - dimethyl nandrolone, trestolone, dimethyl tren (same as dmn except with tren), drol and var (pics of the last three should be posted here already) with out the 17AA or anything else you/I come up with...

I know it mostly be guessing but still....

Also, would such a thread be better off in the steroid section or in neuroscience and pharmacology discussion?
 
black53 said:
Anyone know of good sources/boards about rare/never available steroids or would like to talk about them?
Examples of what I'm talking about - dimethyl nandrolone, trestolone, dimethyl tren (same as dmn except with tren), drol and var (pics of the last three should be posted here already) with out the 17AA or anything else you/I come up with...

I know it mostly be guessing but still....

Also, would such a thread be better off in the steroid section or in neuroscience and pharmacology discussion?
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Speak to Big Cat on Gh-15..... If your not a member, I'll post any questions you have and relay back to you...
 
To anyone who has access to the GH-15 forums:

Is there any discussion over there about YK-11? I know that it seems like I'm obsessed with this compound, but I'm really just curious to see if there are any willing experimenters.
 
Fractality said:
To anyone who has access to the GH-15 forums:

Is there any discussion over there about YK-11? I know that it seems like I'm obsessed with this compound, but I'm really just curious to see if there are any willing experimenters.
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Already checked when you first posted... nothing..
 
Thanks guys. I read a lot about intrepid/reckless people trying brand new research compounds (steroidal and otherwise) yet absolutely none out there for YK-11. I've got a few different protocols that could be used for animal experimentation purposes but that's about it. If I had access to a lab I would be petitioning for trials to be run on YK-11.
 
Genetic Freak said:
Speak to Big Cat on Gh-15..... If your not a member, I'll post any questions you have and relay back to you...
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Thanks, I did some research and basically came up with this:
-not much on the drol without the 17AA, no reason it wouldn't be possible or completely inactive, but couldn't find much more...
-same for the oxandrolone without the 17AA (except a post on another board saying it would probably be weak, no source), except I'm apparently not the only one who would like to see it tested
-dimethyltren (7a, 17a), exists, probably stronger and more toxic than methyltren... might not be the best thing to take (but then methyltren isn't as toxic in some people as it should be, especially the injectable version, so idk), there's even an old thread here ( http://www.bluelight.org/vb/archive/index.php/t-711688.html )
-dmn is what you'd think, not many reports, all agree that it's strong but probably shouldn't be taken for long
-trestolone seems nice enough
-lots of prohormones and modifications that aren't anything special effect wise, but still legal (depends where you live)
-according to Patrick Arnold Q & A some unusual esters of normal steroids produce stronger effects than they should. No guesses as to why and as far as I know none are actually available
-and now the good part... 7a versions of lots of compounds would produce stronger compounds that shouldn't be toxic and would be legal in lots of places. The downside? They are hard to make. http://www.totalflexblog.com/articles/a-stronger-d-bol-on-the-horizon/ - an example with dbol, but it should apply to plenty others too. So apparently 7a is the methyl tren we should be looking at. I'm trying to find more info, no luck so far.

So if you could ask him if the 7a methyl tren (or anything) else was ever tested on humans and what were the results compared to the normal versions of the same compounds, that would be great. And about the oxandrolone without the 17AA it that's not too much.
 
Personally finding it very hard to get motivated to train lately, got so much shit going on, 4 weeks til baby is due, working really irregular shifts, trying to balance out my direct family with my girlfriend and her direct family, she can't get to her parents by herself so I'm having to drive her everywhere anytime she needs anything.
Getting bored of my work too which isn't helping, I don't feel like I'm particularly doing a lot outside work but for some reason I never have any time to myself, my sole purpose at the moment is entertaining my girlfriend...
Motivation is down, time is unavailable, and even when I get the chance to train I find myself making up excuses not to and I don't know why... I think I'm fucking mentally drained at the moment... Is this normal coming up to the end of her pregnancy or am I just making up excuses for some reason?
 
Sounds like life man. This could be a time for a brief cruise to get everything in order and have some time for yourself. When the gym feels like work instead of leisure I take a break: be it a day or two or a week. I'm battling some stomach bug I got and took yesterday and today off so as to help ease my mind. When the mind is off, I notice my body follows suit.
 
nolys said:
Personally finding it very hard to get motivated to train lately, got so much shit going on, 4 weeks til baby is due, working really irregular shifts, trying to balance out my direct family with my girlfriend and her direct family, she can't get to her parents by herself so I'm having to drive her everywhere anytime she needs anything.
Getting bored of my work too which isn't helping, I don't feel like I'm particularly doing a lot outside work but for some reason I never have any time to myself, my sole purpose at the moment is entertaining my girlfriend...
Motivation is down, time is unavailable, and even when I get the chance to train I find myself making up excuses not to and I don't know why... I think I'm fucking mentally drained at the moment... Is this normal coming up to the end of her pregnancy or am I just making up excuses for some reason?
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Can't you just buy her a bike...!!
 
nolys said:
Personally finding it very hard to get motivated to train lately, got so much shit going on, 4 weeks til baby is due, working really irregular shifts, trying to balance out my direct family with my girlfriend and her direct family, she can't get to her parents by herself so I'm having to drive her everywhere anytime she needs anything.
Getting bored of my work too which isn't helping, I don't feel like I'm particularly doing a lot outside work but for some reason I never have any time to myself, my sole purpose at the moment is entertaining my girlfriend...
Motivation is down, time is unavailable, and even when I get the chance to train I find myself making up excuses not to and I don't know why... I think I'm fucking mentally drained at the moment... Is this normal coming up to the end of her pregnancy or am I just making up excuses for some reason?
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When was the last time you took a break? Might be just what you need.

Or maybe change your training routine and/or goals to make it interesting again?
 
If you're currently on a blast Nolys, I'd also recommend what Serotonin101 said - stop the blast and just cruise for a bit. Assuming you're running something like Tren, dropping that will help a lot with stress and mood. The bonus of cruising is that when you finish a blast, you don't need PCT and therefore ending one earlier than intended isn't the end of the world. Just means you get to start up again sooner ;)
 
nolys said:
Personally finding it very hard to get motivated to train lately, got so much shit going on, 4 weeks til baby is due, working really irregular shifts, trying to balance out my direct family with my girlfriend and her direct family, she can't get to her parents by herself so I'm having to drive her everywhere anytime she needs anything.
Getting bored of my work too which isn't helping, I don't feel like I'm particularly doing a lot outside work but for some reason I never have any time to myself, my sole purpose at the moment is entertaining my girlfriend...
Motivation is down, time is unavailable, and even when I get the chance to train I find myself making up excuses not to and I don't know why... I think I'm fucking mentally drained at the moment... Is this normal coming up to the end of her pregnancy or am I just making up excuses for some reason?
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Sounds like you need a break. This is exactly why bodybuilders blast and cruise, because sometimes the get mentally exhausted or got shit going on that needs to be dealt with.

My advice is start cruising 2 weeks before the baby is due and keep doing so for another few weeks. Then when you feel up to it, start blasting again. You will be well rested and probably motivated again to train hard.
 
black53 said:
Thanks, I did some research and basically came up with this:
-not much on the drol without the 17AA, no reason it wouldn't be possible or completely inactive, but couldn't find much more...
-same for the oxandrolone without the 17AA (except a post on another board saying it would probably be weak, no source), except I'm apparently not the only one who would like to see it tested
-dimethyltren (7a, 17a), exists, probably stronger and more toxic than methyltren... might not be the best thing to take (but then methyltren isn't as toxic in some people as it should be, especially the injectable version, so idk), there's even an old thread here ( http://www.bluelight.org/vb/archive/index.php/t-711688.html )
-dmn is what you'd think, not many reports, all agree that it's strong but probably shouldn't be taken for long
-trestolone seems nice enough
-lots of prohormones and modifications that aren't anything special effect wise, but still legal (depends where you live)
-according to Patrick Arnold Q & A some unusual esters of normal steroids produce stronger effects than they should. No guesses as to why and as far as I know none are actually available
-and now the good part... 7a versions of lots of compounds would produce stronger compounds that shouldn't be toxic and would be legal in lots of places. The downside? They are hard to make. http://www.totalflexblog.com/articles/a-stronger-d-bol-on-the-horizon/ - an example with dbol, but it should apply to plenty others too. So apparently 7a is the methyl tren we should be looking at. I'm trying to find more info, no luck so far.

So if you could ask him if the 7a methyl tren (or anything) else was ever tested on humans and what were the results compared to the normal versions of the same compounds, that would be great. And about the oxandrolone without the 17AA it that's not too much.
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Big-Cat reply:

Well MENT and Trestolone are basically the same thing, and you should be able to find quite a bit of data on it in humans, as it was pursued as a male contraceptve for quite some time before it was scrapped. They were planning implants of trestolone acetate. Its also not such a rare product, quite a few people still have it on their lists. But it is indeed pretty expensive.

From its profile as a contraceptive it was able to maintain anabolism with reduced fertility in relatively low doses, about three times lower than test and a heavier supression. That would indeed suggest some serious feedback, and something in the neighbourhood of 2-3 times stronger than nandrolone. Not sure if that can be extrapolated exactly to higher doses, certainly worth testing, I'd imagine its a product that lends itself well to cruising too in low doses with just a hint of test in there. The only problems I've heard is that the estrogenic problems are bigger too, and hard to discern if that is the result of signifcant increase of estrogen formation, or simply the logical result of a stronger androgen receptor binding (since nandrolone seems to be uniquely estrogenic via the AR, which is why its uncontrollable)

dimethyl tren is mibolerone or cheque drops, also a product you should be able to find some info about. In this case, there is no denying the extra methyl does in fact make it more toxic though.

Which raises an interesting point of discussion about WHY 7a increases effect. If like 17a, the effect is reduced breakdown, it would undeniably be harder on the liver and other tissues as well. Same way metribolone is harder than tren. Or does it increase interaction with AR, or some form of SARM activity that increases interaction of AR with DNA or co-factors ? In which case the toxicity may be null in compounds without 17A. Or at least negligable in useful doses. In any case, I would consider dimethylnandrolone significantly toxic going in to be on the safe side.

As for the others, they are relatively weak anabolics, so regardless of whether the method of increasing is A or B, you'll always end up cheaper and more efficient with the nandrolones and trenbolones. Although may be some merit to 7a-1-testosterone or something. Or 7a-primo if liver is really an issue.
 
Ok, first, thank you both for the reply.

Yeah, found quite a lot about MENT, so no more questions about that. And what he said is about the same as I found on my own.

Is he sure that dimethyl tren and mibolerone are the same thing?
This is tren:
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This is methyltren:
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This is mibolerone:
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Isn't mibolerone missing some two double bonds to be dimethyl tren?

As to why the 7a methyl does what it does good question.

If I'm reading this correctly 7a-methyltren hasn't been tested as far as he is aware, right?

And regarding the oxandrolone without the 17aa anything about that?
 
Genetic Freak said:
Can't you just buy her a bike...!!
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Haha heavily pregnant notches cycling, sounds safe... Lol

Havnt trained in 10 days I dropped down to a cruise dose already gonna go back Monday to the gym.

Been using the same gym for 5 years now, I think that's one of the main problems now but they have me tied in there because it's the only gym in a 10 mile radius with heavy enough weights for me...
 
I love my routine it's not the issue, it's the prego girlfriend and the sane gym for 5 years that's bugging me, I might do some lighter lifting during my cruise then I'm jumping on tren test cruise and mast cycle after bambino is born. Gon a put more effort into switching gym, the bastards have me in contract for another 7 months though...
 
I kinda like being with the same gym for so long. All the people are nice (some may look like they are about to kill someone but that's just looks, lol) and sharing equipment isn't a problem (other than the stuff where you need to move around huge amounts of plates between each ones set), you can work out all sorts of deals with the management.... now if only they'd get better A/C :)
 
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