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Jobseeker's Allowance Megathread ver. We're all overqualified!

My Bro' got a 4 week sanction for missing a WP appt. . Not eligible for hardship fund for 4 weeks from last payment. ( ok that payment is supposed to last a fortnight). Told to apply at local authority/ civic centre for emergency funds ( i think this council fund thing is newish).

Two questions
1= do you know anything about this council money ' thingy'.( it's basically the new crisis loan but done by town hall, i guess). You pay it back, obv.
2= DWP hardship fund , how much do they give you? i'm told it's a % of your usual giro,40% i heard.
Sanctions go from 4 wks 1st offence, 13 wks 2nd, 3 years 3rd

You can get information about how to claim a Short Term Benefit Advancement on this site, hope it helps.
http://www.turn2us.org.uk/informati.../social_fund/short_term_benefit_advances.aspx
STBA's replaced the old crisis loans in April 2013
 
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Totally agree with you both Shambles & Mdb.
The JCP etc never offer up any information about benefits or anything at all really.
If you need to know something you are left to try and find the answers out for yourself.
That site I linked to in my last post is quite handy for finding out benefits information and there are quite a few other good ones about. Thank heavens for the internet as getting info would be a lot harder without it.
 
I'm still waiting to find out if my ESA questionnaire has been received by whoever they are.
And I still feel like I'm not going to be entitled (despite being so via an appeal late last year) even with my GP's letter saying that I'm far from ready to work.

It's true - The people applying have no need to go through all this shit again because not long ago they were told they were not able to work, yet they still try fuck you about and kick you off it regardless :|
I had "21 points" not 5 months ago, now I'll prolly have to appeal again 8(
 
Thanks, MaxAlfie for the link. In London , DWP 'crisis loans' is finished. Now it's a Discretionary Local Crisis Payment administerd by your local authority.

@rickolasnice, good for you^^^. More people need to start taking advantage of all the courses etc , that DWP/JC+/ WP offer . I' ve done the cscs one, waiting for sia security to start ( make sure the £220 badge is paid for) . There are loads of jobs where you need a card/ticket. I always found that most JC+/ WP staff have no idea whats avAilable . I got a £500 PCO licence (London mini cabbie) a few years back thanks to a JobCentre advisor. It was money well spent for GOV'T as it took me of the dole after many, many years claiming ( many years!).
 
ya get vouchers instead of dosh n u cant buy booze wit em

no probs mATE I ONLY POSTED ABOUT budgeting loans 4 X B4 ANY1 GAVE A TOSS YOUR LOSS COS MINE IS IN

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i AM A FUKIN ME, bA dOC, OF THIS SHIT N I AM ON DA http://youtu.be/-RVQeJPAW2U
 
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You shouldn’t be affected by Personal Independence Payment (PIP) until 2015 or later, but there are some exceptions.

You don’t need to do anything now - you’ll get a letter in 2015 or later explaining:

  • what will happen to your Disability Living Allowance (DLA)
  • how you can claim PIP
    You’ll be invited to claim PIP if either:
  • there’s a change in how your condition affects you
  • your DLA is due to end and you haven’t received a renewal letter
This applies if you live in:

  • Wales
  • East Midlands
  • West Midlands
  • East Anglia
This also applies if your postcode begins with:

  • DG (Dumfries and Galloway)
  • EH (Edinburgh)
  • TD (Galashiels)
  • ML (Motherwell)
On 3 February 2014 the scheme will be expanded to include postcodes beginning with:

  • CA (Carlisle)
  • DL (Darlington)
  • HG (Harrogate)
  • LA (Lancaster)
  • YO (York)
 
I willl do it legally this time not that i would break it

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Severe Disablement Allowance

From 6 April 2001 Severe Disablement Allowance (SDA) is no longer available to new claimants, but anyone who was in receipt of SDA at the point of change can continue to get it in the future as long as they satisfy the entitlement conditions. If this applies to you and you want to go to another EEA country and take your SDA with you, get in touch with


UK Contribution Based ESA (Main Phase)

If you have been insured for sickness in the UK only, you may be able to get UK Contribution Based ESA ( Main Phase) anywhere you live or stay in the EEA as long as you satisfy the rules and continue to be unfit for work.
 
Good link that international one Brimz,useful for anyone who travels around for their work.
My keyworker phoned up for my PIP forms for me in the week so will be very interesting to see what it is like.
I'm not sure how much it pays if granted but when I applied for ESA over the phone I was advised to apply for PIP due to the type of treatment I am receiving.
Will see what happens I guess.
 
Dunno if everyone here is aware of this or not but there are certain courses that the job centre will pay for you to go on..

I've got a CSCS (construction) card out of them and an SIA (security) license out of them.. They even gave me £200+ to buy the security badge once i'd completed the security course..

They've also paid for me to buy new boots and a new birth certificate (anything stopping you getting work)..

Just finished the online form to reclaim.. Yay.

Shit I wish i had this sort of attitude towards work

I worked at a construction site at the front at the gate for decent money and didnt even have a CSCS card got given the life guard yellow green dickhead colored jacket and everything.
It depressed the life out of me and I quit after 5 weeks, sitting down for 8-10 hours became unbearably frustrating
 
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The way claimants' benefit needs are dealt with by jobcentres is "haphazard" and prone to missing crucial information about barriers to work, the Government has been told.

A committee of MPs said key performance indicators used by Jobcentre Plus (JCP) should immediately be revised to help people into work, not just off benefits.

The Work and Pensions Committee called for a more thorough initial assessment of a claimant's barriers to employment so that those facing the biggest challenges received the most support.

The committee said there was evidence that JCP staff have referred many claimants for a sanction "inappropriately", with some witnesses questioned by the MPs suggesting that financial hardship caused by sanctioning was a factor in the increase in referrals to food aid.

Dame Anne Begg, Labour MP for Aberdeen South, who chairs the committee, said: "JCP's performance is currently measured primarily by the proportion of claimants leaving benefit by specific points in their claims.

"This takes no account of whether they are leaving benefit to start a job or for less positive reasons, including being sanctioned or simply transferring to another benefit.

"We believe this risks JCP hitting its targets but missing the point. JCP must be very clearly incentivised to get people into work, not just off benefits.

"The processes by which JCP currently establishes claimants' needs are haphazard and prone to missing crucial information about a person's barriers to working, including homelessness and drug dependency. A more thorough and systematic approach to assessing claimants' needs is required."

The MPs called for a review of the sanctions regime and whether it was having the desired effect of encouraging claimants to seek work.

Union officials had told the committee that jobcentre staff were being put under pressure by management to increase sanctioning rates.

Dame Anne added that the Government should be clearer about how it will ensure that jobcentres are adequately resourced.

The Public and Commercial Services union said the Government's "stricter" rules have led to target-like objectives being set for staff to sanction a certain number of claimants, regardless of their behaviour.

"This has often come with the threat of disciplinary action and is unfair on both staff and the people entitled to benefits who they are there to help," said the union.

General secretary Mark Serwotka said: "No-one joined the employment service to be in conflict with the people they are there to help, but this Government is seeking to punish the unemployed, sick and disabled.

"This political pressure is making life intolerable for claimants and staff alike and we fully support the MPs' call for a much wider review of the effect that sanctions are having."

Centrepoint chief executive Seyi Obakin said: "We welcome the Committee's call for a broader, independent review of sanctions and conditionality. A third of the young people Centrepoint supports who claim JSA have been sanctioned in the last six months, leaving vulnerable people with little to live on for weeks and sometimes months.

"In some cases, the circumstances in which young people have been sanctioned suggest that common sense or discretion has failed to be applied by Jobcentre Plus, so we agree it is high time for a review of practices on the ground.

"We also welcome the Committee's recommendation that Jobcentres focus on a more personalised approach where the aim of sustainable employment takes precedence over simply reducing the number of benefit claimants."

A DWP spokesperson said: "The report recognises that Jobcentre Plus responds well to changes and is cost effective.

"Every day Jobcentre advisers are successfully helping people realise their aspiration to move off benefits and into work so they can secure their future.

"There has been a faster than forecasted fall in unemployment, which suggests that people are being encouraged to look for work more intensely than in the past, and the changes introduced to sanctions are working as intended."
 
"There has been a faster than forecasted fall in unemployment, which suggests that people are being encouraged to look for work more intensely than in the past, and the changes introduced to sanctions are working as intended."

Was this in The Daily Mail by any chance ?

I think the fall in unemployment has taken everyone by surprise and is just to do with the economy picking up. It has fuck all to do with any job centre sanctions. They can sanction as much as they like but if there arent enough jobs to go round then it wont make a blind bit of difference to anyone, except the unfortunate person who's been sanctioned is going to be up shit creek. People that are getting sanctioned are likely to be a bit disorganised or chaotic IME, i was when i missed some appointments. Sanctions do not help anyone. They just save the government a few quid in the short term, but they are likely to set back the job seeker in a big way, making his/her return to work even more difficult. And so they will need to be paid JSA for longer. And the policy backfires.

Sanctions arent going to help anyone to get a job, if they cant afford to eat and heat properly, get a hair cut, smart clothes, new tie etc. You're supposed to buy a suit for interviews, but FUCK THAT. Im not buying a suit im only going to wear maybe 4 or 5 times until an interview finally pays off. You can get cheap suits, but that would look like a cheap suit, so it defeats the whole purpose. :!
 
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^ I do believe you can actually get a grant (or perhaps a loan, I forget) from the DSP to buy a suit, smart shoes - even get a haircut, I think. Has to be for job interviews obviously - can't just go in and ask for a tenner for a trim once a month.

Isn't the point the article is making that the unemployment figures are unreliable because the Job Centre are skewing the figures by either sanctioning people or moving them on to other benefits like ESA? I don't think the unemployment figures measure much of anything really. Certainly not in the way they are used anyway. If the Job Centre here in town say they've got ten people off their books that goes does as ten people no longer unemployed but it doesn't say anything about whether they stopped claiming JSA because they got a job, got shifted to ESA (or DLA or whatever) or just got sanctioned (whether for legitimate reasons (if sanctions can be said to have any legitimate reasons) or not). Just says those ten people didn't sign on that week is all really.

I was at the advice centre yesterday and they're run off their feet trying to clean up DSP messes. When they first started a food bank here I qualified for it, a month later and I wasn't even close to qualifying cos there are so many people getting literally nothing. Often for months at a stretch. It's a disgrace in this day and age to have to have food handouts to the destitute. Especially when it's through no fault of their own which is often the case. I feel very fortunate to "only" be having rather a lot of deductions (my own fault for not paying bills for the most part - with two notable exceptions which were entirely caused by the DSP (they even admitted to it and apologised but will they pay it back? Pfft.) but I do at least get something. Even in a small (tiny) town like this there are people existing with no income whatsoever because of all this sanctioning bizniz. They are a bit overzealous with their sanctionstick from all I hear. Presumably cos they know their job is on the line and they know how it works and have no intention of being the sanctioned one.

Gotta <3 a Tory government :|
 
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