Mental Health SSRI withdrawals: oh god, please make it stop. Anyone have tips?

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Hey guys,

About 10 days ago I quit my daily dose of 10mg escitalopram (Lexapro) cold turkey. I'd been on it since september, and the last time I took it I was in the midst of a huge panic attack (I might add I've recently been diagnosed with PTSD) and I took 15-20 at once, which I think delayed the withdrawals as they only started to hit about 4 days later. Cue being up all night feeling horribly nauseous, trembling, cold sweats, and those terrifying SSRI nightmares we all love so much.
The next day I went to my usual therapy appointment and think I had a seizure. If it wasn't one it was certainly a collection of symptoms that resemble it (ie. convulsions, not being able to feel my body, not knowing where or who I was etc.). My therapist called an ambulance but all they told me at the hospital is that SSRIs don't give withdrawals and I was just a bit stressed out :|

Since then, I've seen a doctor at uni and explained the situation and she told me that because companies make so much money off those horrible meds, the fact that SSRI WDs do exist and are so violent is never acknowledged and hence there's no actual protocol in dealing with them. I was given low-dose Seroquel for a couple days at hospital earlier this week when I had to check myself into the acute crisis mental ward overnight, and it did help quite a bit although it made me feel weird in different ways. I was then prescribed a tiny bit of temazepam to help me sleep for a couple nights, but I've run out and the WDs are still as strong as ever.
Mainly brain zaps every 10mn or so and this full-bodied electric shock sensation whenever I move. Also constant vague hallucinations which seem to get worse in the dark - including auditory hallucinations which accompany the brain zaps.
The nausea is also unrelenting and obviously, I've been pretty damn depressed.

Anyway, my question is - there's absolutely no way I'm going back on those meds (please don't try to convince me and don't tell me it was stupid to quit CT....I know), and since doctors refuse to see the problem, has anyone found any kind of home remedies that work?!
Been taking paracetamol for the flu-like symptoms which helps a bit but it's those electric shocks and the insomnia that are seriously starting to get to me.

Any and all advice would be so appreciated, thank you for reading.
 
everyone reacts differently to SSRI's didn't have that problem when i tried escitalopram so can't relate sorry.

You should talk to your doctor (a psychiatrist i hope) abut "Abilify" (it's not an SSRI or SNRI) i don't know enough about your situation, pathology to recommend it as such, but it certainly has anti-depressant properties amongst many many other things, there are no W/D's from it, it's very subtle, (there's a slight weight gain, apart from that i haven't noticed any side-effects) i take it for paranoid/schizo symptoms, but my ex takes it for depression and as a mood stabiliser, it completely stopped her suicidal thoughts, and helped her reduce her alcoholism. I find it helps you to compose your thoughts, stay rational, and stop things from getting out of hand in your head.

The electric shocks should pass with time, what are all the drugs recreational or not you're takng atm?

For the insomnia, why not just get a box of "noctamide" from your doc, as a one off.

Good luck
 
^Why not explain a bit about the drugs you're suggesting?
Noctamid is a benzo, I don't recommend using such drugs more than twice a week because you will obviously end up addicted to them. I've taking 20-30mg doxepin (a TCA) a day for insomnia for the past 8 months, it works great but it does have some SNRI properties.
You could try antihistamines or otc supplements like melatonin, valerian, ... for the insomnia.
Good luck :)
 
Why did you stop so abruptly?

You can avoid SSRI withdrawals by taking SSRIs again for a little while. Try a lower dose of Lexapro, and step down over time, or get a SSRI with a long half life like Prozac. If you search, you'll find reports of people successfully discontinuing many different SSRIs by switching to Prozac for a few weeks.
 
Why did you stop so abruptly?

You can avoid SSRI withdrawals by taking SSRIs again for a little while. Try a lower dose of Lexapro, and step down over time, or get a SSRI with a long half life like Prozac. If you search, you'll find reports of people successfully discontinuing many different SSRIs by switching to Prozac for a few weeks.

This is good advice. Please don't be so determined that you won't take this med again. Once you start these meds, they change your brain chemistry, and it is speculated that the changes may last a very long time. I had trouble even with Prozac and had to take a tiny dose for a pro longed period of time, but after a while I was able to stop.
This article was interesting. I am now against these types of drugs unless someone really really needs them. Doctors don't screen properly.
http://www.madinamerica.com/2013/08/ssri-discontinuation-is-even-more-problematic-than-acknowledged/
 
I withdrew from escitalopram last year, then soon remembered the reason I was taking them in the first place: because my brain don't work properly, lol. Back on them and stable again.

Hmm, home remedies. Maybe try a mild sedative. Maybe valerian, or something similar. It does pass, but you shoulda tapered slowly.
 
These ssris don't help. Placebo . Proven.

Just thought you may be interested in my thread 'The Myth of the Chemical Cure' and the discussion on this subject here:
www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/723372...Cure-A-Critique-of-Psychiatric-Drug-Treatment


OP, when my Psychiatrist took me off of Venlafaxine (Effexor) he prescribed me a moderately-high daily dose of Diazepam (Valium) it helped massively, particularly the awful brain-zaps that I too got every 10min or so.
 
Dramamine can help with the brain zaps.

Shit Pagey i forgot to mention this to you. When i was coming off Venlafaxine aka effexor i got brutal brain zaps and thought i was having a stroke or seizure. I bought some Gravol (the Canadian brand name for dimenhydrinate) to help with the nausea and vomiting i was having and it worked pretty good at reducing the brain zaps much to my surprise. I found Cannabis to help with the brain zaps as well as the nausea, vomiting, insomnia and general restlessness. But Cannabis is not for everyone so only get it if you react good to it.

Definitely pick up some dimenhydrinate aka Dramamine aka Gravol though. If you can't get that where your at id imagine promethazine would work just as well or better. Failing that diphenhydramine (brand name benadryl) will do.
 
These ssris don't help. Placebo . Proven.

You've really got to back this up with a reputable source because, believe you me, I've been taking SSRIs for ten years, and I've found them to be invaluable.It's important for you to back this comment up because there may be people here who need anti-depressants but are discouraged by your comment.
 
You've really got to back this up with a reputable source because, believe you me, I've been taking SSRIs for ten years, and I've found them to be invaluable.It's important for you to back this comment up because there may be people here who need anti-depressants but are discouraged by your comment.

'There is not one shred of credible evidence that any respectable scientist would consider valid, demonstrating anything that Psychiatrist's call 'mental illness' are bio-chemical imbalances of the brain.' - Dr. Ron Leifer's (M.D. Psych)

It's true. There is no evidence that has been independently published that supports the monoamine/chemical-imbalance hypothesis. The theory that chemicals within the brain (neurotransmitters such as serotonin, norepinephrine or dopamine) are 'unbalanced' and need 're-balancing' by SSRIs or any other 'antidepressant'. It's nonsense. Absolute nonsense.

You do know that in most drug trials SSRIs are shown to be equal to placebos/sugar-pills in treating depression right? Though those with placebo's didn't suffer any horrible side-effects like those on SSRIs did, such as suicidal thoughts, psychosis and ironically... clinical depression.

You show me an independent and unbiased study that proves the efficacy of SSRIs in treating depression, or 'Major Depressive Disorder' as the DSM calls it, and I'll eat my own shit for a week.

Though only 20 years ago did the DSM class homosexuality as a psychiatric disorder, that's the kind of level 'Science' we're talking about.
 
These ssris don't help. Placebo . Proven.

total bullshit that they are placebo, although they don't help for a lot of people. They helped me become less depressed and nearly hypomanic, and I've got the credit card balances to prove it... overall harmful but very clearly a huge impact as a result of the drug.
 
'There is not one shred of credible evidence that any respectable scientist would consider valid, demonstrating anything that Psychiatrist's call 'mental illness' are bio-chemical imbalances of the brain.' - Dr. Ron Leifer's (M.D. Psych)

It's true. There is no evidence that has been independently published that supports the monoamine/chemical-imbalance hypothesis. The theory that chemicals within the brain (neurotransmitters such as serotonin, norepinephrine or dopamine) are 'unbalanced' and need 're-balancing' by SSRIs or any other 'antidepressant'. It's nonsense. Absolute nonsense.

You do know that in most drug trials SSRIs are shown to be equal to placebos/sugar-pills in treating depression right? Though those with placebo's didn't suffer any horrible side-effects like those on SSRIs did, such as suicidal thoughts, psychosis and ironically... clinical depression.

You show me an independent and unbiased study that proves the efficacy of SSRIs in treating depression, or 'Major Depressive Disorder' as the DSM calls it, and I'll eat my own shit for a week.

Though only 20 years ago did the DSM class homosexuality as a psychiatric disorder, that's the kind of level 'Science' we're talking about.

Doctors have all kinds of opinions. Its not uncommon, especially when it comes to psychiatry, which in many ways is more an art than a science, for such viewpoints to appear.

I certainly don't approve of many of the marketing strategies of drug companies and approval procedures of many countries but I know in the United States there takes place what amounts to a pretty comprehensive four stage trial process in which only a small fraction of drugs gain approval.

I found two in two minutes
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002914910025415
http://bjp.rcpsych.org/content/198/3/179.short

ten seconds:
http://www.centerwatch.com/drug-inf...drugs/drug/104/paxil-paroxetine-hydrochloride

I don't want you to die by consuming your own waste, but the fact of the matter is that anyone would be hard pressed to find a study which potentially involves big money that doesn't have at least a potential conflict of interest. I think the amount of studies is indicative of at least partial efficacy.

Actually that was more like forty years ago.
 
jesus Pagey I'm soo sorry to hear you went through that nightmare! I hope you're doing better now. It took me SO long to taper off SSRI's because of the nasty wd effects. They DEFINITELY exist, and they can range from mild to horrific, and I've heard stories of all different kinds of wd effects. I actually switched over to Prozac from Zoloft because supposedly Prozac is easier to taper off of. I've heard from other people who took Lexapro that they had a really hard time getting off of it too.

I know you had your reasons for deciding to quit cold turkey, and that's okay. It's done now, you are where you are. I understand not wanting to go back on them (there's no way in hell I would either).

It took me until just NOW (like 7 months after finally stopping SSRI's, and tapering ridiculously slow) to start feeling NORMAL again. I was restless, irritable, shaky, having panic attacks like crazy, had no energy, and my digestion was seriously fucked up. It takes a long time for your brain to heal itself, so patience is probably the best thing you can do for yourself.

But the bottom line is... YOUR BRAIN WILL RECOVER!

Honestly it's just taking really really good care of yourself, getting plenty of sleep (this is vital, sleep is how the brain recovers), eating right and getting enough exercise. B vitamins are great for recovering after SSRI withdrawal. I was trying to stop taking so many benzos during this time as well, but I always had them in my purse just in case I was out in public and started having a really bad panic attack. I started taking lavender oil supplements as a replacement for benzos, and they helped IMMENSELY. You can also try drinking kava tea in the evenings to help you get to sleep if you're having problems with that.

Think positive, studies have shown that neurons that fire together will wire together and build strong pathways in your brain. So thinking positive will actually breed positive thinking in your brain, which can restructure how your brain actually works. There's lots of books written about this... you might want to check some of those out because those really helped me immensely in my recovery. This is the one I read and it really changed my perspective http://www.amazon.com/Buddhas-Brain-Practical-Neuroscience-Happiness/dp/1572246952

The brain is actually really resilient, and you have not done any permanent damage like other people have said in this thread. It's simply not true. It might take a little time, but you will recover. Just take good care of yourself, take good supplements like B vitamins and lavender oil.
 
Dramamine (already mentioned) as well as Bonine both help with zaps. Had them going off Paxil bc it has a short half life (my pharm. told me the proper way would've been weaning off with Prozac to avoid the zaps).

As far as going in cars and boats or anything that might aggravate motion sickness, which seems to be connected to and exacerbated by zaps, take the Bonine or Dramamine - both OTC
 
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