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What is the biggest potential drug-related harm for Australian users?

Our drug laws aren't scientific or researched based. We basically import them from the US, where the "war on drugs" has more purpose than it does here. There it supports a huge security industry and social control in a number of ways. Its complicated but you can read about it.

Heroin in Australia was OTC until the US put us straight in 1953 (had to do with wars and such in South East Asia); there were no reported OD's in the 10 years before it was made illegal.

We do not have the same income disparities of the US yet so the small time user isn't really persecuted, certainly not faced with your entire life in prison as with their 3 strikes laws. LE simply does not know what to do here - or why is more to the point. Not yet. Advanced countries not as tied to the US have more inventive ways of trying to solve any problems.

We don't really know what legalisation would look like, but here and more so in the US, from where we import our laws, for the privileged few at the top, all drugs are essentially legal, free, pure and abundant. That is simply because money is no object and the chance of having their doors kicked in for smoking a spliff or snorting a line is non-existent. Still, apart from a few OD's (Hoffman springs to mind as do the tributes for a dead junky) the affluent still choose not to take them at harmful levels, because of education, not directed just education in general. They also smoke less, eat less red meat, chocolate cake etc, not through criminalisation but general education.

Drug laws are designed to cause harm and control the dangerous population (that is the general population, who if not kept in ignorance and fear might threaten the position of the elite) but in the US and their "spheres of influence" where wars must be financed and people controlled it matters. Here we just follow on without really knowing how it is of a benefit to us.
 
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shite like this and thinking its good

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^ is it adulterated or PMA or something? What's wrong with people using crystal MDMA?
 
whats all the colour, someone along the line added brown/black food die?
 
^ cunts.
If they'd been drinking carcinogenic, highly taxed, disinhibiting fermented sugar drink, they would've been all legit.

We live in a stupid, corrupt society IMO.
 
The article that opi8 has posted a link too is fuuucked. (The link made me laugh though!!) :D
It seems like the police, security guards and whoever else is involved in keeping these festivals safe, are trying to brag that they have caught 48 people (out of thousands I'm sure) and think that they're actually helping out anyone in society. It helps noone. Those people were caught with personal amounts. Big deal!!! Not alot of people take in more than they need to for festivals anyway. How about having a place to test your pills and providing more info about "safe drug use"? I bet there would be more people positively effected by that than the 48 who got caught.

Do they really think that the actions and penalties that the offenders get (like the drug diversion program), will be something to deter people from reoffending, or wanting to take a substance especially at a music festival?!!
Bullshit, no doubt those people would have gone straight back on the hunt and tried to find something else to take. Probably something they know nothing about, from a stranger that they know nothing about.

Congratulations policemen and all the others involved!! You've successfully wasted a few festival patrons money and time along with yours, and with no benefit to either party. I cant see how you've reduced harm in anyway.
 
It takes a long dedicated stretch to become an alcoholic compared to opiates or amphetamines.

One of my mate's Dad caught us drinking up on a school day, sat us down and talked about how he's used everything and the drink was the one thing he couldn't shake and ended up costing him the most. I don't know the stats (I'm going to have a search for some studies after this) but out of my friends/acquaintances, there's a fairly large number of alcoholics.

I don't really see it as different to any other drug. Vast majority of people handle it fine, then there's a certain percentage of people who don't. Since it's more common it's easier to notice the negatives or be affected by them. 'benign' is not a word I'd use.

I know One Thousand Words (can't remember old username/obviously same dude) rubs lots of people here up the wrong way but there's some value in it even if you furiously disagree with everything he/she says. It's good to have opinions that are out of sync with the majority - also really important to keep questioning... I used to be all about 'legalize everything because an adult should be able to decide what to put in their bodies', and I STILL believe that in principle, but there's lots of grey rather than black and white...seems like it's almost always somewhere in the middle rather than the extremes. (pretty stoned right now, unsure if I made the point I was trying to say :\
 
Yeah, I agree. I don't think we should be forcing 10 or 13 year olds syringes full of heroin, like Busty says. I also don't think that addicts deserve to be treated the way they are. IF they are going on a maintenance program, they should be given maintenance on the drug that ails them. Would you give an alcoholic coffee for alcoholism? Not quite the same thing, but methadone/buprenorphine is not heroin, even though the media says it is.

I feel strongly about this particular issue because it affects me. If you are going to give an opiate to a person dependant on opiods, why not give them what they really want?

This issue brings a lot of emotions and Christians and Bustins to the fore, but facts are facts. Legal heroin works.
 
Because morons are fucking morons. I am not advocating free heroin for everyone. Nor am I adcovating that everyone try such an addictive and life destroying drug (it destroys lives because it is illegal). I am saying a lot of things that people who don't understand opiods will never understand. It is the best physical and mental pain killer in existence. The withdrawals are enough to seriously contemplate suicide. In fact, going without is enough to seriously contemplate suicide for many of us users. It's an emotional topic for me and I will never be swayed, even if I somehow manage to kick this habit. I would like to, but I would rather live a life that I can bare, addicted to drugs, than live a life where I would rather kill myself every day because I don't have access to it.
 
This issue brings a lot of emotions and Christians and Bustins to the fore, but facts are facts. Legal heroin works.



Yeah can understand how much these issues matter for some people. If it were my choice I'd give you legal heroin opi8 ;) My only concerns are about how it would all work, because meth/bupe is so easy to get on - the criteria for patients and structure of the program would need to be the same as they have done elsewhere in trials IMO. Should people that need it get it? Absolutely.
 
Thanks Christ. I'd like that.

Hey, I'm not trying to shit in anyone's shoebox, I am just giving a point of view that not many people would understand unless they've either been there, or seen someone they love go through it.
 
I've seen booze destroy more lives than amphetamine and heroin/opiates combined.
Just my personal observation, but it's what I've seen with my own two eyes.
Ain't touched a drink since '09.
 
I am an alcoholic only because of laws to keep me away from heroin. To those who don't know me, which is everyone on here, please try and understand that opiods are a lot better than alcohol.

Congrats spacejunk. I am not as strong as you, I wish I was but I am not. I do appreciate your words though. Peace.
 
Likewise brother, you've shared some really valuable information here over the years.
 
I sometimes wonder if the politicians/lawmakers/police/alan jones's etc of this world were the gawky, studious, timid mummy's boys/girls at school. Whilst they have followed and achieved their life goals and attained positions of power, they aren't truly happy and, as compensation, seek retribution against us for our frivolous, hedonistic, but often euphoric, approach to life which, secretly, they envy.

(Excuse my ramblings, it was a long weekend - feel free to delete - it probably doesn't belong here anyway.) :|
 
^ Alan Jones is allegedly a homophobic closet case.
So....you may have a point there!
Other cases
London incident
On 6 December 1988, Jones was arrested in an underground public toilet on Broadwick Street in the Soho area of London. He was taken to the Mayfair police station and charged with 'outraging public decency' and 'committing an indecent act'. Jones' friends rushed to his support, and when the case was heard in the Marlborough Street Magistrates' Court the next day The Crown withdrew the more serious charge, with Jones pleading not guilty to the lesser charge of committing an indecent act. The authorities ultimately did not present any evidence to support either charge, and the second charge was also later dropped, with Jones' lawyers winning ₤70 in costs. Jones read a prepared statement when he first appeared back on his radio show on 16 January 1989, saying "I am and always was innocent of the charges levelled against me".[4][60] Jones has avoided talking about the incident ever since, although it is frequently raised by his opponents or those looking to highlight alleged hypocrisy in his comments.[10][23][61]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Jones_(radio_broadcaster)
 
I am an alcoholic only because of laws to keep me away from heroin. To those who don't know me, which is everyone on here, please try and understand that opiods are a lot better than alcohol

A heroin fuelled wedding would be the most boring and depressing party ever.
 
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