A word of warning concerning Xanax

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I've been using various drugs for years now. I never kept a habit with anything but marijuana, which I still smoke very occasionally. Aside from occasional adderall to study or work hard through long shifts, and very occasional drinking in social situations, i don't use any drugs regularly.

Personally, i've never had an issue with drug addiction until being introduced to Xanax. It's extremely popular and available where I live and after developing insomnia I began to use it to get me to sleep quickly after long labor-intensive shifts at work. It began with very moderate doses, maybe .5mg of an instant release Xanax bar. I began to develop feelings of apathy, depression, and aggression within a few days of regular use upon waking up the morning after a dose, not to mention my tolerance was skyrocketing very very quickly. Within two weeks I was taking 2 2mg bars just to get the same affect as the .5mg I was consuming previously. This went on for about a month and half, until I was taking so much xanax it was hurting me mentally and financially. My wake up call came one afternoon after having not had xanax for two days and upon assembling a desk for my room (which had horrid instructions) I became so frustrated from very small things not working out that I put a hole into my bedroom wall and nearly broke my wrist.
I'm usually a very calm and level headed person, and even when I do pop off I internalize it all and usually just let it pass. Seeing myself become so angry as to put a hole in my wall made me finally do some research into the side effects of Xanax use. I came to understand how extremely addictive it was for the first time, and learned of the horrible withdrawal symptoms which I had began to experience. I immediate took my bag of about 8 bars and flushed them.

This is the part that really made the experience horrible, I spent the next week experiencing suicidal depression, insomnia, aggression, and an extremely low capacity for stress of any kind (school, work, family, etc). I had no appetite for the most part, and the first 4 days after quitting I was so fatigued it was difficult to do anything.

After experiencing what I would consider my first legitimate drug withdrawal I learned my lesson: There are some drugs you just shouldn't mess around with.

I'm not saying Xanax should be avoided entirely, as it does seem to have some positive properties, but I wouldn't recommend it to anyone unless its actually for a panic disorder.
If you decide to quit and have been using for a long time, TAPER YOUR DOSE. If you are being prescribed Xanax, make it clear to your prescribing doctor or whoever that you want to quit with a tapering dose. Prolonged and heavy Xanax use that ends suddenly is very deadly. I just caught myself early. I can't stress enough though, do not just stop taking Xanax like I did, I wouldn't wish those withdrawals on my worst enemy. Taper Taper Taper.

Moral of the story: Know your limits, stop addictions early, and ALWAYS do your research into the negative side effects of drugs before using them experimentally for otherwise.
 
I think the sad thing is that doctors in the US propose this drug for just about any hurdle you may encounter in life. I have a sister that has been on ever increasing doses for years even though her depression and anxiety and whatever else they say it is for just keeps right on growing. When my husband had a heart attack they tried to get me to take it, when my son was in full addiction they tried to convince me and then when he died it was like every person in the world suddenly thought it was the best idea. What ever happened to actually experiencing emotions with all the discomfort and pain that may mean? We have a drug pushing medical establishment and a drug taking culture. We choose to stigmatize and vilify certain drugs and certain drug users but the whole damn country has been conditioned to think that "medicating" away your problems is possible. No amount of misery seems to make a dent in this myth. I value western medicine and I value the field of psychology but we have gone so far astray, starting with putting our physical and mental health in the hands of the so-called experts, rather than following even the health basics like eating fresh, non-chemicalized foods, good sleep hygiene, real exercise and using basic unaltered plant medicines as a first line of defense against imbalance. I will always choose to use acupuncture, naturopathy and herbal remedies before resorting to chemical medications.
 
I think the sad thing is that doctors in the US propose this drug for just about any hurdle you may encounter in life. I have a sister that has been on ever increasing doses for years even though her depression and anxiety and whatever else they say it is for just keeps right on growing. When my husband had a heart attack they tried to get me to take it, when my son was in full addiction they tried to convince me and then when he died it was like every person in the world suddenly thought it was the best idea. What ever happened to actually experiencing emotions with all the discomfort and pain that may mean? We have a drug pushing medical establishment and a drug taking culture. We choose to stigmatize and vilify certain drugs and certain drug users but the whole damn country has been conditioned to think that "medicating" away your problems is possible. No amount of misery seems to make a dent in this myth. I value western medicine and I value the field of psychology but we have gone so far astray, starting with putting our physical and mental health in the hands of the so-called experts, rather than following even the health basics like eating fresh, non-chemicalized foods, good sleep hygiene, real exercise and using basic unaltered plant medicines as a first line of defense against imbalance. I will always choose to use acupuncture, naturopathy and herbal remedies before resorting to chemical medications.

Gawd bless Amuricah!

Have you read Bad Pharma by Ben Goldacre? You should do if you haven't, although it will enrage you.
 
Great post herby.

I also want to chime in that after years of taking these medications to "solve" my problems I realized a few things. Problems arent solved by drugs the actually need to be solved. I get way better sleep on five hours on natural sleep then 12 hours of benzo sleep. I also think that the use of the benzos for any uninterrupted length of time ends up increasing anxiety instead of reducing it. I think they have their place but I don't think this includes 24/7 use at all.

Benzo Information
BENZODIAZEPINES: HOW THEY WORK AND HOW TO WITHDRAW (aka The Ashton Manual)
Benzodiazepine withdrawal syndrome Wiki
 
Considering they really are intended for short term use,yet they're often prescribed for longer, I think doctors or the FDA or whoever is in control at the higher up, should utilize a stricter writing of prescriptions where you would get two weeks worth(give or take) and then after you're done that a two week grace period of not using them and then back to two weeks of use.

I mean if you're getting them off the street, that throws out the control, but I can see this being a lot more effective and less problematic in many ways. This is just a theory, I think it would be helpful to patients, and yeah we all love xanax and all that jazz, but it would probably prevent diversion with people selling out their scripts of hundreds of xanax bars.
 
Medication should never be the long term answer to pretty much any condition that alprazolam is indicated for. Unfortunately, health and pharmaceutical industries across the world are fucked right up and the interests of those involved in them are in direct conflict to the interests of the ill a lot of the time.
 
Alprazolam (xanax) was recently upgraded to S8 schedule (the same schedule as strong opiates like morphine) in Australia. The longest I've gone taking them is about a month and a half (every day); I think 6 weeks is the borderline to becoming well and truly dependent on it.
 
If you are dosing a say three times spread out throughout the day, it will take ten days tops to develop physical dependance. I would suggest the above post is dangerous and misleading. You might be able to get away with doing that popping one or two in the evening for that long but if you're doing it spread throughout the day you'll be feeling dependance far far quicker than six weeks.
 
If you are dosing a say three times spread out throughout the day, it will take ten days tops to develop physical dependance. I would suggest the above post is dangerous and misleading. You might be able to get away with doing that popping one or two in the evening for that long but if you're doing it spread throughout the day you'll be feeling dependance far far quicker than six weeks.

10 days tops for physical dependence?

I would think that may be possible, but I wouldn't think that is the typical common experience, I'd find it hard to imagine withdrawals at the 10 day mark, I mean it could happen, but I would be surprised.
 
I think the sad thing is that doctors in the US propose this drug for just about any hurdle you may encounter in life.

Really? I could've sworn it was SSRIs. AFAIK doctors have really cracked down on prescribing narcotic medication, at least in the US.

Considering they really are intended for short term use,yet they're often prescribed for longer, I think doctors or the FDA or whoever is in control at the higher up, should utilize a stricter writing of prescriptions where you would get two weeks worth(give or take) and then after you're done that a two week grace period of not using them and then back to two weeks of use.

So basically you would take it long enough to get mildly addicted and then quit taking it and have withdrawal type symptoms and worse anxiety for 2 weeks? That makes absolutely no sense. It's one thing if you're only taking xanax or a benzo every now and then but for someone like me who is on them long term, going 2 weeks without my medication would be absolute hell.

10 days tops for physical dependence?

I would think that may be possible, but I wouldn't think that is the typical common experience, I'd find it hard to imagine withdrawals at the 10 day mark, I mean it could happen, but I would be surprised.

You absolutely could develop a level of dependence after that time, especially if you're taking it every day and it's a moderately high dose. Maybe not enough to go into full blown withdrawals but definitely enough for rebound anxiety and other symptoms.
 
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Really? I could've sworn it was SSRIs. AFAIK doctors have really cracked down on prescribing narcotic medication, at least in the US.



So basically you would take it long enough to get mildly addicted and then quit taking it and have withdrawal type symptoms and worse anxiety for 2 weeks? That makes absolutely no sense. It's one thing if you're only taking xanax or a benzo every now and then but for someone like me who is on them long term, going 2 weeks without my medication would be absolute hell.



You absolutely could develop a level of dependence after that time, especially if you're taking it every day and it's a moderately high dose. Maybe not enough to go into full blown withdrawals but definitely enough for rebound anxiety and other symptoms.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say it is extremely uncommon to experience withdrawals and rebound anxiety at that point, possible, sure, but definitely atypical.

Especially with what you pointed out, two weeks of withdrawals/rebound or worst anxiety from just two weeks of use, I'd say that in particular is highly unlikely.

If you were talking months, I wouldn't disagree, but two weeks causing two weeks of withdrawal, I don't know about that.
 
I'd like to chime in with a somewhat contradictory opinion. I've been on benzodiazepines since I was seven (twenty-one years) I actually do have a legitimate disorder and have never experienced withdraw from any benzo. At one point I was prescribed both 3mg clonazepam and 2mg xanax a day. the xanax quit working for me entirely so now I take 5mg clonazepam a day. why am I not hooked after all these years. ( I know I'm not because there have been many times I've gone weeks without them. unwillingly, but not withdrawing). I have to add that I'm not one of those lucky people who just seem immune to addiction. I'm a heroin addict currently on maintenance for the last nine months. I've used just about every drug excessively and have been hooked on several but weathered the withdraws and moved on, except with opiates. I'm also in pain management so I plan on staying on maintainenance. Also I've never tested positive for benzo's even though I'm alway's on them (urine test, not blood.). Any idea's why it is that I haven't had benzo withdraw's.
 
If you are dosing a say three times spread out throughout the day, it will take ten days tops to develop physical dependance. I would suggest the above post is dangerous and misleading. You might be able to get away with doing that popping one or two in the evening for that long but if you're doing it spread throughout the day you'll be feeling dependance far far quicker than six weeks.
May I enquire, from where did you stumble upon this enlightening information? Was it personal experience? Is it a known fact? Did you consult a doctor, or did you read a medical journal? Perhaps it is your information that is misleading, or you may be trolling for all I know.
 
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From the British National Formulary:

Benzodiazepines are indicated for the short-term relief (two to four weeks only)

So your six week 'borderline' is well beyond what is considered safe according to the medical text. That is at a medical dosage, suggested 250-500mcg three times daily, increased to a maximum of 3mg daily in extreme situations.

From my personal experience and that of many many others I know you don't even have to use them for that long before experiencing some sort of very mild withdrawal, especially if you are exceeding a medical dosage as mentioned in the original post.

Certainly when we are talking about the possible periods of use you can undergo without addiction on this site it is best to sway to the side of vigilance rather than risk-taking, it is a harm reduction site after all. The notion of six weeks being a 'borderline' is untrue and a ddangerous thing to suggest. If you are using throughout the day (as I stipulated originally), the vast majority of people will be solidly in to physical dependence at the six week stage.

Maybe 10 days is a little short, but better to cut a little bit off the medical assumptions (especially given that these are driven by the research of pharmaceutical companies who are looking to sell as much of a drug as possible) than add a fortnight on to the top estimate then call it 'borderline'.

So there's my reasoning, what is your reasoning for an estimate of six weeks being 'borderline'?
 
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I was talking about my experience. It is hardly misleading to mention my experiences, now, is it?

There is no formula to benzodiazapine dependence, as everyone's body is different.

If you are erring on the side of caution, power to you.
 
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I was talking about my experience. It is hardly misleading to mention my experiences, now, is it?

You didn't just mention your experience though, you made a judgement on the period of time it takes to get addicted. Your experience is certainly just as welcome as anyone elses though that's for sure. I guess I jumped the gun a little bit for my part as it's all too easy for someone to look at that and think they'll be fine caning them for six weeks when for the vast majority of people they wont at all.

At least it's provoked some imformative discussion, so everyone wins in the end.
 
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