General Heroin Discussion #18 - v. Stupidity ain't no badge of honor

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I tried the whole sub thing and it just doesn't work for me I hate the wa y I feel on subs. I went to the methadone clinic to see if I could get in and they said I have to had gone to a detox within the past year that's fucking bullshit, I wanna try and get clean but I don't wanna have to tell my family I'm doing dope again so I can go to detox. Looks like I'll stick to dope
 
^Yeah well, with you, the reason is because you're 18 years old and you have to have failed previous attempts at treatment to go on methadone....
 
dude, if youre only 18 dont go thinking you have no chance. thats not how you want to think and play this. listen to us who are in our 30's and wish we had the same opportunity you have, man. listen to those of us who failed and continue to fail. listen to those of us who would kill to be 18 again and start fresh. dont go into this thinking there is no chance, because there is always a chance, it all depends on how you view this. addiction can be beat, so dont give up. ive had my fair runs of sobriety but still not fully sober to this day. i just hate seeing young kids like yourself already give it. dont do that, man. youre so young, you have time to kick it on your own and by yourself. you gotta be ready. find the right group of friends or people to chill with. find a different path in life. addiction has come a long way and although its still tough to beat, its becoming more and more accepted and treatable. you can do it, bro. gotta stay positive. take it from me, its fucking miserable knowing you've given away so many fucking thousands of dollars to drugs. you destroyed many relationships, family trust, and much more. i also been to jail, rehabs, psych wards, inpatient spots and more. you dont want this life, man. i dont just say it for fun. i truly believe that you dont want this. so at 18 its time to open your eyes. i was in space when i was 18 and didnt belong to any message boards and never had a single sole tell me what i was setting myself up for.. which is complete failure. not till i was 25/26 i started to realize how bad i have gotten/had it. i wish i had someone yelling at me at an early age. i went away at 21 and only did a few short stints but only met worse connects on the inside. i fucked up and life and continue to do so. although, i dont do any illegal buillshit anymore i still use and still have many negatives in my life. id kill to go back to 18 again and started over. hell, i am even happy i am 32 and still have a chance... a chance that is. only if i am willing to accept and move forward. lets pray for the both of us here.. but damn kid, please play this right.
 
4everyung said:
dude, if youre only 18 dont go thinking you have no chance. thats not how you want to think and play this. listen to us who are in our 30's and wish we had the same opportunity you have, man. listen to those of us who failed and continue to fail. listen to those of us who would kill to be 18 again and start fresh. dont go into this thinking there is no chance, because there is always a chance, it all depends on how you view this. addiction can be beat, so dont give up. ive had my fair runs of sobriety but still not fully sober to this day. i just hate seeing young kids like yourself already give it. dont do that, man. youre so young, you have time to kick it on your own and by yourself. you gotta be ready. find the right group of friends or people to chill with. find a different path in life. addiction has come a long way and although its still tough to beat, its becoming more and more accepted and treatable. you can do it, bro. gotta stay positive. take it from me, its fucking miserable knowing you've given away so many fucking thousands of dollars to drugs. you destroyed many relationships, family trust, and much more. i also been to jail, rehabs, psych wards, inpatient spots and more. you dont want this life, man. i dont just say it for fun. i truly believe that you dont want this. so at 18 its time to open your eyes. i was in space when i was 18 and didnt belong to any message boards and never had a single sole tell me what i was setting myself up for.. which is complete failure. not till i was 25/26 i started to realize how bad i have gotten/had it. i wish i had someone yelling at me at an early age. i went away at 21 and only did a few short stints but only met worse connects on the inside. i fucked up and life and continue to do so. although, i dont do any illegal buillshit anymore i still use and still have many negatives in my life. id kill to go back to 18 again and started over. hell, i am even happy i am 32 and still have a chance... a chance that is. only if i am willing to accept and move forward. lets pray for the both of us here.. but damn kid, please play this right.
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amen brutha...wish I could go back to 18, that's the age I started!!! Still fuckin around now at 45...
 
Being on maintinence ether subs or methadone is way easier then being a full time junkie at least for most of us. Even if it means getting up at 7am on a Sunday and driving 70 miles round trip in a snowstorm. I would have had to drive just as far to get dope anyway after all it was my decision to move out of the city anyway. I am not complaining I actually like driving in the snow and early morning. At least I am not spending next weeks pay check already.

Anyone hear from BostonBrowntown? I hope the best for the dude but all the boasting about how great the subs worked for him and how he could still shoot grams of dope was getting annoying.
 
brutus said:
^ He hasn't been active since he was given an infraction that resulted in a few day ban.
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I didn't realize he got infracted that doesn't suprise me. As long as he didn't die.

Brutus what happened what made you relpapse? It happens man at least you are taking action before you flush your life down the sewer.
 
I always stopped at this convenience store and this that I've know for years asked me if I wanted any hydrocodone. So I started buying hydrocodone and an energy drink every now and then from this guy before heading to college or work. I kept that under control for a few months.

Then I was with a friend when he was copping roxis, like I have done a million times. That time I decided to buy me one. It started out using a roxi once every month, to every week, to daily. Then I started moving on with every other opiate asides from heroin. The heroin guy was a dick to deal with and he would take hours to come through so it was much easier to get anything else instead.

I would throw some money to my friends for going to the hood for me and they would go get whatever I wanted.
 
ahh roxis, winners by default if you ask me. whats up with the generic OCs situation? Thought the patent ran out last year some time and you know Teva is just jizzing themselves to get in on that

save money and get high as you want, sounds too good to be true.

Too good to be true.....almost how I'd describe the pharmaceutical industry in relation to any other form of drug dealing enterprise. And they are drug dealers, there's just a lot more paperwork.
 
Welderman said:
Being on maintinence ether subs or methadone is way easier then being a full time junkie at least for most of us. Even if it means getting up at 7am on a Sunday and driving 70 miles round trip in a snowstorm. I would have had to drive just as far to get dope anyway after all it was my decision to move out of the city anyway. I am not complaining I actually like driving in the snow and early morning. At least I am not spending next weeks pay check already.

Anyone hear from BostonBrowntown? I hope the best for the dude but all the boasting about how great the subs worked for him and how he could still shoot grams of dope was getting annoying.
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Yeah compared to the stress and craziness of actively using.. being on maintenance is a breath of fresh air. I mean, having to travel super far to get to your clinic definitely sucks, but it's still better than using. I'm lucky that where I am there are clinics everywhere very close.
 
Brutus it's crazy how fast a habit creeps up kinda the same way for me but it was harder to get pills then heroin. Then I reached a point to where I could not get enough dope that's when I decided to quit before I od'ed again.

Scags, the clinic is by my work it's only about 1 day a week I don't work and in a month I'll get a Sunday take home so for now it's just a minor inconvenience.
 
brutus said:
It pisses me off to see a pregnant woman on methadone.
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That would probably piss me off too, but from what I learned from lacey, she said that if you're already dependent on opiates when you find out that you are pregnant it's safer to be on a maintenance drug throughout your pregnancy rather than putting your body through withdrawals which could result in complications including miscarriage. She posted a lot on the topic since she went through it, but had a methadone script instead of going to the clinic, and her kid was born without any problems and I believe he was weaned off with her breast milk, but I'm not sure. Having said all of that, I would think that slowly tapering down over the 9 months would be better than staying at a high dose if the woman is on like 100+ mg when she becomes pregnant, and then she could stay at like 10-20mg at the end so the baby didn't have to come off that much when he/she is born.
 
Tommyboy said:
That would probably piss me off too, but from what I learned from lacey, she said that if you're already dependent on opiates when you find out that you are pregnant it's safer to be on a maintenance drug throughout your pregnancy rather than putting your body through withdrawals which could result in complications including miscarriage. She posted a lot on the topic since she went through it, but had a methadone script instead of going to the clinic, and her kid was born without any problems and I believe he was weaned off with her breast milk, but I'm not sure. Having said all of that, I would think that slowly tapering down over the 9 months would be better than staying at a high dose if the woman is on like 100+ mg when she becomes pregnant, and then she could stay at like 10-20mg at the end so the baby didn't have to come off that much when he/she is born.
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Any kind of withdrawal is terrible for the fetus and the mother. And tapering is just a slow withdrawal. Once the baby is born the doctors can taper the baby if necessary. Its a no brainer that it would be better if the mother wasn't physically addicted at the point of conception but once she is methadone maintenance is the best answer. Those women at the clinic are doing the 100 percent responsible thing.
 
^That is true, but it really is aggravating to see a girl who is a junkie get knocked up and probably not think about the complications it would cause and the burden put upon their child form the time it is conceived. Granted things happen, condoms break, birth control is no 100% guarantee, but odds are they were just careless and made a poor, negligent decision at one point that resulted in them getting pregnant. And if they went and tried to get pregnant while physically dependent on opiates (maintenance or not) then that is just an incredibly poor judgement call. Depending on the situation there is a good chance the guy involved made a poor decision, too. Not to put all the burden on the woman because she bears the child, most likely the dude who knocked her up was an addict.
 
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