Opioids First Time Heroin Questions?

[ButchCassidy]

I know, I saw and read the Megathread, I'm not really asking whether or not I should try heroin though. I just had a few basic questions.

How much is in a "Stamp Bag"?

I was told if it's white/tan powder you should snort it and if it's tar you should smoke it...does that sound right? IV is off the table for me. The stuff I can get is a whitish powder so I guess I'll be snorting it.

Right now I have no opiate tolerance at all. This stuff is supposedly very high quality and I trust my sources so I'm guessing this is true. Erowid puts the no tolerance dose at 5-40mg for a common dose and 20-60mg for a strang dose? Does that sound right? I usually find Erowids dosing info to be on the lower side for me with most things, but better safe than sorry with something like H I guess, I'll probably start fairly low.

How long would a common dose snorted last for someone with no tolerance? Is it functional? Can I go to work on it? Obviously with the first few uses I'll stay home when I have nothing to do just to get a feel for it

Any other advice you can think of would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!

 

[SoonAJunkie]

Erowid is always talking about dosages of 100% pure stuff.In my personal experience, I snorted 15MG of heroin and got me hit in the head with a heavy hammer.Be ready for a lot of vomiting and nausea,if you're going to snort it.One stamp bag is about 70-100mg.It's gonna last a long,for me,it lasts for about 4-6 hours but the side effects are there for a whole day.If you're dead set on doing it,and want to take all of it slam it.This is very bad though,be aware...

 

[The Doc.]

^^^dont inject it what why would he have to do that? a stamp bad is usually a half point or point depending on the dealer (keep in mind I live in Canada I'm sure its the same where you are but not exactly sure. You can smoke powder too or snort it I would do both
He ttbw best of both worlds the smoking hits you really quick but doesn't las very long and snorting takes about 20mins to kick in but lasts a lot longer. Try doing a line then smoking a bit the size of a match head so you get the instant rush then wait for the line you snorted to kick in

If you don't inject don't start unless you want to be a real loser.
Beware heroin even snorted or smoked is just addictive as IV heroin.
If your gonna be addicted to it though may as well be snorting and smoking as IV use carries with it a lot of risk.

 

[SoonAJunkie]

Why do that?lol
Let me explain
Snorted heroin is shitty, whenever I have dope I snort it cause I'm just an occasional user.But when I snort it I have to lie on the floor.It makes me extremely dizzy. Not just me,everyone else.Smoked heroin is good generally speaking, but it wastes a ton of it,and some people puke on heroin's taste.Iv is a one second orgasm but the afterglow is there,it's strong.Real dope is injected... Snorted is 80%cons and 20% pros, smoked Is 50-50 and Iv 99-1 for me

 

[gotit4cheap]

I know, I saw and read the Megathread, I'm not really asking whether or not I should try heroin though. I just had a few basic questions.

How much is in a "Stamp Bag"?

I was told if it's white/tan powder you should snort it and if it's tar you should smoke it...does that sound right? IV is off the table for me. The stuff I can get is a whitish powder so I guess I'll be snorting it.

Right now I have no opiate tolerance at all. This stuff is supposedly very high quality and I trust my sources so I'm guessing this is true. Erowid puts the no tolerance dose at 5-40mg for a common dose and 20-60mg for a strang dose? Does that sound right? I usually find Erowids dosing info to be on the lower side for me with most things, but better safe than sorry with something like H I guess, I'll probably start fairly low.

How long would a common dose snorted last for someone with no tolerance? Is it functional? Can I go to work on it? Obviously with the first few uses I'll stay home when I have nothing to do just to get a feel for it

Any other advice you can think of would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!

A stamp bag has no exact weight. If you have no opiate tolerance why even do heroin though...not trying to talk you out of it but if you can get whacked off eatin a couple perks or sniffing a little oxy instead of doing heroin, why not?

Why do that?lol
Let me explain
Snorted heroin is shitty, whenever I have dope I snort it cause I'm just an occasional user.But when I snort it I have to lie on the floor.It makes me extremely dizzy. Not just me,everyone else.Smoked heroin is good generally speaking, but it wastes a ton of it,and some people puke on heroin's taste.Iv is a one second orgasm but the afterglow is there,it's strong.Real dope is injected... Snorted is 80%cons and 20% pros, smoked Is 50-50 and Iv 99-1 for me

Don't give out information that isnt true..Obviously sniffing it doesn't feel as orgasmic as shooting but since when does snorting heroin make everyone who does it dizzy? It has never made me or any of the people I know that sniff it dizzy. Even when I was sniffing like 4-5 bags in 1 line . You should be careful and try to find a new connect if the dope you are sniffing is making you extremely dizzy.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

Why do that?lol
Let me explain
Snorted heroin is shitty, whenever I have dope I snort it cause I'm just an occasional user.But when I snort it I have to lie on the floor.It makes me extremely dizzy. Not just me,everyone else.Smoked heroin is good generally speaking, but it wastes a ton of it,and some people puke on heroin's taste.Iv is a one second orgasm but the afterglow is there,it's strong.Real dope is injected... Snorted is 80%cons and 20% pros, smoked Is 50-50 and Iv 99-1 for me

Dude you really want to encourage people to IV? I mean, come on. Why would you do that? The OP clearly said IV'ing is off the table, and that is smart. The only thing smarter would be not doing heroin at all.. but if one is determined to do it anyway, then at least they should chose a safer ROA and IV is certainly not that. Think about just how horribly an IV heroin addiction ruins somebodies life before you encourage people to shoot up. You want that for someone?


OP. Stamp bags are "supposed" to be about .1 gram, or 100mg's, but they are often only .05., .07. etc. Depends on the region you're getting it from.

Either way, for your first time, you're going to want to do a fraction of one bag. A small little bump, I always equate it to about the size of a match head. That's a good general eyeball dose that takes into consideration the varying purities of heroin.. as we have no clue how strong your shit is. But with that dose, even if it is strong, the risk of OD is minimal (unless you start redosing). And if you are going to redose, wait at least 30 minutes- an hour before doing any more.

With no opiate tolerance, even that small amount might really rock you. It's very common for people to get some unpleasant side effects like nausea, vomiting, sweating, etc, their first time using heroin, even if they keep the dose small (but the side effects are much worse and basically a given if they do too much).

With a small dose, and a nasal ROA (which has a longer duration than IV or smoking) the effects will last for about 5-6 hours, but since it's your first time, it'll hit you much harder so it'll probably last even longer. It'll mellow out though after a few hours but you'll still be really high. The first couple times I snorted H, I was high literally all day and then slept for like 24 hours straight in between running to the toilet to puke.. (sound fun?) You'll probably end up falling asleep after a few hours and puking your guts out, hah.

Obviously, you should reconsider.. nothing good can come of it. It'll probably suck the first time, and if you keep doing it enough for it to start feeling good, you'll already be well on the road to addiction.

So.. do what you want, but just know there's a very large chance you're going to regret this later on.. so make peace with that now.

Good luck and be safe.

 

[Kid Amine]

My first bag lasted me 4 days, did *tiny* little bumps, was enough to get high on. Good on you OP for not going to IV route, tho you can tell us and yourself it's off the table, unless you absolutely cannot get syringes, chances are you will. Small doses are functional, tho you'll definitely want to be home and have no responsibilities that day (like watching kids, driving, etc.) What's a good nod like? You can stare at your shoelaces for four hours, and be perfectly happy. Like being wrapped in a warm blanket of soft titties. It's perfect, until it wears off, and you want to go back to magicland, only the trip costs more each time, and eventually you cant or wont want to leave. and like Mr. Scagnettie, I puked my brains out the first time I IV'd (should have listened to my body saying "we've got to get this shit out now!", but I didnt).

"This stuff is supposedly very high quality..."

EVERYONE SAYS THAT. Fire, diesel, whatever the local slang, it's a term usually used with bullshit. Good H doesnt need advertisement and adjectives like that, it sells itself.

 

[Bambooshoot]

Why do that?lol
Let me explain
Snorted heroin is shitty, whenever I have dope I snort it cause I'm just an occasional user.But when I snort it I have to lie on the floor.It makes me extremely dizzy. Not just me,everyone else.Smoked heroin is good generally speaking, but it wastes a ton of it,and some people puke on heroin's taste.Iv is a one second orgasm but the afterglow is there,it's strong.Real dope is injected... Snorted is 80%cons and 20% pros, smoked Is 50-50 and Iv 99-1 for me

It was only a few months ago you came here asking the very same questions about snorting heroin. Then a few months later you came back and asked about IVing it. There is no turning back from the IV route. And you deteriorated very quickly from snorting to IV and no one on your thread said to you "Oh just IV it." So I imagine by now it is not as glamorous as you thought it would be. I mean before you had even tried heroin you made an account with the name 'soonajunkie'. My question is having seen the damage it can do why in the world would you want to suggest to someone to jump into IVing for their first time??This is a harm reduction site. You are doing the opposite. Giving out harmful information. Stop it please!

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

^^^

Exactly.

I expect more from you, SAJ. You're a perfect example of not listening to peoples advice, thinking you knew everything, glorifying heroin and addiction, and then falling off the rails.. and you fell fast. So.. you should be using that as a way to deter people and help them.. not encourage them to do even dumber shit than you did and become just as destroyed or even worse so. Not cool.

EVERYONE SAYS THAT. Fire, diesel, whatever the local slang, it's a term usually used with bullshit. Good H doesnt need advertisement and adjectives like that, it sells itself.

Yeah I was always of that opinion too. The actual good dope, doesn't need the push and marketing campaign.. word of mouth is all good H needs. 9 times out of 10, whenever someone implicitly goes out of their way to tell you shit is fire or the best dope on the planet, pure, whatever, they're full of shit and it's crap. Hah. The guys who have the actual good shit don't say anything.. their customers say it for them. "Ask around." Is all they need to say. Good dope doesn't need the hard sell. Shitty dope does.

 

[sstalker]

ButchCassidy:Listen to me man! DO NOT take it!You will regret that desition 4 the rest of ur life..I had needle fobia and i would have laughed my ass of if somebody told me that i would end up injecting it...You will probably like it,and from weekend user in a very short time u'll start taking it every day...It starts like that 4 every1...U'll like it so much that u'll find ur self spending all the money u have...And do not speak of loosing friends and partners...I neverl liked snorting it,i smoked it at the begining.The ritual was great and it lasted longer...I bet u'll be injecting it in a year or 2 if u start...If u haven't tried so far,don't even think about it...! Unless u want ur whole life to depend on it...U'll never be happy again naturally and that shit will be the reason of ur existing.Listen to me,i learned the hard way!
Everybody thinks that they can control it but no1 can actually.It consumes u so subversively that u wont even notice...

 

[tricomb]

^^^

Exactly.

I expect more from you, SAJ. You're a perfect example of not listening to peoples advice, thinking you knew everything, glorifying heroin and addiction, and then falling off the rails.. and you fell fast. So.. you should be using that as a way to deter people and help them.. not encourage them to do even dumber shit than you did and become just as destroyed or even worse so. Not cool.



Yeah I was always of that opinion too. The actual good dope, doesn't need the push and marketing campaign.. word of mouth is all good H needs. 9 times out of 10, whenever someone implicitly goes out of their way to tell you shit is fire or the best dope on the planet, pure, whatever, they're full of shit and it's crap. Hah. The guys who have the actual good shit don't say anything.. their customers say it for them. "Ask around." Is all they need to say. Good dope doesn't need the hard sell. Shitty dope does.

Truth. Not tryna gang up on anyone but SoonAJunkie's descent was one of the fastest I've ever seen around here, hopefully some people will learn from what happens if you're careless, arrogant/think you know what you're getting into, or overall do not respect the power of the narcotic you are handling, of which you have NO idea what purity it is unless you've sent in lab samples for GC/MS testing, which I can tell right now probably like less than 5% of users actually test their shit so don't ever think that when people say their dope is "like 50% pure in my area" or "80% out here in rural montana!" and other such impossibilities that would kill you DEAD if it was even close to that pure. Knowledge is Power. And you REQUIRE this before you try to take on something as demonic and potent as Heroin, unless you want to end up another statistic...

 

[King_Willie]

Why do that?lol
Let me explain
Snorted heroin is shitty, whenever I have dope I snort it cause I'm just an occasional user.But when I snort it I have to lie on the floor.It makes me extremely dizzy. Not just me,everyone else.Smoked heroin is good generally speaking, but it wastes a ton of it,and some people puke on heroin's taste.Iv is a one second orgasm but the afterglow is there,it's strong.Real dope is injected... Snorted is 80%cons and 20% pros, smoked Is 50-50 and Iv 99-1 for me

No offense but, you don't sound like you really know what you're talkin bout, haha....

 

[The Doc.]

^^^^ haha thanks Mr S and everyone what a goofy thing to say for a reasoning. I don't get why any IV user would encourage or get some one started on IVing dope I've never really heard any IV user say oh I'm sure glad I've ruined my veins I'm sure glad my body is almost completely septic , I'm glad I'm addicted to jabbing myself with a needle or I'm glad my arm has black and blue veins with track marks all up them.
Jeez it amazes me some people then he trys to say snorting it is bad cause it made him lie down on the floor for a bit he obviously knows jack sh*t about heroin or simply is a bit confused. Or mabye its misery loves company. Either way advocating IV use is retarded and if that's what your here to do then don't bother contributing to the forum.
What if the OP goes oh really snorting and smoking is worse than IV okay then goes to try to shoot up not knowing fuck all about the process and ends up hitting a valve or giving himself a heart attack not filtering it properly.
I mean really think before you talk
What you said made no sense you say you only snort heroin cause your a occasional user but you told the OP that injecting it is the only way it gives good effects any and that if you ever snort heroin it only makes you dizzy so IV is the only way to go. Why would you say you only snort heroin cause your a occasional user when the OP is obviously a occasional user too? if you hate snorting so much and only advocate IV use to others why would that be your perfered ROA ??and why would you continue snorting the crap if all it does is make everything spin and you hate it so much?
I don't know mabye you put some typos in there or something but I just don't understand why your advocating IV drug use to somebody?

So much just doesn't add up

 

[BlueHues]

OP, don't you have someone with more experience than yourself to show you the ropes, because in most cases, by the time someone is in a position to access heroin, they've been around other drugs and users enough to have at least an inkling of an idea of what they're getting themselves into, and at least have someone they know who's tried the heroin in question give them a rough assessment of potency and a good starting dosage...which is essential with a drug like heroin...

IMO, heroin isn't a drug that someone without a modicum of opiate experience has any business even trying, and the very nature of the way heroin has traditionally been distributed prevented the scenario of the completely naive staring at a pile of heroin alone in their bedroom and wondering what they should do with it...

As someone else stated, with no tolerance to opiates, there's dozens of other opiates/oids that could give you the same experience without the risk. Jumping straight into heroin has a lot of potential danger....

The other thing with heroin...The difference in potency can vary tremendously....With some batches, 50-75mgs will barely get even a naive user high. With other batches, 20mgs could put you in the danger zone, and I've seen amounts that small nearly overwhelm people snorting it....

Start very small, 10-20 mgs...and go from there....better yet, try some hydrocodone and save the heroin for another time..

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

better yet, try some hydrocodone and save the heroin for another time..

Yeah for real.

 

[SoonAJunkie]

Sorry to go off topic but I don't get it when you're saying there are tons of other opiates...Here in Greece most junkies are addicted just because they liked heroin.Nobody even knows what hydrocodone or oxycodone is...for real,are things that different in America? And sorry if you misunderstood MD I didn't encourage op to do iv. I just said iv will give you the positives of the drug..If it's off the table,let it be,good for op.
Op if you are not disgusted by heroin's smell and taste just smoke it,snorting doesn't do the trick

 

[tricomb]

Let's also point out here that in Greece, you have an entirely different form of heroin than the two styles found in the west, Heroin #4 and Black & Brown Tar Heroin.

 

[BlueHues]

Hydrocodone is very common in the US...If you could somehow just go from house to house and look through peoples pill bottles, you'd probably find a bottle of hydrocodone in half the houses....

 

[Xorkoth]

I know, I saw and read the Megathread, I'm not really asking whether or not I should try heroin though. I just had a few basic questions.

How much is in a "Stamp Bag"?

I was told if it's white/tan powder you should snort it and if it's tar you should smoke it...does that sound right? IV is off the table for me. The stuff I can get is a whitish powder so I guess I'll be snorting it.

Right now I have no opiate tolerance at all. This stuff is supposedly very high quality and I trust my sources so I'm guessing this is true. Erowid puts the no tolerance dose at 5-40mg for a common dose and 20-60mg for a strong dose? Does that sound right? I usually find Erowids dosing info to be on the lower side for me with most things, but better safe than sorry with something like H I guess, I'll probably start fairly low.

How long would a common dose snorted last for someone with no tolerance? Is it functional? Can I go to work on it? Obviously with the first few uses I'll stay home when I have nothing to do just to get a feel for it

Any other advice you can think of would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!

Pure heroin is in those dosage frames. I got a little bit once from a friend who got it from some dig Pakistan dupplier of 100% pure heroin, the tiniest amount would hit me hard, like 7mg to start, later I moved to 15mg, maybe did 20mg once. I only went through a 250mg sample and I had a moderate dependence from that. Much worse withdrawals than any other opiate I've been on. I was doing it a couple of times a day though.

 

[tunesey]

Heroin just aint worth the price if you ask me. I am not talking monetary terms here. The cost is alot lower than the price you pay. I am from the UK and the only H I have seen comes in a brown powder. It is only really sold by junkies who IMO get a good batch cut it to fuck and keep the best quality stuff for themselves. I tried it a few times and it was shite. I once put a quarter gram bag in spliff and smoked it all to myself and then and only then I got a decent buzz. Some old acquaintance of mine said you have to I/V it fuck that look at the state of you I thought. Smelly underweight junkie living his short ass life in a smelly dirty flat that never once has the curtains open. Why would anyone in there right mind want to go through that. It will kill you in the end just ask Peaches Geldof