Mental Health Quetiapine (Generic Seroquel) Trial

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So I got prescribed a trial for a low dose of quetiapine (25mgs to be exact). Haven't started it yet for a few reasons but I'm planning on and am wondering has anyone here had any success with it, especially at a fairly low dose? I've heard mixed reviews as with any psychiatric drug but some of the amounts people were taking seemed outrageous just based on what little I know about it. But anyways let me know what your experiences have been, even if a larger dose! I'm interested to see if I have any sort of luck with this but I can't start quite yet.
 
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I have quite a few friends on Seroquel and they all say it works well after they get past the initial phase of feeling like a zombie. I've personally been on it, but only because it was one of the few drugs that could knock me out completely and I hated feeling sluggish and like shit the next day.

What are you taking it for?
 
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Was prescribed it for depression and anxiety and also because I felt like my other medication was starting to not be as effective basically. I've been diagnosed with a few things and possible bipolar II although I've never had that officially confirmed since I can't afford a psychiatrist and my gp doesn't really feel comfortable making those sorts of calls. I'm pretty much convinced I am tho just from realizing some of my own behaviors and doing my own research. But I digress lol... From the little bit I've read on here in the other threads on quetiapine I guess it's pretty much a given that you have to take it at night unless you want to pass out all day. While that's not a problem I would be concerned with the "zombifying" and grogginess if it continues the next day because right now I definitely don't need to be more groggy.
 
Hi Nuttynutskin,

I've been on Quetiapine for roughly six years, varying doses. I'm currently being treated for PTSD (with depression and GAD) and Bipolar II, so I take 600mg every night (patients with schizophrenia are sometimes on doses in the 1000mg!). I started on 25mg, it didn't help at that dose. Slowly over the years it's been increased. There isn't really a set amount that works for everyone, everyone is different so you might find the 25mg helps or not.

Chiefly the Quetiapine helps me sleep. I have a dependency issue with sedatives so this is a good drug to use for sleep as it is not addictive (trust me, it isn't). Without this medication, I don't sleep. I have always been an insomniac and this is the only thing that helps me sleep. I trialled a similar drug, Neulactil, which was a much older drug in the same family (anti-psychotics. Don't let that label scare you, just because you take that med doesn't mean you're psychotic) which was a really bad experience.

There is another form of Quetiapine, it's extended release (Seroquel XR is the brand name) and it was a horrific experience. I had nightmares so bad I was afraid to sleep at all. Yet I know people it has helped.

Generally, I don't like the Quetiapine, at the same time I do (if that makes sense). The way it puts you to sleep feels like a drugged coma to me. It drags you down like you're going through quicksand. If you suffer night terrors like I do, it really can be an issue. And taking it during the day is a super bad idea because you will sleep all day! To begin with you do get a zombie-like effect in the morning, but after a short time it goes away. The only other downside to this family of drug, is that you can gain some weight. I only gained a few kilos with Quetiapine.

All of the negatives aside it is a good drug. It is used for treating trauma well, it does help anxiety, if you are a difficult sleeper it will help you sleep. As much as the downsides annoy me, I am very reluctant to stop this medication. It's been suggested, just as my treatment has progressed, but I really prefer staying on it despite the draw backs.

It really comes to a pro v. con situation. I'm also on olzanpine, a similar drug. It REALLY helps with the anxiety and doesn't have the sleepiness side effect. But I'm only taking that in very low doses.

I hope I haven't scared you away from it, it comes down to whether you think it's worth a try and remember all drugs effect people differently.
 
Generally, I don't like the Quetiapine, at the same time I do (if that makes sense). The way it puts you to sleep feels like a drugged coma to me. It drags you down like you're going through quicksand. If you suffer night terrors like I do, it really can be an issue.

Yeah remeron gave me night terrors/extremely fucked up dreams including one where I dreamed someone smashed through my bedroom window lol. Oh well thanks for the advice, I'll let you know how it goes when I try it out.
 
I was prescribed Seroquel a few years back, first at 50 then 100 mg. It's good for helping with sleep but I was very lethargic from it. The next day I was super light headed and dizzy, even when I cut back to 50 mg. It gave me a huge appetite so it's great if you're trying to gain weight. My doctor didn't believe me when I told him it gave me restless legs too. I stopped using it because I couldn't get past the side effects.
 
ive had it prescribed to me before, a few years back. i remember feeling very tired and felt the urge to sleep within 10 minutes of taking it. definitely one of the most sedating anti psychotics ive tried.
 
Yeah, I took it last night and good god if I wasn't sleeping in about 10 minutes. Shit hit me like a ton of bricks and it was only 25mgs. I took it at around 3am (I'm a late night person) and slept for at least 12 hours but still felt tired as hell pretty much all day and didn't really want to do anything other than sleep. I didn't really have any weird dreams or unpleasant side effects besides being overly sedated and some dry mouth, but I think unfortunately this is something I would only use if I couldn't sleep and really needed to. I don't need something that's going to make me just sleep all day, I already have had enough problems being motivated lately.
 
^^ How long is the trial for, nutty? Perhaps the side effects will wear off the more you take it?
 
Was supposed to be for 2 weeks but honestly I don't think I'm going to find out. I'll keep it around for "emergencies" but I think it's just way too sedating for me to take all the time. It'd be great if it helped my depression but just isn't worth it to me if it means walking around like a tired zombie slurring my words. I definitely can see why it's popular with prisoners tho.
 
^ Yeah, if it makes you too sedated and brings your energy/motivation down a lot, it may not be the best for you. It's so frustrating to try and find the right medication to work for everything :\
 
The side effects wore of after a week or so for me, but the doctor had to continually up my dose for it to be effective. I stopped taking seroquel quite a while back, when I quit I was on 400mg a day. The maximum dosage for my body weight. I was diagnosed schitzoaffective
 
Seroquel at 'therapeutic' doses just gives me a dry mouth and knocks me out cold into a dreamless black coma for a good 12 hours. A potentially acceptable 'last option' sleeping pill in that sense, assuming nothing important on the next day, as the zombie feeling can continue for a good 20 hours after ingestion. Also, tip: in very very low doses (~10mg?) it's great for nausea without being sedating. :)

Conclusion: I have no idea how people take this regularly and function. I would be far more mentally coherent slamming down 8 beers in the morning than taking 100mg of Seroquel. The thought of people driving while on this is just scary.

PS: What is even stranger is that I've heard some people enjoy taking it?? The feeling while on it and awake is peculiarly uncomfortable. As maddalice correctly put it: it feels like you're being dragged down into quicksand. There is a disconnect between your limbs and your mental faculties. Both walking and thinking become burdensome... Surely it would therefore only be enjoyable to those who want to escape reality in its entirely.
 
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I would be far more mentally coherent slamming down 8 beers in the morning than taking 100mg of Seroquel. The thought of people driving while on this is just scary.

Yeah without a doubt. And I would much rather slam down 8 beers. :\ Seriously, at least I would be relaxed but not pass out into a coma and feel like a zombie the next day.

PS: What is even stranger is that I've heard some people enjoy taking it?? The feeling while on it and awake is peculiarly uncomfortable.

Yeah I agree again... I felt no euphoria or anything like that the next day.

Either way, I haven't touched the stuff again. I do plan on doing an experiment of sorts tho and see what taking a very small amount during the day does.
 
I have bipolar NOS with rapid cycling and mixed state features. I do get full blown mania as well and if i am not on meds that are working for me i often switch back and forth between Mania, mixed state Mania and depression. I have been on a number of anti-psychotics both atypical and old typical anti-psychotics. The only atypicals my insurance will cover for me are seroquel and risperidone. I find that Quetiapine works much better for my symptoms with less side effects then risperidone. Olanzapine worked far better for me with no side effects but since i can't get it covered, the fact that it's so expensive (about $8 for a 10mg generic Olanzapine tablet and i would need atleast 10mg's a day) and the fact that my doctor does not like prescribing Thorazine/Largactil (which also works good for me with little side effects in the short run atleast) i am stuck with seroquel.

It definitely does help my bipolar and unlike say risperdal it also helps my depression as well as mania. It also helps stop the rapid cycling and dark racing thoughts i get and of course hypomania and mania. The biggest complaint i have about seroquel is that it takes days to really start working at all against mania or depression. It's a really sedating anti-psychotic and it can rival even alot of the really old typical's like chlorpromazine (Thorazine aka Largactil) and prochlorperazine (Compazine, Stemetil) in terms of sedation but it's not a very potent anti-psychotic. Low doses of 200mg's or less of quetiapine (everyone is different this is just a sort of average) pretty much just acts as a potent H1 antagonist and adrenergic antagonist. It's not until you get above 200mg's a day that it really starts acting as a antagonist at serotonin and dopamine receptors. I have been on up to 500mg's a day and really the biggest complaints i have of seroquel are that it won't knock mania right out in a emergency situation and that it takes far longer to work then say olanzapine or risperidone. Well that and the godawful dry mouth and even dry eyes that i get right after taking it. Fortunately since it has such a short half life the dry mouth and other anti-histaminic effects wear off fairly quickly. As far as the sedation goes i find that it loses this effect pretty quickly.

A few pluses that i found seroquel to have is that it never gave me the zombie effect that is a common complaint of anti-psychotics. I do get alot of sedation when i first start taking it unless i am manic then i often won't feel it at all. But i don't get the dumbed out zombie feeling that i often get from risperdal especially if i take over 2mg's a day. I am going to guess that this is because risperidone is a very potent D2 antagonist while quetiapine only hit's the D2 receptor in higher doses and possibly dissociates from the D2 receptor thus allowing normal transmission of dopamine. Which is why seroquel doesn't screw with your hormones nearly as much as risperdal does. Unfortunately quetiapine is not a take as needed anti-psychotic like olanzapine, risperidone or some of the older ones such as haldol are. It takes days to reach anti-psychotic doses and even when you get up to around 300mg's a day it still takes awile for it to start working fully. The good news is that almost everyone i know including myself finds that the sedation goes away pretty quickly once you reach a anti-psychotic dose. This may be due to quetiapine's active metabolite norquetiapine which acts as a norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor among other things. Or perhaps just like every other anti-histamine you become tolerant to the sedation caused by H1 antagonists.

I would say to give it a try for a week if you can hack it out. Some people find that seroquel XR which is the 24 hour release version works better as it's slow release so you don't get the knockout effect. Plus it get's around quetiapine's rather short half life of 5 hours. Though you will probably be more groggy during the day at first with the XR version. What other anti-psychotics have you tried? If you haven't tried it i would suggest olanzapine as that one knocks out mania and mixed states after half a hour for me if it's the Zyprexa zydis version which is a wafer you melt on your tongue. You can get away with taking it as needed too.

I have taken quetiapine, risperidone, olanzapine, methotrimeprazine aka levomepromazine (a old phenothiazine anti-psychotic that is related to chlorpromazine but only has half the anti-psychotic potency but is so sedating it makes quetiapine look like dextroamphetamine), chlorpromazine aka largactil aka good old Thorazine and prochlorperazine aka stemetil aka compazine. I have only taken the methotrimeprazine and compazine for sleep (just 15mg's of methotrimeprazine will knock me out for a good 12 hours), nausea and vomiting so i can't say how well they worked for bipolar. I was prescribed the Thorazine for nausea and vomiting too but i did take 100mg's of it sometimes for a manic episode and it worked quite well. Out of all of them i found zyprexa to not only work the best but with the least side effects. But everyone is different and it took me a long time to find the right combo of meds and unfortunately trial and error is the name of the game for most people with bipolar. So try and not get discouraged just because a med doesn't work for you. Right now i take 200mg's of lamotrigine as my mood stabilizer along with the quetiapine and clonazepam. Sometimes i take bupropion or trimipramine as a anti-depressant too but lately i haven't really needed it. It has been a rough winter to say the least but there is no med going to change the shitty situation i live in.

I am lucky if i get 6 hours of sleep a night and i take 4-6mg's of clonazepam, 150mg's of morphine SR (or more) and often 20mg's or more of dicyclomine (brand name bentylol) which is a strong anti-cholinergic used as a antispasmodic (it helps my IBS) a day along with the 300-400mg's of quetiapine i take every night. On bad days I'll sometimes take 100mg's during the day. Oddly enough quetiapine seems to help my attention span and motivation because i don't have all those thoughts spinning around my head so i can actually concentrate.

Good luck on finding something that works for you and don't give up trying :)
 
Alright Nutty here is my experience. I have been previously in the past on doses ranging from 25-900 mg a day. The lower doses tend to make you very sleepy and I mean very.Now if you get into the higher doses you just deal with increased hunger well let me rephrase that. Less sleepiness but hungry all the time. It possibly will make you very lethargic where you don't want to move around but it is a wonderful medication all in all that treats anxiety mood disorder psychosis and even depression. Good luck and watch the weight. Start exercising if you can.
 
Thanks for the responses... I haven't completely written it off yet, but I'm going on a trip in 9 days so now is not the best time for me to be experimenting with a new med.
 
I took Seroquel a few years back for awhile and when I first started taking it, it put me to sleep in minutes; it was the weirdest thing. I felt that it was effective for my major anxiety at the time, but it caused me to gain 40-50 pounds. I love sweets, so a few years later, I'm still carrying the extra weight. I was a thin person and the weight gain was bizarre, but now I know that it does that to people frequently.
 
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