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The sad state of PD

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So... scanning through the first few pages of PD I encountered the following threads:

10 x I'm an idiot and I overdosed
9 x how do I get high on cough medicine?
6 x I'm going to take all the drugs I own in one session/day/night/weekend, what order shall I take them in?
5 x how do I hide my drug use from my parents?
5 x what should I take?
3 x what did I take?
2 x dirty acid debate

Call me cynical but PD can and should be so much more than it is.
 
So... scanning through the first few pages of PD I encountered the following threads:

10 x I'm an idiot and I overdosed
9 x how do I get high on cough medicine?
6 x I'm going to take all the drugs I own in one session/day/night/weekend, what order shall I take them in?
5 x how do I hide my drug use from my parents?
5 x what should I take?
3 x what did I take?
2 x dirty acid debate

Call me cynical but PD can and should be so much more than it is.

I agree completely. PD is not the same as what it once was. I find it strange how some questions get 10 answers within the first day, and other questions, like my thread on extracting B' Caapi with a percolator(http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/701805-Herbal-Percolator-extraction-questions-B-Caapi) get shunted down the page in no time. The general quality of the answers is usually brilliant though.
 
It just seems to me that the psychedelic experience is so fascinating. It raises questions about the very nature of consciousness, the role of religion and worship in human evolution, neurology, personal development, philosophical arguments around perception, time, free will, etc.

The fact that this forum is mainly a place to tell 14 year old kids that it wouldn't be a good idea to drop acid while their parents nip down to the shops is a great shame.
 
The OD's often occur after the OP has already asked for advice but ignores it and OD's anyway!!! Darwinism at it's finest. The I got a crap load of stuff how should I take them should read: I got a crap load of stuff when should I call 911 before or after I eat it all? Darwin your a champion. Unless you have dumb ass parents they know like mine finding me with an ounce of chopped up weed and giving me a blow Tyson would cringe at and lifting me bodily some 3 meters from sitting. The rest are pretty standard dumb ass kids who believe whatever their mate/dealer tell them, after all those guys are the experts. LMAOWPIMP
 
The fact that this forum is mainly a place to tell 14 year old kids that it wouldn't be a good idea to drop acid while their parents nip down to the shops is a great shame.



The OD's often occur after the OP has already asked for advice but ignores it and OD's anyway!!!

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The rest are pretty standard dumb ass kids who believe whatever their mate/dealer tell them, after all those guys are the experts. LMAOWPIMP


Is it time for a revolution? A few more of if your thread can be answered "here" it will be moved "here"?

Don't know how many pages you went through to gather that table (tbh don't know how much leniency you gave (I don't mean that in a bad way to you, supporting the argument) but there is a lot there that pretty much could be really answered in 3-4 threads.

General quality overall would look pristine, the thoughts that pass through this part of BL are the most wind-warping/astronomically broad I'm struggling to think of adjectives here... you all know what I mean though! Incredible thoughts and experiences... I don't post much in PD because the amount of times I just read a thread and go "mmmm that was compelling" reading this stuff is just really out of this world.
 
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So... scanning through the first few pages of PD I encountered the following threads:

10 x I'm an idiot and I overdosed
9 x how do I get high on cough medicine?
6 x I'm going to take all the drugs I own in one session/day/night/weekend, what order shall I take them in?
5 x how do I hide my drug use from my parents?
5 x what should I take?
3 x what did I take?
2 x dirty acid debate

Call me cynical but PD can and should be so much more than it is.

None of this is a reflection of PD but rather it's a perfect indicator of the current state of humanity. Obviously, this is a harm reduction site and this world is overwhelmingly populated by idiots who are raising bigger idiots. So inevitably as stupid people make stupid decisions regarding altering their consciousness they will have stupid questions.
If you don't want to put up with this, I see no alternative but to start an exclusive club for people of your caliber. I may not have registered here at BL until recently but I have been reading threads here at PD for quite some time and all of these "lame" threads that you are complaining about are really just the result of people attempting to begin their psychedelic journey and are asking for advice. I only registered here because I've benefited immensely from the wisdom of many BL's at PD and wanted to return the favour and to ask questions myself.
I really feel (personally) that if embark on the lifelong path of psychedelic exploration then I have a responsibility to younger generations of potential psychonauts. It's worth putting up with 100 insanely stupid posts if it means giving guidance to one worthy explorer.
 
A brief preface, though I disagree with many of the above comments I am not attacking any individual. I simply aim to add my contrasting opinion. I am actually glad you all care enough to be concerned.

I started off completely ignorant in my exploration of the human body. I have smoked, eaten, and snorted all manner of crude extracts and sub-par products. Many of the redundant and/or simple questions you all reference I have once had. I have also intentionally as well as acidently, ignored advice, overdosed, and otherwise made many ignorant decisions. Though psychedelics bare risk I favour them for their benign nature in regards to irreversible physical damage because of these past experiences. I have been guilty of being a novice in the ways the posters you all reference are and in some ways still am. I can't maintain integrity in my identity if I condemn others for being guilty of what I am also guilty of sometimes.

Also, I believe condemning people for drug use we may disagree with is an ineffective and dangerous deterrent. It's the same failed logic of criminalizing drugs. Society has proven punishing people for drug does not stop them from using drugs. In the same way suppressing access to harm reduction information about socially unacceptable behaviour does not act as an effective deterrent. If someone wants to behave in a way I disagree with I think they should have access to non-condescending honest information about their behaviour even if they chose to ignore the information.


IT'S NATURAL FOR PEOPLE TO EXPERIMENT WITH AND EXPLORE THEIR BODIES AND MINDS. THE BEST WE CAN DO IS OFFER COMPASSIONATE HONEST INFORMATION ON HOW TO DO THIS AS SAFELY AS POSSIBLE. IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER EVERY PERSON STARTS COMPLETELY IGNORANT.

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http://www.shulginresearch.org
http://www.freeleonardpickard.org
http://www.maps.org
http://www.erowid.org
 
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^ I think you might have misunderstood the subtext. I actively promote exploration of the body and mind. I also have zero problem with newbies. Everyone has to start their journey somewhere.

I would love to see this forum as a place where mature conversation about psychedelics takes place and within that framework, new adventurers are welcomed and included. I would like to see this as a place where people of all ages can mingle and share knowledge. As it is though, the vast majority of visitors over the age of 20 are probably driven away by the puerile stuff to be found here.

Obviously I'm generalising here. There are people who take their time to provide well researched, knowledgable commentary (Silopsis for example) but I really wonder how many people there are here in the 40+ age group.
 
None of this is a reflection of PD but rather it's a perfect indicator of the current state of humanity.

Or rather:

A) This is partly a reflection of a world where many compounds are illegal, and powerful psychedelics are often sold by cash-hungry dealers for the explicit purpose of "getting high". There is no QC or purity guarantee on the source material. This also goes for mail order "research chemicals". Hence the "what did I take", "dirty acid" threads. To a lesser extent legal issues influence the "cough medicine" threads (DXM has worth IMHO but access means most won't be getting pure powder, the optimal way to do it)...

B) When you are younger, there is a tendency to *always* be a bit more reckless, sometimes in a stupid manner. (Hence the "OD", "hide from my parents" threads.) Everyone is young once. There is (my opinion) a better, more mature way to approach many psychedelics, and I think it's always good to guide those using them recklessly towards this path. (Leave the wild reckless fun towards other compound classes that are more suited for that. :) )

C) We unfortunately live in a society that lumps psychedelics with "illegal, evil drug use". Most of society to be honest is not even *vaguely* aware about what any medications -- whether it's an illegal molecule or something the doctor gives you -- does. Hence the many threads on what to take, what order to take, etc.

This is a pity. Psychedelics can be powerful tools. MAPS is trying to prove that (psychedelics for specific therapy) and I also think that, were it not for the law, it would be possible to use psychedelics in a more Westernized shamanic type approach (that is, psychedelics for self-help, reflection, self-improvement, etc.) In other words, push the benefits of "guided" / trip-sit experiences. The biggest issue with all these newbie threads is that it merely would reinforce to the average person the impression of psychedelics as nothing more than reckless hedonism. (To be honest that's too often how psychedelics are sold today.)
 
People come for advice and we give it. If someone asks a novice question they will get good answers. I'm sure asking here will get more accurate information than asking their school buddies or their dealer. If that advice saves even one life but inconveniences you because you need to scroll down the page to find the threads you're interested in, too bad for you. More threads/traffic just means more people are wanting to learn something.

The bottom line is that if an a ignorant person comes here and asks a basic question, they are at least taking as step in the right direction by trying to learn. As for the people who ask for advice and go against it, they waste our time & learn things the hard way.
 
PD has been going down hill for years guys. Let's not perpetuate what we already know to be true and take this forum seriously, and educate ourselves through independent research before a new thread is created.
This forum used to be the forefront of BL, it's hardy better than DC or Cannabis Discussion now.
 
It's not PD, it's Bluelight as an entirety.


The sad truth is these forums are always doomed to repeat themselves. Everyone asks the same questions but thinks they are so special that all the other answers don't apply to them.. In the end though, this is probably what is doing the most good. It may not be very interesting to read for us more advanced users and it can certainly be tiring to deal with the same problems every day, but the whole purpose of Bluelight is to help those who DON'T know the answers.. not for us drug nerds to geek out over the newest RCs.



At least this isn't ED where half the users constantly praise the drug and the other half constantly demonize it.
 
The people most motivated to make threads about psychedelic drugs are naturally mostly those who know little about them. That's fine, since there's nothing wrong with ignorance as long as people are asking questions in order to no longer be ignorant, but it does mean there's a lot of basic level regurgitation of knowledge to wade through to find more sophisticated discussions.

There was an attempt to create an invite only forum called The Esoteric Pharmacology Project. It was a forum consisting of members who had produced thoughtful posts and who seemed interested in advancing online discussions beyond the basics (it was not exclusive only to those with a high degree of technical knowledge). It never got off the ground because it never reached the critical mass of posters required to really get it rolling. This wasn't because there aren't enough people out there to make such a forum work so much as it was because most people like that have difficulty finding discussions they're interested in, and so they rarely post or give up, resulting in a low profile that makes them difficult to find and invite. I think you'd need to get a bunch of regulars together from every forum online worldwide to invite everyone they could think of who fits the bill, and then have a "grand opening" date when all of them were reminded to be online at roughly the same time to make their introduction to the forum dynamic enough to sustain interest. But that's a tall order.

The problem you're alluding to afflicts all of bluelight, and most public online forums, in part because of issues like I've just discussed. Bluelight gets millions of unique visitors (even factoring out the over 2,061,058 views that the Free HD Streaming Porn? thread in Film and Television has brought here via search engines), and so given how mainstream designer drugs have become it's amazing how few lurkers actually become active on the planet's largest drug discussion forum. The Breaking Bad thread, with over 128,000 views, is another example of this.
 
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the quality of this forum has been inversely proportional to the popularity of the so-called "RC market" imho. back in '06-'08 it was just a small group of particularly dedicated people, the signal to noise ratio was much higher. also back then we still had real experts posting, like f&b. most of them have stopped posting in part because they realized that anything pharmacologically interesting they posted ended up quickly being hijacked and exploited by greedy RC vendors.
 
Maybe one of the problems I'm frustrated by is the change in focus of ADD. Now it concentrates on neuroscience and pharmacology, there's nowhere to go for someone who isn't accomplished in this area but still wants intelligent discussion about serious topics.
 
Maybe one of the problems I'm frustrated by is the change in focus of ADD. Now it concentrates on neuroscience and pharmacology, there's nowhere to go for someone who isn't accomplished in this area but still wants intelligent discussion about serious topics.
I was actually just about to post that it seems to be a structural issue with BL itself since ADD became Nueroscience and Pharmacology. This could be fixed by adding an advanced subforum to PD or something like that.
 
well it's a harm reduction forum, not a lofty discussion forum, so it makes sense that it's primary focus has ended up being giving advice to kids who are doing stupid things with drugs
 
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