Angels: function over form

[MyDoorsAreOpen]

I was inspired to make this thread by thinking deeply about Ninae's thread and the question in its subject line about incarnated angels. I decided to make this a separate thread, though, because I felt I was taking the question in a different direction than that thread has taken. That said, I wouldn't be opposed to having this thread merged with Ninae's if the mods see fit.

An angel is, in essence, a messenger. The word angel is derived from a Greek word which is a translation from the Semitic languages, which all simply mean 'messenger'. I haven't done my homework on this, but I have a strong feeling the winged good-looking ghosts we Westerners think of when we hear the word 'angel' are largely vestiges of an indigenous European animist belief system that long predates the arrival of Abrahamic religions to Europe. Similar to how Andean natives were able to accept the Virgin Mary by conflating her with Mama Pacha.

I remember Dan Brown writing in one of his novels that the Greco-Roman pagan image of an angel was a bird. I can picture people in ancient times seeing the fearless landing of a bird near them as a sign from the gods. Also, the practice of tying message scrolls to the feet of birds was, along with smoke signals, fire crackers, drums, and horns, one of the earliest (albeit unreliable) methods of communicating [relatively] quickly over long distances. If it would cross someone's mind to write "Arm yourselves, the barbarians from the East are storming our city gates, and your city may be next!" and tying it to the leg of a pigeon and send it flying westward, then no doubt it would cross someone's mind to send a pigeon off to Mount Olympus with a prayer or entreaty to the gods, or to look for a message from the gods on the leg of a curiously friendly pigeon who alighted on one's shoulder at seemingly just the right moment. All of these are acts of utter desperation, of course. I say this with not the slightest hint of disdain; this is a topic for another thread, but I think that desperation and the words and deeds it begets have much to teach us about The Human Condition. In other words, what we do and say and think when we're completely desperate reveals a ton about what it is we yearn for our whole lives, and are seldom consciously aware of.

With that in mind, my idea of angels is connected very strongly to my ideas about (and a few truly uncanny experiences with) synchronicity. I've had some experiences that have made me wonder whether sometimes the Prime Mover arranges for certain people, animals, or even nonliving objects to cross my path briefly and do or say something noticeable, which gets me motivated in a certain direction. If this is how it works, then any sentient (or "incarnated", as Ninae put it) being can potentially play the role of an angel to another, probably without even being aware of it. Why not aware of it? Well, scholars from the Abrahamic faiths have typically described angels as having no free will, as being essentially tools in the hands of the Master Builder. Therefore, I theorize that the subjective experience of playing the role of an angel feels less like deliberately going out into the world with the conscious aim of doing good for people (which is an act of the Will), and more like having a sudden inexplicable urge to spontaneously say or do some small thing for someone, before thinking nothing of it and slipping back into one's mundane roles, largely ignorant of how powerful and influential a message the recipient got from the deed.

Any thoughts?

 

[Ninae]

For what it's worth, the first channeling, who was also an angel herself, although younger than me, but older in Earthly years, informed me that the world "Angel" comes from the Greek word "Angelos", which means messanger. So that is a main function - to bring light, love and joy (and sometimes wisdom) to Earth.

I was also told that the whole nature of an angel is safrifice - their whole nature is to sacrifice themselves. They can stay where they are but many can't bear the idea of them being in Paradise with the knowledge of so many suffering out there, while they have an eternity to stay in heaven.

So many line up pretty fast to be sent to some God-forsaken planet. And some are completely crazy and come to Earth. These seem to be the more courageous and self-sacrifying angels who possess real love for humans in their heart, and also have the strength for it. As an aside, I believe angels actually get to vote who will be sent where, judging on their qualities and previous accomplishments

 

[Kittycat5]

I cannot grasp why a creator would spend the time on making man but then have to send an angel to nudge us along through things that can easily be mistaken as mere coincidence.

 

[coelophysis]

I cannot grasp why a creator would spend the time on making man but then have to send an angel to nudge us along through things that can easily be mistaken as mere coincidence.

What if the creator had an incentive for mass producing man for some sort of gain? And the focus was more on quantity over quality because he can always send down some memos via Angels?

 

[Ninae]

The Lord works in mysterious ways, and most of us are too insensitive to notice, anyway.

Anyway, don't confuse angels in heaven with angels walking around in bodies on Earth. An Earthly angel won't come across as much different to most of humanity, though many have talents for arts, etc to inspire people. Also intelligent. They're ultimately harmless and more kind than most, and there tends to be a simplicity, naivity, innocence, and childlike quality to them (i.e. Marilyn Monroe) and they can easily get screwed over for lack of "street smarts" and lack of realism.

An angel in heaven, though, or a pure real angel, has all kinds of skills to its disposal. But therse are more meta-physical, like telepathy, giving you higher inspiration, protecting you for certain disasters (they can see what will happen before it comes up). Many, many acciddents are avoided by angels, unless it was something they were meant to experience as part of some life lesson.

But if it's an innocent victim they usually step in. Like when I was held down in a bus shelter one night to be raped last summer a police car drove by just then so all I had to do was to hold up my hand and he ran. Been many lucky escapes like that. The problem is more that there aren't enough angels to go around the Universe.

 

[Kittycat5]

Then that creator is not what we typically think of as God ( at least an Abrahamic God). He/she/it would not be something spiritual but physical if he is somehow manipulating us for gain. And his "angels" would be little better than his creation. I feel like I just got all ancient alien.

 

[Kittycat5]

Ninae, why could God not intervene on his own or already fill us with this higher level of consciousness?

Im sorry you were attacked like that btw. Glad you are ok.

 

[Ninae]

Ninae, why could God not intervene on his own or already fill us with this higher level of consciousness?

Because it would achieve nothing for Him and nothing for us. All this misery we see around us isn't just for fun and games. It's supposed to lead to a superior new creation that will make it all worth while.

Im sorry you were attacked like that btw. Glad you are ok.

Thanks. But merficully I was doped up on 10 Klonopin at the time, so there was no fear and didn't even seem real. When the police car came I just took it all for granted. Minor relief. Grils should start carrying knives.

 

[Kittycat5]

What does God need to achieve? This is a main problem of mine in believing in any creator. What benefit are we to him?

 

[coelophysis]

To gain believers/ do gooders?

 

[Kittycat5]

But why even allow for anyone to not believe or do good? If thats the goal, and he has the power to make us in any way, why play this game of free will, sin, repent etc. Just make automatons who blindly follow.

 

[coelophysis]

Because he created us in his image which includes free will?

Really I'm just winging it with these responses by the way.

 

[Kittycat5]

All philosphy discussion is just winging it. Should I continue to answer?

 

[coelophysis]

Or should you continue to question?

I don't see why not.

 

[Kittycat5]

If he bestowed us with free will, and made us in his image, he surely would know the desires of man. Things like lust, revenge, greed. Why set up a system of obey or else you get the fire if he damn well knew few could live up to it?

 

[coelophysis]

Can only a few live up to it?

And wouldn't that be what free will is?

 

[Ninae]

What does God need to achieve? This is a main problem of mine in believing in any creator. What benefit are we to him?

God, as we made in his image, is in a constant source of growth. There is the out-breath, where all things live God to experience separation and ignorance, learning a lot on the way (These ar HUGE cycles and we learn to become more self-sufficient and like gods of our own. Aminals eveolve and are moved up the ranks too).

Then there's the in-breath were everyone gets the call saying it's time to return to retuns in blissful union with divine for a period. These processes movely very slowly, however. The in-breath that we're in now have just started and won't come to a complete for a long time. I imagine, if at the end of such a cycle everything is utterly and completely destroyed, only to be built up again based on higer and more superior ideas later, etc.

i think it's a form of "germination" period for God, where he's introspective and realises how things in his Universe could be better.

Humans are like worker-bees, but like happy working-bees, not like slaves.

But the main way he "benefits" in is of how a parents "benefits" from a beloved child. And he has limitless points of consciousness to love so he's always happy. The loving nature of God is mostly forgotten. All that he creates he creates for us.

 

[herbavore]

I have a hard time believing in anyone "arranging" anything. I was raised by a family that believed that and try as I might I just could never grasp it. Maybe the miracle of the synchronicity is that you are open to a particular insight at a particular time which you had previously not even perceived when it walked right by you. In all the random interactions that we have with our fellow humans, animals, plants etc there are an infinite number of messages or teachings but they must be perceived. All of the strands of the complex web of our individual experience in time, place, gender, family, nature etc create a swirling universe of possibility at any given moment. I tend to think of certain positive things in my life happening at "just the right time" but wouldn't any time have been the "right " time?

 

[Ninae]

I can feel my life slipping...but it's upto God when you come and go.

 

[Ninae]

If I have the strength I'll try to tell you all about a book that made a great impression in my teens. Unfortunately it was never translated to English as the writer was one of the greatest spiritual writers we've had. Well, he's dead now.

The book was called "Starpeople and Angelpeople". It explained how at the time around 25% of humanity were originall descended from higher spiritual planets, "Starseeds", etc. who had come to make a chance. And they were over-represented in the spiritual community.

He also explained how there was a small group of more delicare beings called "Angels" and "Devas", who were also in incarnation in small number at the time. They were similar, but still different. The "Devas" were explained as the Nature Spirits or Elementals who create into form and enlivens nature. They can also incarnate as humans, apparantly. When they do they tend to be moe artistic and keep to themselves and spend time close to nature. When a Deva has developed a compassionate heart towards human beings it can graduate to an angel, or Devas are the lowest level of the angelic kingdom in a way.

There were many exciting stories, as his wife, who were clairvoyant, could see someone's soul-history from the beginning. When I went there for a workshop about half had also been told they were either Angels or Devas. Reading all that I felt I might be a Deva, as many of the characteristics fit, but when I received a tape from her, to my suprise she said: "The first image I get when I tune into you, Nina, is of an angel. An angel that goes down to Earth. A very pure, fine, and frail angel".

That was a bit of a suprise and I didn't know what to think of that. It seemed like a bit of pressure. But since later I know most of my family members are so it's not so rare as all that.

Then after talking with many others, they all seemed to agree I came to Earth with a large group of angels at the time of Atlantis. And we were able to create somehing good there, at first. But at the time I wasn't what you would associate with a human being now. I mostly worked in secluded surroundings, like a priestess in temples, and didn't really have any of the normal human needs we know of now. But that was a long time ago.

Anyway, after that went well for a while, the white priesthood of Atlantis started getting infiltrated by the dark priesthood, etc, you know the type, who were working against us. There was one who said she could see med working in a temple until the very end, and there were some great, dark, magicians there, who were performing various horroundous thing, but they allowed me to be among them because they didn't see me as any threat.

And we, who were working for the light, were working hard trying to manifest positive energy, so that it wouldn't all tip over, so that it wouldn't all go wrong. But in the end the fine, angelig energy I was trying to manifest became far too little compared to the dark energy, so it went under.

Then after that we took that culture to Egypt and continued it there, like the central crystal of Atlantis was placed inside the great pyramid, but I'll get around to that if I have time for it.

Hope you enjoyed.