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ALTERNATIVE THEORIES V: The Build-a-bear Workshop

That video is fckin retarded the toad..

That hole is the exit wound where the engine smashed through multiple concrete walls.. there is a pic of the remains of the engine somewhere around there..

"There is no plane wreckage in sight in any of these shots".. Well.. no.. there isn't.. but those shots are shit and were obviously chosen by the creator BECAUSE they don't show plane wreckage.. there are tons of photos of plane wreckage in and around the pentagon.

The rest of it is relying solely on a very poor quality video from an unknown source.. Very reliable.

Oh and of course no conspiracy theory "proof" video would be complete with a couple of quotes taken out of context.. Ignoring the amount of people that saw a plane that day.

NSFW:

Hey! Lets stage a terror attack on the pentagon! First.. we'll make a plane, the crew and it's passengers disappear off the face of the planet.. Then.. we'll fake voice recordings of the passengers talking to loved one.. we'll hack into air traffic control radars to make it look like a plane has turned around and headed for the pentagon..

But then! We fire a cruise missile into the pentagon.. We'll brain wash everyone there into thinking that they saw a plane.. We'll transport tons of replica plane wreckage to the pentagon and place it around the place and hope nobody see's us..

Why don't we just fly the plane into the pentagon?

=D Oh you..


Planes may or may not have been involved... Wheres the wrecked plane parts?
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http://lmgtfy.com/?q=plane+wreckage+pentagon
 
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I do too, normally..

But I'm extremely bored so what the heck.

Hitting the only recently reinforced section of the pentagon neither proves nor suggests anything.. Why would they bother reinforcing a section to then fly a plane into it? But of course conspiracy theorists find 2 2's and somehow make 911 out of it.

So the flight recorder disproves pentagon attack but does prove that a replica of the plane made the same trip just slightly higher and to the right?

Come on man. I don't know how flight recorders work but my moneys on the guy who made the video either accidentally or on purpose altered the information between the box and the computer program used to make the animation..

The amount of people that would have accessed the same information and studied it yet he's the only one that notices anything strange.

So what's your theory now anyway? They took flight 77, skimmed it over the top of the pentagon as they shot it with a missile and then flew off to the island in Lost?

Report from the company that supplied the information:
http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/attack/flight77.html
http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidence/ntsb.html
 
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before I ask this, I want to make it clear that i'm aware of the ppl and the thread in whcih I'm about to say this, but- has the 9/11 technicalities, ie the ways the physical destructions happened, not been extensively/conclusively documented and proven? It's one thing to argue about whether our intelligence/executive agencies knew before-hand, but the actual mechanics of it, last I checked they were incredibly, throroughly documented. Is the manner in which these buildings were hit still up to any (non-psychotic)debate? really?
 
Folley said:
Hint: If you post youtube videos to back your claims up, I automatically dismiss them in my head.
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You have a tendency to do that with many things that you dont agree with but cant form a logical argument against.

I notice you completely ignored my question about why steel jet engines dont melt when jet fuel burns in them...

I post videos because i dont feel like sitting here all day typing pages and pages of shit that can be covered by posting a link... Its your job to fact check what people say... Thats what i do and thats why i dont believe the bullshit official story... I dont claim to know exactly what did happen but theres some things i know cant happen the way they say they did.
 
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^thnx but I'm not watching some 1hr youtube. See, it's real easy to just say what you need to say, if you need me to watch a 1hr video to get your point across, that says a lot :\
 
the toad said:
Its your job to fact check what people say...
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No, it's not. Digging "deep" into the 9/11 "conspiracy" solves nothing. Literally, nothing. Bush will never be tried for the War Criminal he is and most of the American public already knows that entire fiasco was bull shit yet still adamantly deny it.


Why didn't I address the jet fuel? I'm not an engineer, I have no fucking idea how burning jet fuel would effect this scenario... let's be real, you don't either. Sure there is a LOT of incongruities in the story but if you are pushing blatant misinformation, you are doing MUCH more harm to the cause than good. Even if it was true, getting the American public to believe it and support the change simply isn't going to happen.. We need to be focusing on the current corruption that affects us all on a day to day basis, that's what will bring people to stand up for what's right. Pushing vague youtube videos made by some dude in his basement (or, in a CIA safehouse) does nothing but confuse the matter with lies and deception.
 
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^well said. I could watch that video and, w/o being an expert in a million fields, all I can do is presume they're full of shit, or waste crazy amounts of time online trying to learn shit just to, for the millionth time, realize where these ppl were lying/sensationalizing. That's why I hate these types of videos (no, I haven't watched it, but pretty sure I know what type it is); they 'sound' accurate/scary, but then if you actually try to get to the bottom of the claims they make sound so clear.as.day, you find they were full of shit w/ agendas.

Was there likelihood ppl knew this attack was coming beforehand? Probably. Was it a false-flag, perpetrated by our gov? Go fuck yourself.
 
Bill Clinton admits on Jimmy Kimmel Live to investigating aliens
Date
April 4, 2014

Steve Lillebuen

Bill Clinton, do aliens exist?
The former US president says he finds it increasingly unlikely that we're alone in the universe, and hopes if we are visited by extraterrestrials that they come in peace.
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Bill Clinton has revealed he "wouldn't be surprised" if aliens visited Earth after he ordered a complete review of secret government files.

The former US president has opened up about his efforts investigating extraterrestrial life during an appearance on the Jimmy Kimmel Live! talk show.

I just hope that it's not like Independence Day, the movie, that it's a conflict

He said his second term in office included the 50th anniversary of the infamous Roswell incident, which sparked a generation of conspiracy theories about a possible UFO crash landing.

Mr Clinton said he had all the records on the incident reviewed in time for the anniversary, as well as all the records on the secret Area 51 military base "to make sure there was no alien down there".

While he didn't find an alien, he said the truth is out there.

"If we were visited some day, I wouldn't be surprised," he said.

There are just too many planets in the universe to think otherwise, he added.

He promised the late-night host that he would tell the public if he had proof of alien life after reviewing the government's files.

"If they're out there, think of how all the differences among people on Earth would seem small if we felt threatened by a space invader," he said.

"I just hope that it's not like Independence Day, the movie, that it's a conflict. It may be the only way to unite us in this increasingly divided world of ours."

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment...ting-aliens-20140404-362cz.html#ixzz2zUbkHxAZ
 
bit_pattern said:
Actually, it's not...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophic_burden_of_proof

IT is the adherence to basic standards of intellectual honesty that separates those interested in seeking knowledge from conspiracy theorists and deniers.
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Generally yes i agree except when i post a video explaining my opinion and get this as a response;
Folley said:
Hint: If you post youtube videos to back your claims up, I automatically dismiss them in my head.
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That is not a legitimate agrument or even a question for me to answer to further explain myself or what part(s) he doesnt agree with or whatever hes simply dismissing my opinion based on its format or source or whatever... Im all for backing up claims but i also avoid giving overfeeding the trolls.
 
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I've spent enough time watching videos about 9/11 to know they are easily debunked..

And seeing as you've ignored every one of my rebuttals so far..

Care to highlight a few points from the video so I don't waste another hour of my life?
 
rickolasnice said:
Care to highlight a few points from the video so I don't waste another hour of my life?
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Its a bunch of educated architechts and engineers debunking the official story with facts about what is and isnt possible in physics and such...

Fact 1- jet fuel burning doesnt melt steel
Fact 2 - no steel frame building ever before collapsed from fire... That day 3 did... One wasnt even hit by a plane of jet fuel
Fact 3 - melted steel in the basement/rubble
Fact 4 - multible first responders report many explosions
Fact 5 - building 7 falls over 100 feet at freefall speed

Theres a few of the most obvious ones... Any of those you dont like?
 
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