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How can we get this place active again?

I think it would be more for general chit chat as opposed to the main harm reduction talks, I think that a chat room style thing would provide a platform for informal chats that people can't really have on here much, I don't think it'd overshadow normal forum posts atall as someone looking for help will find the necessary thread by searching, the chat room would be for the more 'regular' members I think. Anyway I'm getting ahead of myself here with this idea just thought it could be alright when theres a good few people about on the forums.
 
We can open one at any time, nothing to stop us opening a one now and leaving the link. I know that I'm often busy with other things when chatting on here so I wouldn't be able to just sit and chat on a chat site, if people moved to a chat site the Gibbering thread (one I post in the most) would just become obsolete and people would lose track of whats going on with everyone (unless they were in the chat thread).

Add to that it's pretty easy to ignore people on here who get on your tits - if there on a chat site it could get ugly as tempers would get tested (I know mine would).
 
So are you saying I could PM you sometime if me and a few other members just wanted to chat instantly. I wouldn't imagine it'd be a regular thing.
 
darkinthepark said:
Wont the chat room become a bot and pretend dealer fest though? With the rules as tight as they are here I cant see a chat forum being allowed but it is a good idea.
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You get trusted forum members to become moderators of the chat rooms to deter trolls, and spammers.

The Lounge uses tinychat. I don't believe it's against the rules(it's been around for over a year), you just have to state that the room is in no way affiliated with BL.org.
 
OK I've left EADD.... But with this topic, I've got to put in my 2 penny's worth. The staff of this site are all volunteers and has an extremely busy job to do in order to keep the forums running. They have to keep an eye out for trolls; spammers, scammers, drug dealers, as well as general breaking of the rule - in order to keep the site running, keep it clean and safe so that it helps members and doesn't give authorities a reason to take it down.

A chat room is more instantaneous and make their job more difficult. There is more of a chance for people to try and source, sell drugs as well as many other stuff that I'm sure the BL may not be able to manage if there was a chat room. As well as this, certain authorities can keep track of anything dodgy for years and what if that happened but staff missed it because chat was too fast, for any reports to go through to staff for them to stop certain things?

As well as this, a chat facilities would, as MDB has implied, strengthen any possible cliques and widen any possible gaps between new members and old members. If new members felt isolated, how long would they stick around? If they could not have their questions answered because everyone was in chat - or because everyone were too busy talking to one another "in the chat room" and ignoring them - how long would they stick around?

Yes with forums it's not as instantaneous as a chat room and yes one has to refresh and so forth, but it is easy for both members and staff to keep an "eye out" and not miss anything, that doesn't necessarily mean anything dodgy but also anything of value, anything of benefit such as harm reduction.

As some members have already stated, by just sticking with the forum, everything is there and easy to read at the individual members' own time - as opposed to having to "chase the chat." New members can read older posts and take value from them. For instance, if a member had swollen arms from an intravenous Heroin and were concerned, they could quite easily type something like "safety IV use" or whatever into BL's search facility (search box situated top, right of screen) and be instantly met with a list full of links containing information on safe IV use. Now what would happen if most of this was discussed on a chat facility, set at real time? That information would be lost to the naked eye (yet, as I previously mentioned if anything dodgy happened in chat - and was missed, government software could be used in order to bring it all back, thus not only darkening Bluelight's name - but affecting the possibly safety of participants here and possibly damaging Bluelight's important mission of harm reduction).

As also mentioned, in chats "bots" can be used for years. Just ask Yahoo how long they have been trying to patch up their chat sites from "hackers" trying to use laggers on people, boot scripts, spamming software, software to take people's IDs and much, much, much more. Chat facilities are also more apt to receive a lot of drama and petulant arguments, which are easily put a stop to in Bluelight's current format by moderators closing threads; UAing posts etc. How would this be stopped in a instant chat format?

As well as wishing for more instant chat format to discuss things in more detail, Bluelight already has the PM system, which is quite instantaneous, depending on the individual's connection. Plus a log is kept, although we each are only allowed 100 E-mails at a time (including sent E-mails) Bluelight has a facility where these can be downloaded - so members can easily keep a log of anything that may be of use to them in future.

Plus, in my opinion, whenever a forum has a "chat facility" present it always looks tacky and less professional. If something is not broken why try to fix it?

Evey
 
Is there a problem with looking tacky? Is that something that's just not done here?
 
Seems to me like the best solution is to carry on as normal and if a thread appears to be hotting up the people involved could simply agree an external chat room to talk in for that time, wouldn't draw away traffic from bluelight just would be cool to chat real time to some bluelighters I think.
 
I agree with Evey, DITP and anybody else with the foresight to see that a chatroom just ain't gonna fly.

No offence intended to anybody who agrees with the suggestion, btw.
 
clord0 said:
Seems to me like the best solution is to carry on as normal and if a thread appears to be hotting up the people involved could simply agree an external chat room to talk in for that time, wouldn't draw away traffic from bluelight just would be cool to chat real time to some bluelighters I think.
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How would moving a conversation to a different place not draw traffic away? Or, more importantly, how would moving a conversation to a different place increase use of the forum?

There's absolutely nothing stopping you doing that right now. There was an EADD chat thing on the go a while back. I don't necessarily think it's a bad idea in itself, but not as an answer to "How can we get this place active again".
 
clord0 said:
So are you saying I could PM you sometime if me and a few other members just wanted to chat instantly. I wouldn't imagine it'd be a regular thing.
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I'm not sure if your joking or not? You could have made an open room at any time - left the link in the thread for anyone that wants to visit, but you haven't. If you don't think it would be a regular thing, why make a chat room on the site that would take management, modding, rules etc?

If cams get involved - look at the 'oi, what do you look like thread' how many people show faces?

Were all annon on this site, we chat to each other behind the safety of a screen - remove that 'barrier' and it get's a bit real. For a lot of people that would be too much and if this section had a live chat thread (instead of the Gibbering thread I wouldn't bother.

Seriously IF I'm online and you need to talk to me - I'm available :)
 
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