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Benefits cap of £500 a week rolls out across Britain

About 40,000 households will be affected initially
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A cap on the total amount of benefits that people aged 16 to 64 can receive has begun rolling out across England, Scotland and Wales.

Couples and lone parents will now not receive more than £500 a week, while a £350 limit applies to single people.

The cap is part of the government's overhaul of the benefits system, the biggest since the 1940s.

Key payments including jobseeker's allowance and child and housing benefit count towards the cap.

Changes to the benefit system have been spearheaded by Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith, who argues that too many people are trapped on benefits.

Critics say the cap failed to tackle underlying issues, such as the cost of housing and regional differences.

The benefits cap will be completely implemented by 30 September.

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The cap, not yet law in Northern Ireland, is said to reflect the average working household income.

It has already been implemented in four London boroughs - Haringey, Enfield, Croydon and Bromley - since April.

The benefits cap applies to people getting jobseeker's allowance, child benefit, child tax credits, housing benefits and other key support from the government.

There is no cap on people who receive Disability Living Allowance or its successor, the Personal Independence Payment, as well some other benefits, such as industrial injuries benefit or a war widow or widower's pension.

"The benefit cap returns fairness to the benefits systems," Mr Duncan Smith said. "It ensures the taxpayer can have trust in the welfare system and it stops sky-high claims that make it impossible for people to move into work.

"The limit of £500 a week ensures no-one claims more in benefits than the average household and there is a clear reason for people to get a job - as those eligible for Working Tax Credit are exempt."

His department says about £90bn was paid out in benefit payments to people of working age and their families in 2009-10. It hopes the cap will save about £110m a year.
 
Is it possible to ask to change your signing on time, say if it clashes with a mental health clinic appointment, (it genuinely does) and also if it clashes with a college opening day (it also does but i think id be prudent not to mention the 2nd bit) ?

It is possible to get them to change your signing on time but beware as they have a habit of telling you 'yes, that's fine' and next thing you know you are facing a sanction even though they had told you it would be ok.
 
omg the more i hear baout these cunts the worse it gets. I'm bwginning to undsertsnd people walking into offices with submachine guns now.

fuckin doctors are just as bad, they wont see you without a phone consulation first, then they wont give you a presciption over the phone cos they dont know you. The receceptionist kjept saying "not necessarily" i kept saying that is what happened to me lat time. I kept saying it till iwas blue in the face "nbot neccearily" wtf does that mean. Rage. This stressfull tooing and froing goes on for about 3 weeks and then you fianlly get to see a dr in person.

you have to start planning all this abiout 6 weeks ahead or yiur gonna be high and dry with no anti deps. Appalling practice they run there.
absolutely absurd systems,. who the fuck dreams up these 'eificeiency svings'. effieciency savings, my arse.

btw how can ppl reckon thay cn telkl when im writing under the influence of benzos, is is the fiormatting and typos or the content.

If youur judging me on the contentr then yiour barking up the wrong tree cos i feel those feelings whether benzoed or not.
 
It's the typing. Definitely not the 'contentr' (sic). ;)

On a less jocular note, best of luck in your endeavours to find a new GP, and fingers crossed you aren't left high and dry.
 
I've got a new adviser now who is quite friendly & helpful but the one I saw before her was a fucking witch.
She was pissed off cos I told her I won't tick the box on the Universal Jobmatch website so she couldn't check up on my job search on there.
Then she said she couldn't read my written job search sheet as she's dyslexic and at the end of the interview she told I should go home and take some more valium.
 
@ MDB: Formatting and typos are pretty much consistently there. lots of them, way more than the average I think. Not that that matters to content, or being able to read or understand your posts (altho sometimes it does affect that), but they're there in spades.

Highlighting them in the quote so you can see them more easily. Only doing so because you asked tho, genuinely wouldn't have pointed it out if you hadn't queried. We all post when off our tits and under the influence, so I recon we can all identify on this score <3

omg the more i hear baout these cunts the worse it gets. I'm bwginning to undsertsnd people walking into offices with submachine guns now.

fuckin doctors are just as bad, they wont see you without a phone consulation first, then they wont give you a presciption over the phone cos they dont know you. The receceptionist kjept saying "not necessarily" i kept saying that is what happened to me lat time. I kept saying it till iwas blue in the face "nbot neccearily" wtf does that mean. Rage. This stressfull tooing and froing goes on for about 3 weeks and then you fianlly get to see a dr in person.

you have to start planning all this abiout 6 weeks ahead or yiur gonna be high and dry with no anti deps. Appalling practice they run there.
absolutely absurd systems,. who the fuck dreams up these 'eificeiency svings'. effieciency savings, my arse.

btw how can ppl reckon thay cn telkl when im writing under the influence of benzos, is is the fiormatting and typos or the content.

If youur judging me on the contentr then yiour barking up the wrong tree cos i feel those feelings whether benzoed or not.

[edit] If you want me to delete the above quote of yours pls just say so btw, not trying to have a dig or get at you in any way.
 
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Spade claimed to be drug free but also decided that booze 'n' blooze are not drugs which may explain a thing or two ;)

Nob Centre appear to have stopped chasing me up to do stupid bloody courses thank fuck. I went to only one - a first aid course cos thought that could actually come in handy and not done one since school. My how wrong it's possible to be. It appeared to be aimed at retards. Actual retards. Just involved being told a (often totally spurious) first aid factoid, then copying it down off the projector, then writing it on a different piece of paper, then being asked what we'd just written down, then taking a short test which involved writing it down on a different piece of paper, then being asked about it again. Then on to the next (often highly spurious) first aid factoid. For eight bastard hours in a tiny, unventilated, sweatbox of a room. Mind-numbing doesn't come close. Plus having to fuck about on the floor playing doctors and nurses doing recovery position, CPR and stuff totally fukked my back - could barely walk for a week afterwards. Was not impressed to say the least.

Disability Advisor woman cancelled my appointment for several weeks afterwards and not heard from her for a couple months or more now. Nowt to do with me. Suspect she may have gone along to see one of the courses she pushed people into doing so she could tick a "Doing Something" box and entered some kinda catatonic state. There are few things about the benefits system I detest more than when some government or other decides it has to Do Something about it despite there being nothing much to do to improve the situation (certainly not anything they'd dare to do anyway) so just ends up shuffling people from one benefit to another, sending people off for yet more re-assessments to try to catch folk out (only to have it all overturned on appeal cos it's so blatantly wrong) or - the old classic - forcing people to do utterly fukkin pointless courses which help nobody, achieve nothing other than annoying everybody involved, and costing more money that if they just stuck to paying benefits and offering actual help.
 
Hi Shambles, hope u well mate?
I read the other day that more people would have found a job if left to their own devices than if they are forced onto government work programme schemes.
The companies that run these courses and like the first aid one you done exist only to make money from the taxpayer and offer very poor value for money.
It's just one big scam.
 
Heya, Max. Nice to see you back :)

And yes, the companies that run such courses are a complete scam. Lowest common denominator barely covers it. The kinda stuff you're taught is at primary school level at best and even then not as advanced cos half the info is just plain wrong. Was amused (and somewhat surprised) to discover that you are supposed to use a mouth shield (or fashion one from a plastic bag or summat if you don't happen to carry such items routinely) if required to do mouth to mouth (which I don't think is even recommended at all these days?) because the not-fully-alive person may have cold sores and you can catch hepatitis from them. This was rammed home quite forcefully for some utterly inexplicable reason.

It really is purely to tick a box to say you are Doing Something. Think you also get knocked off the figures cos technically you are in training or summat probably. The fact that what you are doing achieves absolutely nothing and costs the taxpayer far more than I suspect they'd be happy to pay for is kinda irrelevant. They're very demoralising the courses they send you on. I honestly can't see how they could help anybody with anything. Can quite believe people would get on far better (or certainly no worse) if left to it with actual help and support available (for practical stuff like writing CVs, brushing up on interview technique, getting a qualification or whatever it is somebody may need some help with) on request.

The bit that really irked me was that I'm not even classed as unemployed, I'm classed as sick/disabled - I don't have to look for work. I may want to do a course to pass a bit of time and maybe learn summat but being pushed into it just to tick boxes and massage figures rubs me up completely the wrong way.
 
FUCK SANCTIONS. Most of them are fucking illegal. Someone shoot IDS please.​

Iain Duncan Smith's second epiphany: from compassion to brutality
I've seen his benefit sanctions inflict misery on places like Easterhouse, where poverty made him weep a decade ago​

In Easterhouse this walk has become a Via Dolorosa, a path trod regularly by visiting journalists and TV crews seeking the sacred spot where Iain Duncan Smith (nearly) wept in epiphany a decade ago. It sickens the locals, groaning when yet another visitor asks the way. The picturesque boarded-up Glasgow tenement, where Duncan Smith was photographed looking stricken, was already condemned, and long ago replaced under Labour's Decent Homes programme. But life behind front doors took a desperate turn for the worse, largely due to the man who underwent a Damascene conversion here – only to undergo a reverse conversion later.

Bob Holman, the 76-year-old lifelong community organiser who founded Fare – a celebrated community centre staffed mainly by unemployed volunteers – was touched by Duncan Smith's conversion: "I thought him a decent man" – perhaps misled into trusting a fellow Christian.

Tim Montgomerie, founder of ConservativeHome and now the Times comment editor, arranged that visit as Duncan Smith's adviser. When Holman asked why, he was told: "We're interested in compassionate Conservatism." Later Holman was asked to speak on poverty at the Conservative party conference. In return Holman invited IDS to speak at Labour's 2005 conference, where the ex-Tory leader called Labour's poverty measure inadequate, saying: "Everyone should have enough money to live properly in their community."

What happened? "He wept at the plight of the poor, yet now hands out punishments that must bring tears to their eyes," Holman says. Duncan Smith once called Holman "a living saint", and indeed he has an air of gentle naivety, not bitter but disappointed – convinced that he was not duped, but that IDS was seduced by power.

Now Holman is outraged at the suffering he sees as deliberately inflicted by his erstwhile friend. This week emerged the long-delayed figures for people "sanctioned", their benefits withdrawn under a tightened screw. I have visited food banks, Citizens Advice bureaux and social fund offices from Stoke to Leeds: everyone says the same – of the people reduced to penury and starvation, most are those whose benefit is delayed or withdrawn. The 580,000 sanctions between October and June, hailed by the government as ending a "something for nothing culture", removed anyone deemed not trying hard enough to find work.

The numbers vanishing from the unemployment register hugely improves the apparent tally of those finding work. In the last three months the government boasts of 120,000 fewer unemployed claimants, in contrast with the much larger numbers shown in the internationally recognised labour force survey of numbers wanting work. Those in work have undoubtedly risen, but knocking people off the claimant count is a win-win for Duncan Smith, who can pretend that all who have left the register are working, although many are now queueing at food banks.

Holman, Fare and the local Citizens Advice know who is knocked off benefits and why. There is the man with acute psychosis from a background of extreme abuse (for which his stepfather is in prison) who was declared fit for work, found a job he couldn't cope with and was cut off benefit for six months when he dropped out. A 50-year-old was struck off when told to apply for 10 jobs a week online but, barely literate, he couldn't use a computer.

Behind the scenes, Duncan Smith's sanctions cause a special kind of hell for jobcentre staff, mostly decent people. A regular "deep throat" correspondent describes the work: "You park your conscience at the door," he tells me. "Sanctions are applied for anything at all to hit the targets."


Many claimants don't know what's happened until their benefit suddenly stops. Many are semi-literate or have bad English: "It's very easy to hand someone two sheets of A4 and get them to 'agree' to 50 'steps' towards work and then sanction them when they don't even know what a 'step' is. The claim is shut down for two weeks and sanctioned for two weeks, so the person disappears from the figures."

People are often sanctioned for a no-show at appointments they never knew about. If they call to rearrange an appointment, "we don't answer the phones, so that's a bit tricky". A flowchart on the wall shows how to raise a successful sanction.


If advisers often find "good cause" not to sanction the vulnerable, at monthly performance reviews their managers "examine our sanction-raising figures" against an "expectation" of how many should be cut off. A "PIP" (personal improvement plan) for each member of staff detects low sanctioners and "manages them out" of their jobs.

Someone with a disability who is knocked off employment support allowance can reclaim while awaiting an appeal. "But we are explicitly forbidden from telling them that – in black and white in the briefing pack – so these often very ill, quite confused and low-capability people are easy meat."

Here's another perversity in this brutal system: advisers are so busy knocking off easy, vulnerable cases that they have no time to chase up devious criminal gangs and fraudsters who take longer to catch. Meanwhile, out of fear or confusion, and faced with a 55-page online application form, many stop trying to claim, only to have Duncan Smith pretend they must be cheats who have been chased away.

In Easterhouse, as everywhere, the bedroom tax causes mayhem. There are no one-bedroom homes, so £14 or £25 cuts to benefit are widespread among many with spare rooms. Labour has called a full-day debate in the Commons next Tuesday: every Labour MP should give testimony from their constituency, as should all Lib Dem and Tory MPs who see the evidence in their own surgeries. Outside, there will be a lobby of parliament. Rachel Reeves, Labour's shadow work and pensions secretary, is calling on people to join in, details here from campaigner Sue Marsh's blog.

Duncan Smith invents figures, defying even the UK Statistics Authority's rebukes. His Centre for Social Justice churns out reports that blame poverty on the poor and their failure to marry, while all his own policies are in crisis. This week universal credit was blasted by the Commons public accounts committee, while Deloitte is bailing out of his Work Programme. Easterhouse is left asking: what second epiphany led him to cut £23bn from children, the sick and the unemployed, shrinking their incomes by a quarter?
 
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David Cameron is proving what a weak leader he is by not sacking Iain Duncan Smith.
The bloke is totally incompetent and has made a total mess of trying to introduce Universal Credit and wasted millions on useless IT systems and then has the gall to try and pass the blame onto others.
Cunt!
Very interesting read Marmalade.
 
i dont get up early enough to watch jeremy kyle. What time does that unwatchable pile of scum (i mean the presenter) have his show broadcast ? Just so i can be sure to never switch my tv on again when hes on. 10 seconds of it once by accident a few years ago was enough to put me off for ever.

"Sanctions are applied for anything at all to hit the targets."

One of the advisors i had was a cunt, he enjoyed threatening me about sanctions. Forftunately he has gone, and the 2 other people i have to see are much more pleasant, amazingly enough. I must look like such a miserable bastard when i go there, i fuckin hate those places.
 
Where did this thread come from?

Just got back from my signing, been given hardship payments so I won't have to go out 'pon road to get cash thank god :)
Only getting £43 a week though till January 26th so Xmas this year for gifts etc will be a lump of coal for the family & heating will come in the form of burning random stuff I find in the street.

Could be far worse though, still got a roof over my head & just going to wait for my appeal against the loss of my JSA.

MDB - Jezza is 9.25am ITV1, just a load of idiots moaning their the baby's dad is on drugs (yeah a weed habit folks *smirks*) or something equally as bad, makes me think Eugenics is a good idea (NO Joke btw)
 
ah good thats far too ealy for me, though i am trying to get up ealrler in the day, so far without succees. I know youre not joking ive seen a bit of it, that was horrendous enough.

ouch, i thought your sanctions were coming to an end ? I take it you failed to sign on at the right time or something ? I did ONCE, thankfully not again or id have been sanctioned too. They make no allowances for whatever lifestyle problems the claimant may have, not here at precicely 10.30 or w/e stop his benefitys for 13 weeks, wtf, how is the person sposed to survive then ?

Helping people back into work david cameron has the cheeck to call it bwahahahahha what a fuckin tosser, does he really think the public is that stupid ?
 
£43 a week much better than nothing mate, bet you fucking glad about that, at least it allows you to eat.
Xmas is out of the window for me as well mate, will get my son a present and my flatmate and that's about it.
 
MDB - I came off a 4 week one & as I missed 1 job on my universal jobmatch thing I got classed as "not looking for work" & they throw 3 months at you in a blink of a eye. My advice is ANY job you have on your Universal job search, apply for it no matter how shit it may be.

Yeah I know Maxalfie, something is better than nothing. I take solice in small mercy really, I just want to get the ex's daughter a gift & get it mailed off so she gets it in time for Xmas. As long as I can her something One direction related I can sleep easy.
 
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