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How to learn and become a successful drug addict; advice?

I can tell you some of the dont's:

1. Don't become involved with family. It's really cool that your uncle sells you weed until he tells your dad you've been taking lots of oxycotton... Just better to leave family out of it.

2. Don't loan, front, or otherwise risk your money. You will probably loose it and beat yourself up over not knowing better. Its easy to trust somebody when you want to believe they will be back with the drugs. But from there perspective why would they ever come back?

3. Don't spend money you don't have. Drugs are a luxury. Food, shelter, transportation, that is the shit you need money for and if you can't afford that then don't even worry about the drugs you got bigger problems. Credit will keep a junkie broke for life.

4. Don't miss the forest for the trees. If you find your only thinking about getting high and can't focus on work that's a huge red flag. Your job, your housing, and possibly education have to be on the forefront of your mind.
 
ohshea said:
Oldhippytony please share w us what helped.you quit or become sober
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In short, embracing (i.e., becoming a diligent student of the many spiritual principles embodied in) the twelve steps of recovery. It became a new way of life for me. I could share the details, but I think I'd be hijacking this tread. The OP isn't looking for information on how to quit, he's looking to learn how to use drugs and lead a "successful" life.

After rereading my previous post, I want to stress that at the end of the road, after about 20 years of being a "functioning" addict, I found myself destitute, jobless, entirely exhausted both physically and emotionally, and couldn't fathom another day of living either with or without drugs. In fact, the thought of getting high (not high really, just un-sick) one more day frightened me. Conversely the thought of not getting high also frightened me. I felt as if I were between a rock and a hard place.

So, my point is that while I did take fairly good care of myself when using, at the end of it all, I was one hot mess.
 
oldhippytony said:
I will go out on a limb here and say that it is every addicts dream to able to use drugs excessively and live a successful life … indefinitely. Unfortunately, many of us know that there are really only 4 ultimate life outcomes for true addicts… jails and/or institutions and/or death and/or recovery.

I’m afraid RobotRipping will find that they are not unique in this regard.
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Straight out of the AA big book. Well since you are using again where do you think your heading?

I hate that all or nothing bullshit they push. Its ridiculous.

But hey it works if you work it. Keep coming back.;)
 
^^^^ While I respect the reverence other have for it, I never cared much for the Big Book. Personally I can identify much more closely with the experiences shared in the NA literature. As for where I think I'm headed, I've already answered that. I'm an addict. Ultimately I will die, as a direct result of addiction or not. In the interim, I may find myself once again in recovery, possibly imprisoned (again) or in an institution (again).
 
ah i dunno guys; i have adhd and some pretty bad anxiety disorders which led me to become a drug addict.

Now if i do not take my meds, i actually cannot function but if i abuse my meds, well i fuck my life up. So i have to set rules like a person on pain management.

Got my fucking dex script taken from me because of crazy exgf and i can't do shit now unless i am using other stims. So instead of using d-amp which i don't really like anyway, i've just started selfmedicating again. What's the difference? I was a drug addict with a script before now i just don't have a script.

Where do you draw that line? I guess i mean how can i use drugs recreationally 3x/week or so and not fuck up my life and maintain 1-2 dependencies at the same time lol.

so i'm dependent on etizolam and require a stimulant of some sort (kratom works even) for intellectual work. My field of work is perfectly suited to a stimulant user (not abuser, can't be spun to hell seeing shit cause i could kill myself or someone accidentally) but just enough to be therapeutic. When i am not working, i'm fucked out of my mind on either opiates/stims/dissociatives/psychs.

my field pays extremely well and I am well educated.

does that sound feasible? you know what fucks me over is actual life issues (breaking up with crazy gf, family, social constructs) and stuff like that. The drugs play a small role in comparison. Sure this sounds a bit arrogant, but i'm honestly wondering whether embracing drug addiction and managing it properly is possible.

Like instead of fucking people over to get heroin every day, you just work a job make $200,000 a year and buy shit loads of heroin to avoid heat and live your life? it could work couldn't it? I see people bum money all day to get drugs, they could have just worked 8 hours and bought a lot more drugs instead, so i don't get why hardcore addicts just don't do the opposite and do really well in life to sustain their drug use and instead hit rock bottom? what is it that makes most people go for rock bottom rather than success?
 
RobotRipping said:
you just work a job make $200,000 a year and buy shit loads of heroin to avoid heat and live your life? it could work couldn't it? ... so i don't get why hardcore addicts just don't do the opposite and do really well in life to sustain their drug use and instead hit rock bottom? what is it that makes most people go for rock bottom rather than success?
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Hmmm. Looking back, the reason I went into a detox ward (and then to a rehab and then into recovery) was that I was dead broke, owed thousands (tapped out all my credit), and wasn't going to stick up a bank to get cash to get more heroin. I figured I could buy some time in the hospital. I figured that during my stay there I would surely come up with a plan to get more money to get more drugs. That's not the way it ended up, however. After a few days in detox, I had no plan. The folks running the ward had a plan for me (to go to a 28 day in-patient facility). I had no money or no place to live but I did have Medicaid (publicly funded health insurance) so I opted to go into rehab as it was the least worst option (turned out to be one of the best decisions that was ever made for me). The point of all of this is that if I had more money at the time, I would've continued using heroin.
 
nice posts bros; I appreciate the open minded approach here. Currently i'm a fucking trainwreck of a polydrug addict about to finish my program in electronic engineering (where you cannot be fucked up or you'll do stupid shit) so we'll see how that goes. I'll probably just work for myself fixing peoples tvs and working under the table to fuck the system in whatever small way i can. I basically have a ton of skills that relate to fixing things (not just simple things either); what do i want to do when i get spun? fix things. sounds reasonable :) I'll do that while i hold out for my record deal and rockstar fame. Good day to all you sirs.
 
the most successful drug addicts I know are lawyers and real estate agents that became successful before becoming drug addicts and then stayed healthy and successful and functional after becoming drug users on a regular basis.

health first
(family second)
then Job
then drugs

otherwise it is not sustainable.
 
Find a way to support your habit..... weather it means weekends, or everyday.... you gotta be able to afford it.
Act like a normal person, if you get sick..... learn to cope with it or get on maintenance.
 
JunkieDays said:
Hell, if I COULD sleep without the use of downers.. it would be FAR easier for me to quit using dope.
Being diagnosed as a chronic insomniac doesn't help.
But damn.. I'm completely serious when I say "If I could sleep when W/D'ing, my dope using days would be long gone"
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i feel ya on that insomnia is shit
 
When I read about Philip Hoffman’s death I thought about this thread and how Hoffman’s experience blows up some of the theories on how to be a successful addict.

“Gotta be able to afford it” … Hoffman’s net worth was estimated to be $25 million

“become successful before becoming a drug addict” … Hoffman was purported to be clean for 20 years prior to this most recent relapse. During that time he won the Academy Award for Best Actor, was nominated for an Academy Award on two other occasions, and had numerous other awards for his work in film and theater.

“Don’t run out of drugs” … It was reported that 50 bags of dope, give or take, were found in his apartment at the time he was found dead.

As I stated above, when I lived in Manhattan 30 years ago and had an insatiable heroin habit, I would’ve probably ended up dead if I had access to an unlimited supply of dope. Destitution saved my life. There is much truth to Whosajiggawaa’s comment about suffering being the only way. Pain is the price I always pay for the pure bliss of the dope high. Finding ways to minimize the pain (emotional and physical) might be one practical approach to becoming a “successful” addict.
 
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^I can't even imagine what my tolerance would be if financial restraints didn't hold me back. I do believe I could manage to not OD, but its hard to make that claim when you are not in those shoes. Just figure my style of use keeps me pretty safe from OD. I don't IV, and I am a smaller dose, many times a day type. So usually it builds up towards the end of the day and I only catch a nod at night, cause I'd do a line at 5, then 7, then 9 and it builds up to the point where I am nodding from it. I think thats why I withdraw quick, too, b/c I dose like every 3 hours, so my bodies always expecting a relatively steady level of morphine in it, To the point where I wake up w/d'ing pretty hard after only 9-10 hours from last dose and it takes a dose just to get me well and then another to get where I want.
 
Ahhh etizolam has been the only drug so far that has really gotten me.

Anyway you can still be successful. But be smart about it. If you work/go to school during the week, don't do drugs then. Simply stick to the weekend. I don't think I've gone a single weekend in three years without doing something (not necessarily going crazy lol but *something* even just a benzo or some G or whatever). And I have a pretty awesome job AND I'm taking one course at a time for some certification. Sometimes I feel hungover on Mondays and I drink coffee or something.

But plan your time wisely. I never thought I'd be the type of person to wake up early (mmm who doesn't like sleeping in til 10) but I go to bed at 9 or 9:30 every night during the week, I wake up at 6, I exercise for half an hour, and then I leave for work at 7:30. I usually work like 10 hour days too. I get home, do some schoolwork, work on my second job, etc. Then once Friday at 5 PM (I don't stay late on Fridays usually lol), I take off and party it up :)

Sometimes I'll go out and party on a Friday night, speed or something, and I'll just want to stay up forever. But if I do, I know how I'll feel on Monday. So I force myself to sleep. Willpower? I dunno. I also force myself to eat on the weekends (it's often hard for me to).

It's not good to go crazy every weekend. I mean, we go out like half the weekends. Ah maybe more like two out of three weekends? We try to go out Friday nights so we have more time to recover. The non-partying weekends usually involve substances but it's usually just staying in with my boyfriend or something chill. You really have to have willpower and be able to stick with it. If you notice it becoming a problem? Stop doing so much. Take more time off.

I have missed ONE day of work due to drugs. It's when I had a slight etizolam addiction and I was seriously messed up so I missed a Monday. But I have never taken sick time from work so .... but I knew then that I had to fix that problem!
 
lol OP, have you ever watched the Wire? That show, although showing this theme in just inner city Baltimore, basically details every type of drug addict out there, and why some are successful and why some aren't.

The most successful guys are people like Avon Barksdale who doesn't even use drugs but just makes his money off them...he's healthy as a rule, and he rides with his family. What the fuck else do you need, man?

It's like...you're not bringing drugs with you when you die, are you? So what the fuck is your deal, just do some drugs but don't obsess over it.

There are lots of successful addicts in the world, not to be Captain Obvious. Unless it's weed, which won't kill you, you're going to have to exercise moderation with everything else, fucking end of story. You know you'll get burned otherwise.
 
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