Your Genetic Gifts?

Serotonin101 said:
I didnt want to derail the other thread too much so I'll post it here.

What are your physical genetic gifts? Got great arms? Thick wide back? What do you do with your weaknesses to compensate? Large waist so train shoulders and legs to overshadow it? Share your secrets so we can all grow: physically and intellectually.

As I shared in the other thread, I have a smaller bone structure and stature with very trainable shoulders and legs. Gives me a very nice tapered torso and makes my waist appear even smaller.
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I have a huge cock.

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The funny part of that is that my last cell mate was a Mandingo Warrior. We were cellies for a whole year.

But if I have a huge ass hole, it's because I'm always fucking myself.
Play on words ;)
 
LOL that is just too funny. Strange how things play out eh. When I was still in the service one of my friends in Intel, was working with the MPs over the wide spread appearance of gangs in the service we were beginning to see a shit load of them. He has the odious job of having to record Tattoos, and compare them with Gang intel units in the law enforcement world and prison officials, I remember hearing about the Mandingos, thought the name was funny at the time, it baffled me that even now that they know the tattoos are being tracked they still get ink along gang lines. Makes no sense, think they would drop the flags so to speak. But I digress, I have seen soem crazy goo dink done in with MacGyvered machines.
 
Man, my arms put on like 1.5 to 2 in the first 3 weeks of me working out.

To this day, I am ridiculously disproportionate.
 
Shitty, could be worse. I have two spots that are off an dit chaps my arse to no end. Ever since the knee replacement my left leg the calf and thigh is like 1 smaller then my right. And I train the left one solo, it is getting better but still ugh annoying. The other spot is not a muscle thing but if I don't shave my back like every few days the right side below my shoulder blade, grows this patch of hair like thick ass Alec Baldwin style chest hair on that one part of my back. Pisses me off some thing fierce, I am going to invest in some laser hair removal, goes fro my chest as well, its so spotty from scars that the hair growth looks like a shaggy mange ridden animal.
 
I have a worse abnormality... My left calf is shorter than the right one. The muscle itself is actually shorter / the tendon is longer. That has nothing to do with size... So I can't fix it with training (I think)
 
I have 19.5 inch arms natural at about 12% body fat. I have recently started taking pro hormones/steroids after 25years plus natural so i will see what assistance AAS will bring.
 
flyhighk said:
Most likely pharmacology. I have a huge interest in drugs (that's why I'm on bl) and I'd love to work in the drug field. I'm also interested in psychiatry and endocrinology. I don't wanna spend a dozen years in college though.
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I went for pharmacology because I enjoyed chemistry--problem was it kicked my ass and i had to switch majors :p Its funny because everyone says people change their majors several times and rarely does anyone graduate with their original, intended major. So true.
 
lol I am an oddity I guess then I went for a double major from the start and finished with the same two, Anthropology and Theology. I graduated Summa Cum Laude from Cornell and I am currently working on grad school at UPenn. But most people do change majors my little sister changed some thing like 4 -5 separate times.

@ Novice74 : What are you running or planning to run mate? One of the great things about this forum we have a bunch of guys with a lot of experience, so if you want any one to take a peak at what you are or are intending to run fire it off. Plus I just like to see what people are running, always interesting to see what peoples first cycle is like especially after that long of a run as a natural.
 
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Shitty, could be worse. I have two spots that are off an dit chaps my arse to no end. Ever since the knee replacement my left leg the calf and thigh is like 1 smaller then my right. And I train the left one solo, it is getting better but still ugh annoying. The other spot is not a muscle thing but if I don't shave my back like every few days the right side below my shoulder blade, grows this patch of hair like thick ass Alec Baldwin style chest hair on that one part of my back. Pisses me off some thing fierce, I am going to invest in some laser hair removal, goes fro my chest as well, its so spotty from scars that the hair growth looks like a shaggy mange ridden animal.
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Omg, that's awful!
I saw a lot of guys in prison that had the single patch below their right shoulder blade.
I'd always turn to my homeboy and say "Dude, why is that single patch of hair in the same spot on every guy that has it?"

Nah, I don't think that your disproportions are that bad. We all give those dudes that don't work out their legs hell, but really...most people don't give a fuck how your legs look. They want Chest, arms shoulders, abs. I've come up with the opinion that if you have a six pack and a big chest...and that's it....that girl's will still fuind you sexy as fuck. Even without big arms or shoulders. Hell, I base that opinion off of SEEING it happening. My problem is that my arms are so big, and my shoulders are too, but my chest suffers from my shoulders taking over on pressing. it's VERY hard to get it to grow at all. I've only seen slight improvement since using AAS. And I swear, it's not for lack of trying to isolate and use it correctly. To be honest, I don't even like taking my shirt off.....but when I have it on...I turn heads all of the time.
 
True,It could always bee worse. LOL you know that sounds about right for women, Abs, Chest, Shoulders and ass. They are not that different from us we like Chest, abs, ass and legs. For different reason, but the basic areas are there.
 
Neoprimitive said:
lol I am an oddity I guess then I went for a double major from the start and finished with the same two, Anthropology and Theology. I graduated Summa Cum Laude from Cornell and I am currently working on grad school at UPenn. But most people do change majors my little sister changed some thing like 4 -5 separate times.

@ Novice74 : What are you running or planning to run mate? One of the great things about this forum we have a bunch of guys with a lot of experience, so if you want any one to take a peak at what you are or are intending to run fire it off. Plus I just like to see what people are running, always interesting to see what peoples first cycle is like especially after that long of a run as a natural.
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age: 40
Height: 6ft
Weight: 18stone
Training: 26 years
BF 12% (do seem to carry water)
Reason taking AAS: Curiosity what AAS assistance could do because still not happy with physique after quarter of a decade.


Stack

Epi 40/40/50/50/60/60
Tren pro hormone(converts to tren) 60/60/60/70/70/80
#Mistake# No Testosterone
On cycle support(milk thistle, liv 52. Hawthorn berry e.t.c)
Vitamin e: 400iu
Angus Castus: 2g
P5P: 100mg
Maca Root: 2g
Cabergoline(if needed)
Omega 3 (2g EPA 1.5g dha)
Salvia Miltiorrhiza(lipid support)


Pct

Nolva
DAA
Creatine
Beta Alanine
Agmatine

Currently on week 4 gained around 5kgs even tho on a slight cut


Side effects noticed:

Dry joints
Extreme lethargy on some days
Back pumps
Hypoglycemia attacks
Libido ok but not at peak
 
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Taurine will help with the back pumps. You should add some clomid to your PCT, I would at least. The tren converts to Dienolone not Trenbolone, little FYI, still rough stuff. The lethargy and libido issues would have been cleared up with, Test. I would not bother with the caber, it is really not needed, there is a thread on here about it that lays out the whole issue around caber and the prolactin issue. Blood sugar could be an issue for a number of reasons, but the compounds your taking horde glycogen, could be an issue with diet as well not just the compounds.

Yeah to be honest you would have been better off with a basic 500mg test / week fro 10-12 weeks cycle. Over all felt better and the gains would have been quality, gains as long as diet was kosher. There is a sticky on the forum on your first cycle, has some solid advice on setting up an easy first cycle,as well as some advice on general diet while on cycle. My advice run the cycle out, take 8-19 weeks off, then run a test cycle. 12% is the upper part of where you should be at fro running a cycle. The less over all body fat the better the gains will appear,( obviously) as well as less of a chance of adding fat due to the higher rate of conversion of test by adipose tissue to estradiol. So yeah I hope that helps, as long as your pct is on point and you keep at the gym you should be able to keep most of what you gained, most of that is dependent on diet and training after cycle.
 
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Taurine will help with the back pumps. You should add some clomid to your PCT, I would at least. The tren converts to Dienolone not Trenbolone, little FYI, still rough stuff. The lethargy and libido issues would have been cleared up with, Test. I would not bother with the caber, it is really not needed, there is a thread on here about it that lays out the whole issue around caber and the prolactin issue. Blood sugar could be an issue for a number of reasons, but the compounds your taking horde glycogen, could be an issue with diet as well not just the compounds.

Yeah to be honest you would have been better off with a basic 500mg test / week fro 10-12 weeks cycle. Over all felt better and the gains would have been quality, gains as long as diet was kosher. There is a sticky on the forum on your first cycle, has some solid advice on setting up an easy first cycle,as well as some advice on general diet while on cycle. My advice run the cycle out, take 8-19 weeks off, then run a test cycle. 12% is the upper part of where you should be at fro running a cycle. The less over all body fat the better the gains will appear,( obviously) as well as less of a chance of adding fat due to the higher rate of conversion of test by adipose tissue to estradiol. So yeah I hope that helps, as long as your pct is on point and you keep at the gym you should be able to keep most of what you gained, most of that is dependent on diet and training after cycle.
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Thank you for your advice, i will pick up some clomid. Would you combine the Clomid and the Nolva for my PCT or just the Clomid? It states that the Tren converts to Trenbolone rather than Dienolone. I was under the impression that estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione (Tren) converted to Tren not Dien is that not the case? I will read the article on Cabergoline, i thought its always best to have the Caber on hand just in case but i wont use it if its not needed.

I dont think the blood sugar is diet related unless your saying i needed to up my Carb intake, these Hypoglecemic attacks occur randomly, i have read elsewhere that Tren can cause issues with blood sugar control. Are you saying that if your 12% body fat or more then you shouldnt be running AAS cycle? Doesnt it depend on your goals? Many of these power lifters dont look like 12% body fat but im sure they have definitely run a cycle or 2. In my case i have a great foundation, i have a good physique it needs polishing. Thats why i chose epi and tren, im not really after Size, im not one of these athletes who want to get as big as they can, im probably as big as i want to be, im just looking to add a bit more strength and definition to my physique.

Forgot to add my Blood Pressure reading it usually between 95/50 to about 115/75 depending on what time of day i take the reading but 1st thing in the morning is the lower of the readings
 
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Yeah it is the ph your suing, but it is because your carb intake is down most of the tren ph convert t dienolone, don't get me wrong it is still effective just not what you think it is, the conversion to real tren is really small. Word of advise tren is best used when your lower in body fat any way, the thought that a given compound is used to say drop weight is really sort of backward thinking. All ass can be used to cut or bulk , it is largely dependent of diet and training as to what you are attempting to do. Tren is really harsh, and is really reserved fro more advanced use, it is like using a sledge hammer to hang a picture. Goals will effect how you train and diet, and then your AAS selection, but the goal to cut, isn't in lock step with the selection of compound. But rather in lock step with the amount of calories in vs calories out, and the type of training plan you implement. A solid Test only, cycle especially for your first cycle, with a lower calorie diet and higher volume higher intensity training regimen will yield a better over all result in leaning you out then these specific pro-hormones; with the added bonus of having a way easier side-effect profile. If your having blood pressure issues, it is one of the reasons we say to get a lower BF% less stress on the heart, not to mention the compounds you chose can be harsh at high dosages. Think of using AAS as a long game scenario, you don't go for the high end compounds, at high dosages first, but rather later in the game when you are reaching well beyond your natural limits. To lower your body weight, and get more defined, and add a little strength all comes down to diet. Lower your calorie intake, increase the volume and intensity of training, up your cardio ( intensity and volume if possible). Once you drop some weight, work on the strength. I was in a similar point 2 years ago, I focused on the diet more, and started to go a little old school with training by hitting body weight stuff, pushups, pull ups my weight went down, strength went up, moving your weight is sort of an incentive to dropping the weight. Plus you really don't realize how much power the pushup and pull up really build into your frame. Grip, forearm, chest, arms core. I am a huge fan of combining traditional body-weight training with weight training. If you shoot for 1-2g protein per pound of your goal weight, with about 1-1.5g carbs per the same and about 1g of fat per 5-6pounds of weight, you will be able to build some muscle, or keep some muscle ( calorie dependent) and drop some body fat.

Now there are a few cats here that really know diet better then I do, if they chime in listen to them ( Guido and Genetic freak specifically). I have a different take on the whole thing, because I really don't train like a bodybuilder, I use a hybrid model of training that focuses more on over all endurance ( I come from a Military background specifically but I am not a small dude, 6'3' 225lbs 7% bodyfat % as it stands now ) So I know my way around, the gym, and the PEDs been doing this for a good long while. If you are still dead set on running a few cycles, or even just a follow up cycle to this one after the pct, that will polish you up and drop some of the weight off of you the cats here will oblige. First things first though, get through this cycle, run your PCT.

As for the clomid yeah use the clomid with the nolva. The sticky on the first cycle has info on proper PCT. The Caber is extraneous, but if you want it on hand no harm no foul, I recently was a firm believer of this as well, but after a nice long discussion and some research with Genetic Freak on this forum, I cam to the conclusion that it is better left unused. Excessive polypharmacy just leads to more side effects and ones that tend to be more severe.
 
Novice74 said:
Thank you for your advice, i will pick up some clomid. Would you combine the Clomid and the Nolva for my PCT or just the Clomid? It states that the Tren converts to Trenbolone rather than Dienolone. I was under the impression that estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione (Tren) converted to Tren not Dien is that not the case? I will read the article on Cabergoline, i thought its always best to have the Caber on hand just in case but i wont use it if its not needed.

I dont think the blood sugar is diet related unless your saying i needed to up my Carb intake, these Hypoglecemic attacks occur randomly, i have read elsewhere that Tren can cause issues with blood sugar control. Are you saying that if your 12% body fat or more then you shouldn't be running AAS cycle? Doesnt it depend on your goals? Many of these power lifters dont look like 12% body fat but im sure they have definitely run a cycle or 2. In my case i have a great foundation, i have a good physique it needs polishing. Thats why i chose epi and tren, im not really after Size, im not one of these athletes who want to get as big as they can, im probably as big as i want to be, im just looking to add a bit more strength and definition to my physique.

Forgot to add my Blood Pressure reading it usually between 95/50 to about 115/75 depending on what time of day i take the reading but 1st thing in the morning is the lower of the readings
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Regarding comments on your body fat at 12%, it generally regarded to keep BF below about 10% in ideal situations when on cycle this is because the aromatase enzyme that converts testosterone to estrogen is found largely within adipose (fat) tissue.
When on potentially harsher compounds like Tren (which your not) estrogen can be a huge issue with some people and must me managed as Tren increases certain sensitivity's for Estrogen receptors, this has been suggested to be responsible for nipple sensitivity and lactation (some blame gyno on Tren but there is a strong case to suggest other factors may be responsible)..!!
Although of note: in your case there is no testosterone, and the Epi being a DHT derivative is non-aromatizing and non-progestagenic in nature.
I have strong views regarding the unnecessary use of Dopamine receptor agonists like Caber..

Epi 40/40/50/50/60/60
Tren pro hormone(converts to tren) 60/60/60/70/70/80

I might be inclined to taper down your dose rather than dropping cold turkey when high.. This may negate the need for PCT, if you had used Testosterone with other well known AAS we might be able to better advise on cycle and PCT protocol...
 
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Info on your Pro-hormone Estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione
Estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione is a powerful pro-steroid chemically similar to the anabolic agent Trenbolone.
Tren is a popular over-the-counter anabolic steroid/pro-hormone. Tren as a nomenclature can be confusing, as there are four different compounds commonly referred to as Tren:
17b-methoxy-trenbolone
13-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-2,5(10)-diene-17-one
estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione
19-Norandrosta4,9diene-3,17dione

Tren is a very strong non-methylated compound and can negatively impact blood pressure, lipid values, cholesterol levels and will put strain on the endocrine system. One downside of Tren is the potential of progestin induced gyno or flare ups of existing gyno.

When in the body, estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione completes the conversion to Trenbolone. Trenbolone is a potent anabolic steroid, which binds to specific receptors present in reproductive tissue, muscle and fat. Trenbolone reduces nitrogen excretion from tissue breakdown (anti-catabolic). The ratio of anabolic (muscle building) effects to androgenic (virilizing) effects is a common rating of anabolic steroids. Trenbolone has a high anabolic ratio. The anabolic ratio of Testosterone is 100, but the Trenbolone's ratio is 500.
Estra-4,9,11-triene-3,17-dione (Trenavar, Trendione) was released in late 2011 by PHF/IBE and is represented as a true prohormone to Trenbolone, differing only by a ketone at the 17 position. Similar to other 17-one prohormones, this ketone is the target of 17b-HSD1, hydrogenating the compound to yield active Trenbolone.

Information cited in the write-up argues that this compound is orally bioavailable. Tren is known to have a high affinity for the androgen receptor and also functions as a glucocorticoid receptor antagonist. This is powerful stuff.

More Info:
Function:

This is a prohormone to the veterinary drug and black-market bodybuilding steroid trenbolone. Unlike previous "tren" prohormones, this one actually converts in the body to trenbolone. Previous "tren" PHs converted to the structurally similar but markedly weaker steroid dienolone.

Structure:

This prohormone has the same three conjugated double bonds as trenbolone, and differs from it only in that this hormone has a 17-ketone, where trenbolone has a 17b-hydroxy function. In the body this ketone will be readily hydrolysed by 17b-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase type 5 (17b-HSD5) into the active form, trenbolone.

Effects:

Conversion to trenbolone should be high, so effects should be identical to the injectable form with the exception of the famed "tren cough". Whatever the explanation for "tren cough" (and many have been suggested), since it's a reaction to the sudden parenteral introduction of some compound directly into the body, it's highly unlikely that any orally administered compound will have the same effect.

Trenbolone is one of the strongest injectable steroids on the market, so effects experienced from Trenavar can be expected to be largely the same: huge strength and size increases, accelerated fat loss, and enhanced vascularity.

Side Effects:

Blood pressure is likely to be dose-dependently elevated to a significant degree, cholesterol levels and liver function markers are likely to be adversely affected, though to what extent remains to be seen. Commonly reported trenbolone sides include night-sweats, mood swings, androgenic hair loss and/or growth, temporary loss of libido, as well as the suppression of endogenous testosterone production. It would be sensible to assume that these may also result from use of Trenavar.

Metabolism and Bioavailability:

The anabolic effects of trenbolone are due in part to the enhanced androgen receptor binding that the conjugated double bond system causes [1], and also because trenbolone is an antagonist of the glucocorticoid receptor [2]. The double bonds extending up the backbone of the steroid flattens the steroid considerably, which makes it an excellent fit for the androgen receptor. It also makes the molecule much more flexible, and therefore less receptor-specific [3]. Trenbolone is incapable of being affected by 5a-reductase, 5b-reductase, or aromatase. But will it work orally?

The first place to turn to for information on steroids is the seminal 1969 work Androgens and Anabolic Agents by Julius Vida. Unfortunately this compound isn't among the 666 compounds discussed there, and there's a shortage of information on trenbolone by oral adminstration. I was fortunate enough to find a study which compared the anabolic effects of oral and subcutaneous application of trenbolone in rats [4], and the results were frankly startling. They found that to have a comparable anabolic effect, trenbolone needed to be administered orally at 100 times the dosage as when administered by subcutaneous injection (see graph). Sounds pretty bad for a tren PH then, right? Well, the good news is we're not rats.


Trenbolone is metabolised differently in different species - in rats, around 40% is excreted as a dione form, as well as several metabolites hydroxylated in various
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20381511 This article deals specifically with : Comparative in vitro metabolism of the 'designer' steroid estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione between the equine, canine and human: identification of target metabolites for use in sports doping control.



All of this info was gathered from other sited obviously, largely from Prohormonedb.com as well as a few other sources, though I site directly from two separate articles from prohormonedb. I will drag some more up on it, but I know these ph/ds claim a bunch of shit, or make claims to the effects of its final conversion in a multi-step conversion process that may result in the target hormone being metabolized but at a rate that frankly is negligible at best n effect., This however dose not mean that the compound or any of the other metabolites thereof are not in them selves active.
 
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