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Extreme 4-aco-dmt sensitivity

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So me and a friend decided to do some 4-aco-dmt fumurate, of the same batch I have done numerous times, and I have her approximately 25mg, and I myself took 35-40mg, dosed orally. These are doses I am very comfortable with. Within 15 minutes she begins tripping and as of now (+45 minutes) she says she can hardly see in front of her. She is experienced with psychedelics so she isn't freaking out or anything but has anyone seen such extreme sensitivity to 4-aco-dmt? For LSD she requires about 3/4 of a normal dose and she can keep up with me when we do mushrooms, so it's very strange to me that she has such a sensitivity
 
I dont have much experience with 4-aco-dmt but i had a similar experience to you with 2-cp. i took a higher dose than my fiance and she had a much much stronger reaction to it, to the point that she couldnt see anything but visuals.
 
The very first batch of 4-aco-dmt that I ever bought was this degraded brown gunk. The quality was excellent but it looked awful. Well, we were all very new to RC's and after allergy tests we all did 20 mg. One guy in our group had a similar experience to your friend. He said he was having such intense visuals he couldn't even see much else. He described it like smoking dmt for 4 hours. Which he had experience with in the past. To this day it's still a mystery how and why he tripped so hard. I know his dose was the same as everyone else's and since he has no problem with other 4 sub trypts.
 
My friend was fine once he started to come down and actually said the last 2 hours of the trip was one of the most beautiful experiences of his life. It just seemed for some reason that the small oral dose just kicked his ass for some unknown reason. Your friend will be absolutley fine just may require a bit of extra babysitting until the intensity wears off a bit.
 
Yeah, 25mgs is no small dose btw. Although 30mgs is my sweet spot, 25mgs will send me into solid +++ territory with a definate chance for things to go either way. Also, my girlfriend is occasionally overwhelmed with only 15mgs although she is rather sensitive to tryptamines in general. I'm not surprised she had such strong effects from 25mgs tbh, 4-subs seem to be really variable when it comes to dose vs effects for different people. 15-20mgs depending on experience are the doses I give to people who have never taken psilacetin, never higher. There's nothing "extreme" about having a strong trip from such a dose, I would consider my GF extremely sensitive though.
 
I can trip lightly on 5mg of this stuff, with 10mg being a pretty meaty hit... I reckon I'd be pretty wasted on 25mg!
 
That's definitely not extreme sensitivity... I would also be relatively blitzed at 25 mg (of the freebase). I know people who've been real out of it on 16 mg of the fb.
 
Are you on benzo's? I was interested in the post up until i read 25mg... i was expecting something like 5mg. 25mg is not a small dose...

Sometimes I think half the people on this board are closet benzo users. People talk about how they went about a normal day on 40mg 2c-e etc.. I was doing the same thing for years when i was prescribed benzos - I could take big doses of everything thinking it was normal, that is until i finally kicked benzos... then I realized I was wrong lol.. got my ass kicked whenever I went for "medium" doses.
 
3mgs??? For me I find that 8-12 mgs of 4-aco-dmt equals roughly one gram of decent shrooms. I doubt I would even feel 3mgs tbh.
 
Your friend's experience sounds about right for 4-aco-dmt to me. Definitely not extreme sensitivity. Every brain is different, and in my experience many women tend to have higher sensitivity to psychedelics than men in general (maybe due to body weight? idk). Tolerance/cross-tolerance also plays a big role.

BTW over the years I have noticed big variation in potency from batch to batch of 4-aco-dmt and even within a single batch from dose to dose.

Edit to add I just noticed you said "approximately" 25mg. Did you use a scale?
 
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It isn't terribly surprising for individual variance. How long had it been since she had last tripped?

I started at 10 mg fumarate and am comfortable up to 27 mg (in the middle of a consumption cycle). At the moment I would probably go blind on 25 mg.

Maybe, just maybe your friend has more efficient transfer of acetylated compounds across the blood brain barrier. Did she come up quicker/much quicker than you?

I assume she's ok now?

Tom
 
I have found that as I've explored larger doses of "heavy psychedelics" like LSD that it sort of sets the bar or "pushes the envelope" of the psychedelic experience. After experiencing 4-6 hits of strong LSD , honestly 50mg (for me) and even 100mg (for my gf) of 4-aco-dmt fumarate is extremely manageable. We rarely drop anything more than once or twice a month and like to leave 2-4 weeks in between trips. I'm very interested in this subject especially when I read comments from hardcore Bluelighters who have certainly gone farther than I have who still say they can get blasted on 25mg 4-aco-dmt or 15 mg 2C-E?
I am certain that my chemicals are not of poor quality because I buy different batches from different vendors and test them all. So far the only research chem that I showed any sensitivity to has been Allylescaline - 25mg of that kicked my ass (with 30mg 4-aco-dmt). Maybe it's all just personal sensitivity or lack thereof?
 
Well anyone else who has tried it with me has had to do high doses like me, me and my cousin went through about 100mg, I did about 60 and he did 40, and it was his first psychedelic experience. Maybe he is a hardhead like me but I don't believe this stuff is entirely pure.
 
I was able to snag some of that cheap 4-aco-dmt from that certain French Canadian vendor in that sale they had and I must say that I found it to be somewhat different than all the other 4-aco-dmt ever had. It was great! But my usual dosage is around 30mg and last time I took 50mg and had what I considered to be weaker effects than what I was expecting and although I got some just gorgeous visuals they were only during the peak and were very brief and faint. Usually 30mg provides some really awesome visuals for me. It felt exactly like regular 4-aco-dmt but the visuals really seemed unlike my previous trials with it. I'll have try it out again and see what's what.
 
Ballz_Trippington said:
I was able to snag some of that cheap 4-aco-dmt from that certain French Canadian vendor in that sale they had and I must say that I found it to be somewhat different than all the other 4-aco-dmt ever had. It was great! But my usual dosage is around 30mg and last time I took 50mg and had what I considered to be weaker effects than what I was expecting and although I got some just gorgeous visuals they were only during the peak and were very brief and faint. Usually 30mg provides some really awesome visuals for me. It felt exactly like regular 4-aco-dmt but the visuals really seemed unlike my previous trials with it. I'll have try it out again and see what's what.
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Actually though I thought the EXACT same thing!
I liked the visuals so much more than mushrooms or previous 4-aco-dmt I've had.
I found them to be very mushroom like, but more visual with alot more perception change than morphing, along with the such beautifully colourful CEV's.
I absolutely love this stuff, more than mushrooms or 4-aco-dmt I've had in the past, even from the same vendor
 
CaptainKratom said:
3mgs??? For me I find that 8-12 mgs of 4-aco-dmt equals roughly one gram of decent shrooms. I doubt I would even feel 3mgs tbh.
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I used to work in my studio, quite competently, on 6 or 8 Liberty Caps, Psilocybe Semilanceata. I've no idea how much Psilocybin might appear in such a dose but I suspect it to be around 3mg. Definitely enough to feel though barely above threshold.

The thing is, when I started experimenting with 4 subs, I tried to replicate this effect by attempting doses around 2mg or 3mg. I found that only the negative effects became apparent, nausea, light-headedness etc & these lingered for some time. I concluded that I would not be able to replicate the effects of 6 Libertys using any 4 sub tryptamines.

I could definitely feel doses of 2mg or 3mg of 4-aco-dmt, 4-ho-mipt & 4-ho-met though they weren't very pleasant in comparison to a dose of 5mg or more...
 
CaptainKratom said:
3mgs??? For me I find that 8-12 mgs of 4-aco-dmt equals roughly one gram of decent shrooms. I doubt I would even feel 3mgs tbh.
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I have to admit that it's been a long time since I actually weighed out mushrooms, so my idea of "0.75g" might be totally off. But yes, I could very much feel 3mg of 4-aco-dmt (fumarate). I was surprised because I was just doing an allergy test, but it turned out to be a bit of a mild trip. This was right after I received the batch, so perhaps it was really pure, and not degraded at all.
 
Wow you guys are lucky, I'm jealous lol. Why do you guys eyeball mushies though, weight varies quite a bit from shroom to shroom, moreso than I would feel comfortable eyeballing. A cheap 10$ scale will be very beneficial so not only you don't accidently overdose but that you will be able to find your "sweet spot".
 
Holy Toast; I forgot to add that the 4-AcO-DMT I tried was from 250mg purchased June/13, so a different batch (but quite likely from the same vendor). I was using it once a week in amounts ranging from 10.0 - 27.2 mg. I had it stored properly and always allowed it to equilibrate to room temp when removing from storage. September last year I insufflated (sp) my last 24mg after a one week break. The effects were minimal, consisting mostly of light visual patterning and mood elevation, not what I would consider tripping.

I'm confident that it was stored and handled appropriately, and I had nothing on board that could have caused a weaker than expected response. It was just one of those things (and God I hate to say that). Only bit of information is that 7 days prior I had consumed 5g homegrown mushrooms.

I've yet to assess newer batches.

Tom
 
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