Why Don’t We Just Shoot Condemned Inmates?

slimvictor

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No matter what your stance is on the death penalty, it’s hard to work up much sympathy for the man executed by the state of Missouri this morning. Joseph Paul Franklin was, without exaggeration, a white supremacist serial killer. His preferred targets were Jews, blacks, and anyone connected to interracial couples. During a three-year spree beginning in 1977, he murdered at least seven people, may have killed 15 more, and wounded civil rights leaders Vernon Jordan and Hustler publisher Larry Flynt for good measure. His victims include a father of three leaving a bar mitzvah, and two teenage African American boys.

But the most striking thing about Franklin’s case isn’t why he was killed, but how. He was among the first prisoners in America’s history to be executed by lethal injection using only a single drug—the sedative pentobarbital. Ever since lethal injection was introduced in the 1970s, virtually every state has used a combination of three drugs: one to put the inmate to sleep, the next to paralyze his muscles, and the last to stop his heart. That protocol has come under withering fire in recent years, however, from activists and medical professionals citing a growing body of evidence that indicates the process isn’t always as painless as it looks; in many cases, in fact, the prisoner may remain conscious but paralyzed, unable to scream or thrash, as her heart is slowly squeezed to a stop. One result is that chemical companies have stopped selling those drugs to prisons. Hence Missouri’s switch. (Other states are trying different drugs for their own executions.)

But there’s something absurd about this whole debate. Here’s the thing: We—the American body politic—have decided we are going to commit the ultimate act of violence against condemned inmates. That is, we are going to kill them. And yet, having made that decision, it’s as though we are so conflicted about it that we have to tie ourselves in knots trying to carry out this most heinous of acts nicely. We have phased out hanging, the electric chair, and the gas chamber in an attempt to find a way to kill a man or woman in an inoffensive way. And now we’re trying to find just the right chemical to shoot into a man’s bloodstream to end his life as palatably as possible.

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http://www.psmag.com/navigation/pol...t-condemned-inmates-head-death-penalty-70385/
 
I thought pentobarbital was the drug that was in short supply that pharm cpanies didn't want to give to the us BC they use it for executions.
 
^ you're not wrong.

Not to make light of this, but in all this crazy trouble these states are having in finding the right drugs (or cocktail of drugs) to "humanely" murder - I mean, "execute" people with....isn't it worth considering asking the condemned prisoner what drug they would like to be killed by?

Kind of like a last meal?

I feel like a creep for making a joke about this because I find capital punishment utterly abhorrent....

But anyway, I'd choose LSD.

C'mon you big arbiters of justice and godlike vengeance - lets see how much it takes!
I think you'd be more than prepared for whatever happens once you hit that lethal dose - assuming there is one.
 
There's something illogical in murdering murderers and feeling superior about yourself for it
Absolutely.
I am against the death penalty for the same reasons that the article describes.

....isn't it worth considering asking the condemned prisoner what drug they would like to be killed by?

Kind of like a last meal?

I feel like a creep for making a joke about this because I find capital punishment utterly abhorrent....

But anyway, I'd choose LSD.

Really? That might be really terrifying, I would think. Taking enough LSD to die means more than a thumbprint, of course. It would be so disorienting that I can imagine it being more bizarre than anything Dali painted, but leading to death, it could be so scary...

I am a huge fan of LSD, but to die, I would prefer something like valium - afai understand it, anyway. Wouldn't you just kind of slip into death peacefully?
(Not that I wouldn't want to be on a "normal" dose of LSD when I died - like Huxley. Just that I wouldn't want that to be the drug that killed me.)
 
Call me crazy but who fucking cares if they go through a little pain at the end.

Our society is so whacked sometimes, denies needed pain meds to people who have or form addictions, but worries about if bad shit crazy evil people suffer for a little bit before they are thankfully and permanetly vanquished from this life.

I'm not in favor of the death penalty.. not because I give a rats ass about these people lives or if they hurt a little or a lot at the end.

Sure its scary thinking that an innocent person could get executed. But it comes down to the money we spend and the attention we give to these utterly broke specimens of our species. So if we continue to have the whole appeal process, which is seemingly necessary to ensure they are guilty, then i say lets stop putting people to death because it wastes to much time and money.

Also I feal that life in a little cage is much worse than an execution. What if any argument is there for the death penalty these days anyway. if i remember it doesn't deter crime, costs a fortune, and IMO lets the wackos off easy?
 
Two wrongs don't make a right. Keep the murderers locked up in the deepest dungeon forever, the government has no right to play god...
 
^ this, absolutely.

Slim, I was just thinking ego death --> acceptance --> physical death. Atheists might actually "meet their maker". I don't know; I'm being silly and it's not really a topic to joke about.
I'm sure it doesn't work like that though. Just gimme what Elvis had.

What is a joke is the way they swab the condemned prisoner'a arm before administering the injection.
Taking the fucking piss.
 
If prison was reserved for people who were truly a proven threat to society then imprisoning the several thousand inmates who would have otherwise been executed wouldn't be a drain on societies resources. I'm just thinking about the arguments that say we shouldn't waste money housing and feeding murderers and rapists. Those costs would be negligible if prison wasn't wasted on so many individuals charged with non-violent offenses. Imagine a society where going to prison was basically unheard of since it was such a rare punishment. Hmmm
 
Fuck Serco and the Prison Industrial Complex - and all the creep lawmakers that have created the situation as it stands (especially in America).
We stopped hanging people in Australia in the 1960s - and even though we have some truly dangerous and fucked up people in our prison system; that is where they belong - not on the end of a hangman's noose.
Too many innocent people get convicted of murder (and similar offences) to ever justify the state killing people IMO.
The system here is far from perfect - but the death penalty has never served as a deterant or a just way of dealing with dangerous people.
An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind - Gandhi
 
Inject the fuck heads with Draino for all I care. You kill people you gotta go.
I'd like you to know what makes you better than these murderers then? Sure to stand on the sidelines and say that they have murdered or committed horrible crimes and that's why you don't oppose the death penalty is one thing, but those who actually sentence people to death? Or those who actually have to be the ones to administer the shot?
When did a life for a life become such an accepted thing in some places?
Certainly another human being should have no right to decide who has the right to life or not
 
So, if you're volunteering, ghostandthedarknes, I think you'll need to round up every soldier on the planet who has seen active duty.
They're the easiest to prove - hell, no real trials in the military; wouldn't even need a court-martial.
"You kill people, you got to go".

I'm glad it's you and not me; I have an unfortunate way of seeing the world in shades other than black and white.
But you're doing the world a service - doin' away with all them killers
Bless your valiant heart.

Edit - do we gotta kill you afterwards though? I mean...it puts you in a sticky position doesn't it?
 
Like the Taliban and China - in big public ceremonies, for religious non-adherence and shit.
Now you're talking!
And, like - they won't care cos they're dead.
 
@ holytoast. I don't kill people that's what makes me different. Did they have any mercy on their victims? That's what makes it right.
 
I agree it is perfectly logical to kill people for killing people; we should do it right in the cell next to the other prisoners. Just choke them out and boot stomp their heads in.
 
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