EADD: New (and less new) RCs - steric hindrance and vestigial rituals

[Bearlove]

OTC - Thai blues , some random 'UK' vodka.

 

[Inflorescence]

OTC - Thai blues , some random 'UK' vodka.

Bear you have truly worried me 'UK' vodka? That sounds like an accident waiting to happen. You gotta get the Russian standard at the least and the Grey goose when you can afford it. Last time I had a bottle of Glenns? Vodka my nose went red and I was terribly sick. Better off with meths

Tempted to do a big parachute of the fourfa but have Doc appointment later and still feeling pretty good from last nights load (even after a couple hours sleep). I implore you rethink that vodka..strip the porcelain and disinfect toilet with it and go get something nicer.

 

[Transform]

100mg of 6-APDB seems like plenty to me. Tolerance?

 

[Munroe]

Got the buytrfentanyl smoking technique nailed. Though I wouldn't really class it as an RC it does the job perfectly.Unsurprisingly blows o-DT out of the water, it's been available for a while I've not really seen it for sale in many places.

Hopefully it'll stay that way, I imagine there would be awful consequences if it became more widely available.
I suppose it's illegality in the UK (& US analogue act??) should do some good in stopping that.

 

[SilentRoller]

100mg of 6-APDB seems like plenty to me. Tolerance?

Well, I have an MDMA tolerance in that I take about 200mg as a starting dose to get me spangled. However, what was strange about the APDB experience is that it never really went anywhere (no gurning, slight tactile enhancement etc), and after 3 hours, I was at baseline. Does this indicate an underdose? Perhaps my scales were off.....

 

[Shambles]

That doesn't really sound like 6-APDB at all, frankly. It lasts quite a bit longer than 3h even at low dose. Obviously we can't discuss specifics but was it from a properly reputable vendor? There's a lotta scammers out there. The effects you describe sound much more like some random cathinone to me. 100mg is plenty even for a tolerant person. Maybe not in terms of being absolutely wasted but certainly very noticeable - and for some would be too much. Definitely not "underdosed" to the extent you describe no matter how tolerant a person is.

Im guessing its not a drug to attempt to hole off as iv read on other forums that your bloop pressure shoots way up and the dose curve is a quite weird.

You guess correctly. Not one for high-dose experimentation. Dose:response curve is rather odd and there have been reports of hospitilasations from largeish doses (I recall 400mg being mentioned but don't recall if that was a one-off dose or over an evening, either way tread careful).

I would imagine that the vendors get the weight pretty much bang on

Don't be, virtually every time I've weighed the contents of a baggie it's differed from the stated weight. For example, I bought 100mg of diclazepam powder last week and it actually contained ~120mg. That's 20% over. Not complaining but if I'd assumed it was 100mg I'd've been taking rather a lot more than I realised. Always weigh the contents. Every single time.

 

[SilentRoller]

@Shambles: I'm almost certain I got my 6-APDB from where you would of got yours Shambles. The vendor is very reputable and is used by many in the RC scene (that's all I can really say on the matter - not really sure if I'm allowed to PM you either. Probably not). The APDB was a slightly cream and almost clumpy powder that almost stuck to itself. Either I took a heroic underdose (like 40-50mg) or something, as by about 3 hours, my pupils were back to normal and I fell alseep without much issue.

Interestingly, my friend who did the same amount as me, his pupils were spannered for about 6 hours, although we both reported feeling quite stoney during the experience. I'm somewhat tempted to give this another bash in 3-4 weeks, and hoof 200mg and see what happens. My friend vomited a few times on the come-up, and stated that he felt quite hot etc. We both then started feeling good, but its almost like I was on the verge of something amazing, but it never really progressed.

 

[Shambles]

Hmm... odd that your friend reacted so differently - and quite intensely it sounds regards puking and stuff, 6-APDB is known for a rough come-up sometimes. It's always possible that we're in YMMV territory as I have heard of people who need waaaaaaaaaaaaaay more than the average dose simply to get the average effect. Given the reaction wasn't adverse so much as disappointing I'd go with upping the dose next time. Incidentally, you used the word "hoof" which generally refers to snorting, if you're snorting it you're doing yourself a disservice as it's far less effective snorted than taken orally (or rectally). It's definitely one for oral (or rectal) dosing - not for snorting.

 

[SilentRoller]

That's what I thought, as my mate came up like an absolute train (I came up quite hard - had to hold it together) and it started to feel like a really strong MDMA pill experience. Then just as shit started getting good, it left me right on the edge. My friend was sick about 4-5 times and complained (as did myself) about getting rather hot. And yeah, the "hoofing" was used as a turn of phrase rather than my preferred method, I took my dosage orally. In about 3-4 weeks, I'll drop a 200mg oral dose and see what happens (either I'll overheat and die or I'll roll face).

I'm thinking of taking some travel sickness tabs before I drop 200mg though, as whilst I wasn't sick (and I never have been on MD for that matter), I feel nausea may be a problem with 200mg+.

On the plus side, I had no comedown from my experience at all, and it was nice to be able to sleep and not have some horrible mid-week blues.

 

[Shambles]

FWIW, I think doubling up the dose may be pushing it a bit. As long as you're not allergic, or at risk from interactions it "should" be safe but it's also a helluva dose of 6-APDB. Particularly as you only have the one prior experience at half that level. I understand that disappointment is a bitch but I'd personally recommend going with something nearer the 150mg mark. It certainly is a warming experience but 'overheating' doesn't sound good. I'm not aware of any bad batches of 6-APDB but the effects both you and your friend describe sound a bit off to me. Then again, it is one of those drugs where one person will be annihilated off 75mg and the next will find 250mg to be meh. Strange stuff and does seem to be very deep in YMMV territory. Find your dose and it's uberlushy stuff, underdose and be deeply underwhelmed, "overdose" and be deeply overwhelmed. It's pretty intense at high dose (as in high relative to a person's "average" dose). Doesn't appear to be a batch thing either - really does seem to be a pure YMMV issue. Just one at the more extreme end of the YMMV spectrum for some reason.

 

[Transform]

I would definitely mark your experience as anomalous and not push the dose much more, even with the same batch. What were your stomach contents like at the time of dosing?

 

[SilentRoller]

You're most definitely right Shambles, although as a person who loves intense MDMA experiences (not proud to say it, but a night of MDMA usually involves 400mg when I do it ), would an intense APDB experience be much different? Obviously in the spirit of harm reduction, I'm not trying to justify dropping 200mg at once smart, but I felt a bit disappointed last time, and whilst I will start with 150mg, there is nothing worse than playing catch up with an experience. Safety comes first though obviously.

In regards to stomach contents, I had eaten about 3 hours before, and I actually ate a banana whilst waiting to come-up Perhaps I'm just a massive hard head with empathogens.

 

[Shambles]

(not proud to say it, but a night of MDMA usually involves 400mg when I do it )

A night on the MDMA has usually meant 1g but I still don't feel the need to push individual 6-APDB doses too far. It has a somewhat strange dose:response curve in that past a certain point it becomes a full-on psychedelic rather than a straight-up MDMAesque entactogen. As I said, 200mg is within the standard range of doses but it is right up at the far end. If you're used to strong MDMA experiences I'm sure you'd handle it okay but then again I've known people who bosh "superpills" like smarties who seriously regretted going for 250mg as initial 6-APDB dose based on it being roughly equivalent to MDMA (ie expecting it to be weaker than double-dropping uberstrong pills - it wasn't weaker, they were annihilated and didn't enjoy the experience at all).

I'd perhaps leave a longer gap after eating as stomach contents seem to seriously effect 6-APDB. Whenever I've taken it with anything left in my stomach it's been deeply disappointing - doesn't ever seem to fully come-up, never really goes anywhere. Admittedly it still lasts longer than 3h which does seem especially odd.

It's up to you, of course, but my suspicion is that perhaps it could've been down to that innocent lil 'nana not allowing it to be absorbed quick enough for it to work properly. Seems a bit tetchy does 6-APDB. I'd go for an empty stomach and maybe 150mg. That should be a pretty strong experience. You can always go for 200mg another time if you really are just naturally a bit hardheaded with the stuff. It's worth getting right cos it's lushy as all fukkery at the right dose, but overdoing it is just plain nasty. I've not overdone it myself but have spoken to people that have - including one whilst in the midst of it - and it doesn't sound like any kinda fun at all.

 

[SilentRoller]

I guess 150mgish is a sensible dosage then! I shall heed your advice and go with that! Out of interest, what happens when you over-do APDB? You say you observed someone who was in the midst of it - is it like MDMA where you get terrible restless legs and sweat like mad, or is APDB far more unpleasant than that? I remember overdoing it on MDMA once, and I was tripping so hard, I remember closing my eyes and being in an alternate world, talking to people who weren't there whilst shaking and sweating uncontrollably....

 

[Mental Kenny]

With 6-APDB I started at like 127mgs or something, then redosed another 60mgs a couple of hours later, my mates both did 110 and 120, both were fucked, but not too much, had to say though that we started the sesh saturday afternoon and by sunday afternoon the whole gram was gone, mostly boshed my me.

It seems it affects people in a different manner, however if I were to repeat the experience I'd do a 150mg initial dose, followed by another 60/70 a couple of hours later, it's not too strong by weight.

Last time I did MDMA I did a single 300mgs bomb, all in one go and had the best MD experience I've had in years so I guess those serotonin receptors had been taking a proper bashing the past few years.

But even my most naive friends still weren't that fucked up after 120mgs, so I guess 100mgs might be an underdose

True about the increased psychedelia, at some point I was wearing one of those airplane masks and had the coolest most intense visuals I've had in a while, also I mentioned in another thread, we were sitting on my friend's balcony and his cat was cuddling on me and it looked like he had sparkles on his fur. Amazing

 

[HouseFever]

Is 6-apdb lovey dovey if you know what I mean?

 

[Swarm]

mate I was a nutter on pills and mdma. at my worst I'd do a gram off mand with about ten pills on top.

much preferred the nights when I kept things civil. stay in with a few mates and drop around 250 through the course of the night.

 

[Mental Kenny]

Is 6-apdb lovey dovey if you know what I mean?

Didn't find it too lovey-dovey, but I was on AH-7921 and benzos when I tried it and they tend to make me a bit anti-social.

My mates didn't seem to loved up either, definately less than with MD or even 4-HO-MET, which for me is the second most loved up drug after MD

 

[bummer]

^ holy fuck
Think my max at a rave was 8 pills and malteaser sized lump of base.
I shudder to think about it now... but 10 + a g of MD... thats just wrong dude !

mate I was a nutter on pills and mdma. at my worst I'd do a gram off mand with about ten pills on top.

much preferred the nights when I kept things civil. stay in with a few mates and drop around 250 through the course of the night.

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